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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/21/2013 1:41 AM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/21/2013 3:36 AM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/22/2013 10:17 AM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/22/2013 1:25 PM   
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Tone, I mentioned this awile ago that I have the v2 set for the DO-335. I believe you said that they could be upgraded to v3 by switching the actuators and then using a control board. What would be the cost to do this? Or...what would be the cost to buy a set of the do-335 gear, but without the oleos?


The upgrade kits from ESM are still in and I'm not holding my breath waiting for them unfortunately. However, please email support@troybuiltmodels.com and we will get you switched out to V3 if you are still on V2!

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/31/2013 12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi I have just bought some esm retracts for a do-335 how do I know if I have v2 or v3 ?

By the way I am fitting them in a P-47 96" from cy models Thanks


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/31/2013 1:02 PM   
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got my V3 (bearcat f8f)  today!
wil posted a youtube movie soon....


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 1/31/2013 2:46 PM   
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Hi I have just bought some esm retracts for a do-335 how do I know if I have v2 or v3 ?

By the way I am fitting them in a P-47 96'' from cy models Thanks



Please check my attachment for a visual difference. If you ordered from us, we can look up your order as well, give us a call or shoot us an email!

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/3/2013 11:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		 dammm,....
i have connected the retracts and everything works fine BUT.......
it seems that the retracts ard made for a 80° angle, more for a fw-190......(the lenght of the struts are o.k., 238mm)

when i look at the pictures of a esm f8f, it seems the come out at a 90°, can anyone onfirme that please?

now i have to send them back to the European dealer,.......dammmmm


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/3/2013 8:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		juweeltje ,
My gear are close to 85 degrees ,but with the angle of the gear mounting rails in the wing they come down at close to 90 degrees perpendicular to the ground.


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/3/2013 8:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Ck1, even with the dihedral off tbe wing it doesn't look good....
TMB has a youtube movie off the airretracts for the f8f, and there you can see they go nicly to 90° as it should be on the bearcat.
also if you put the fixed landing that comes with the kit, you can se that they are  on 90° with the wing.
Please Ck1, take a picture off it so that everyone can see the situation....

to Tone Price, please give me your opinion about the f8f retracts.Are those that tmb is selling also at 80° like my retailer here in Europe? iff so, why 80 and not 90....? i can't understand it....



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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 7:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		www.youtube.com/watch this is the movie what I was talking about....you can see, the pneumatic's are 90° !

also the electric version's 2 www.youtube.com/watch    90° !

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 3:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		After watching the first vid, I'm not sure where you get the 90deg?  They don't mention it, and in the one shot where he is showing the toe in adjustment screw, the leg looks a little off of 90degrees to me.  

Have you ever just asked the manufacture what they are?
I would not assume that just because they look close to 90 degree that they are.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 6:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		 @glazier,
it cleary looks 90 to me, take a good look at the v2 elec versions movie......

i have just said to the retailer that the don't look good on the plane when they are less than 90...
he has looked for a replacement ,but dide't find 90 ones....
thats why i sould liks to hear from Tone Price at tmb, if the f8f that they are selling  are 90 or less....



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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 7:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		juweeltje, I just looked at the last set we have in stock and they appear to be 90 degrees. In our listing for these, they are listed as an 85 though the one we have in stock is 90.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 7:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		 thanks Tone for your reaction
the retrailer wil have a new order comming in, end march....than he will have a look for 90 ones.....


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/4/2013 10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		No problem, we just must have had them in the incorrect spot for our listing since all the videos and the one in stock is 90!

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 10:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		hi guys…
 
i got news from my European retrailer…
he has taken the ,…...hmmmm how would i name it….; 90°small blocs 
out off a V2 and has put it in the v3 versions.




So the retracts come now nicely to 90° he told me by mail.
He will send me them back, so i'm looking forward to see them…
 
now, i have e jeti maxbec 2, whit 2 x A123 packs, a extra battery-pack for the ignition DLE35Ra….So already 3 battery-packs in the plane.
Since i have enough battery power, i don't like to use a separate pack for the retracts…
 
so can i just cut of the separate + and - form the black distributor en solder them on the wire that go's to the receiver, because the wire that go's to the receiver is now only for the signal use….
 
a bit difficult for me to explain (english is not my mother tongue) , i hope you guys understand me …..?
 


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 1:37 PM   
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hi guys…
 
i got news from my European retrailer…
he has taken the ,…...hmmmm how would i name it….; 90°small blocs 
out off a V2 and has put it in the v3 versions.





Did he say he has enough of the old trunions to retrofit the new V3s? Is there an additional charge?

Does he know if the mfg is going to update the V3s with the V2 design trunion?


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 5:02 PM   
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no, i bought the complete new v3, but since the only came out for a 82° i have send them back, so he  has searched for a  solution and came with the idea to use the parts of a V2, so no charge for me of course.... 
i don't expect he has a lot of parts from v2 and i have no idea iff esm will make them 90° as they should be!



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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 6:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		juweeltje, which distributor are your getting your retracts from? I don't believe we have the same problem with ours coming in the wrong degrees.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 9:14 PM   
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can anyone answer to my question....:

now, i have e jeti maxbec 2, whit 2 x A123 packs, a extra battery-pack for the ignition DLE35Ra….So already 3 battery-packs in the plane.
Since i have enough battery power, i don't like to use a separate pack for the retracts…
 