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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/9/2012 6:59 PM   
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Status: online 		looks like TBM selling some new esm retracts VERSION 3 !!!!! javascript:mox(); who's has the guts, buying them...?

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/9/2012 7:07 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/10/2012 12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got gen II and they are fine on the bench so far. I wonder if they made any updates to them. The mains are all I have set up so far and I am electric, Hacker 60L on an ESM P-39 so should not have the vibration problems. Ideas? PS: Found out from Thomas at VQ Warbirds they are V 2.5. Thomas has great service and you can actually talk to him on the phone, or e-mail. wallace.tharp

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 2:25 PM   
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Status: online 		so all of you V2 owners, let us know if the upgrade actually gives achieving results.!!!!

Or better yet, would you recommend us than the esm v3 retracts?

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 3:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK Guys ,
I have had the V3 F8F retracts in my hands for 2 days now . Thank you TBM for following through on your promises .
At first look there is a big difference in the motor and reductiuon unit . It looks like a brushed motor still ,but it is significantly larger than the other versions .
The reduction unit looks like a planetary drive reduction verses the tiny jack shaft gear reduction previously used (which was a definate weak point).

I have cycled the gear many , many, many ,many ........ times with no signs of failing , binding , overheating etc...

The cycle time of the V3 gears is about 6 seconds which is about half the time of the V2 and about an hour faster than the V1.
The V3 retracts come with an external module/harness which has 2 outputs to gear ,1 input from receiver ,1 battery connection . This may complicate your install a little but is very easily done .
The retro fit is a drop in fit . mounting holes and frame sizes are indentical. The only difference in the unit itself is the size of the motor and I don't see this interfering with a retro fit much.

This is by no means a sales pitch or a guarantee that the V3 retracts will out perform any other but merely my observations . Only time will tell how good these things really are .
My point in writing this is to let people know that there is a V3 and it looks like ESM actually did some redesigning to try to improve their product .


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 4:02 PM   
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OK Guys ,
I have had the V3 F8F retracts in my hands for 2 days now . Thank you TBM for following through on your promises .
At first look there is a big difference in the motor and reductiuon unit . It looks like a brushed motor still ,but it is significantly larger than the other versions .
The reduction unit looks like a planetary drive reduction verses the tiny jack shaft gear reduction previously used (which was a definate weak point).

I have cycled the gear many , many, many ,many ........ times with no signs of failing , binding , overheating etc...

The cycle time of the V3 gears is about 6 seconds which is about half the time of the V2 and about an hour faster than the V1.
The V3 retracts come with an external module/harness which has 2 outputs to gear ,1 input from receiver ,1 battery connection . This may complicate your install a little but is very easily done .
The retro fit is a drop in fit . mounting holes and frame sizes are indentical. The only difference in the unit itself is the size of the motor and I don't see this interfering with a retro fit much.

This is by no means a sales pitch or a guarantee that the V3 retracts will out perform any other but merely my observations . Only time will tell how good these things really are .
My point in writing this is to let people know that there is a V3 and it looks like ESM actually did some redesigning to try to improve their product .



Thanks for the info. We look forward to hearing from you again when you've flown those and they have more than a couple of days cycling in the shop.

It's great to know that they've shortened the cycle time. That also suggests the power is significantly increased.

.......... Hey, are you going to the RC Wingers War Bird FlyIn Oct 20? (Mooresville)

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 4:03 PM   
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Status: online 		@CK1, thanks for your input !
would it be possible?....a great retract system now,  still at a reasonable price ....?hmmmm

who has also this V3 set?

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 6:34 PM   
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I wish I could make it to Mooresville . I have a grand child coming any day and still recovering from back and hip surgeries so traveling is not possible for me at this time. I do hope to get some flight time in a couple weeks to get those retracts exercised in a proper fashion.


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/11/2012 10:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi everyone, sorry for all the confusion thus far with these gear and thank you for your patience! We know it has been frustrating (it is for us too!) but we are positive after going back and forth with ESM we have an excellent product in the version 3's. These V3 gear are fast n' beefy!

If anyone has any stripped out gear please email support@troybuiltmodels.com. The best way to contact us is through email though you may still give us a call.

We have many V3 gears being air shipped from ESM every few weeks until we can get our container in. ESM is working very hard to get us stocked up again but I'm sure you know things have been delayed several times.

Current gear available online: http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/search-for-G-III%20AND%20Retracts - More to be added as they come in!

We urge everyone wanting V3 gear to place your orders or call us to get on the back order list for your specific plane. We will also have upgrade motors/boards for those with the slower V1 gear.

For those curious about the new gear, here are some videos:

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Retrofitting V3 to the older gear:


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 3:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is the rocomendation for Version II? Ae they adequate as is? wallace.tharp

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 1:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The V2 may work for a while, but in my opinion will eventually fail at the most inconvenient moment
The v2 can be upgraded to the V3


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 1:33 PM   
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What is the rocomendation for Version II? Ae they adequate as is? wallace.tharp



CK1 is correct, please email support@troybuiltmodels.com about your Version II retracts. While they may last it's just best to switch them out at this point. However, we may not have your gear in stock, so always contact us before sending them back. We're continuing to get gear in but we would rather you just fly the V2 in the down and locked position rather than wait on ESM! Once we would get the gear in it would be no problem to switch you out.


On the other hand , 2.5 should be fine but as always with your entire plane keep an eye on all components! Make sure your 2.5 rubber bumpers are staying put.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 7:42 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 7:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		@splais Sorry for the frustration, like I said we're in the same boat. We have been hounded ESM this entire time to get on it trust me. They are sending the gear as the make them, we just got 3 more "boxes" of gear in. It would be nice if they stuck to the dates they provided time after time but that has not been the case.

The good news is everyone will be taken care of. The bad news is some will have to wait longer than others. We appreciate everyone's patience with this and promise we will make good on any broken gear as soon as we can.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 7:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't blame TBM. You guys have been more than helpful. It's the overall situation with this chinese stuff, engines, gear, whatever; that they let the buying public work the bugs out and don't fix anything until the uproar gets out of hand.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 8:35 PM   
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I don't blame TBM. You guys have been more than helpful. It's the overall situation with this chinese stuff, engines, gear, whatever; that they let the buying public work the bugs out and don't fix anything until the uproar gets out of hand.


Thank you. The Chinese are reactive when it comes to things. They think that us shipping back thousands of dollars of product + them paying for shipping + losing trust with their customers is better than thoroughly testing their product. It doesn't make sense to me either.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 8:59 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/12/2012 9:07 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/13/2012 9:47 AM   
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Or do we have to stick to the lite weight foam types?

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/15/2012 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tony, is there a cost to me for the upgrade from V2 to V3 for my P-39? I think Thomas at VQ Warbirds sold me the V2 when the V3was available, or just about to be available? Sincerely, wallace.tharp

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/15/2012 1:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		@BOLTMAN - There should be no problem with that. If you check out the quick running video on these you can see they're very fast/robust.

@wallace.tharp - It depends if you have 2, or 2.5. Please email support@troybuiltmodels.com to see about options either way.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/15/2012 11:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tone, thanks for the reply and keeping on top of this. I saw no writing or directions on the box for my ESM P-39 gear. Is there writing on the control box or somewhere to indicate if it's V2 or V2.5? And again, "what is the cost to me?" Thanks. wallace.tharp

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/16/2012 2:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		wallace.tharp - Looking at your order through VQ you should have the 2.5 gear. These gear should be fine as long as the rubber bumpers stay on. If they do happen to fail please email Tomas. You should also be able to return them then purchase the V3 through Tomas if you haven't used them though I do not know his policies so check with him. The V3 gear is the same price as the 2.5.

If you need help hooking them up please shoot Tomas or us at TBM a call/email: support@troybuiltmodels.com

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/16/2012 4:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Tone, any idea when the V3s for the models with rotating units will be available?

Also, is there a plan to sell just the retracts units without the struts or wheels? I have a few models from CMP that I would like to use the ESM gear on but I already have struts and wheels that are the proper length.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/16/2012 5:01 PM   
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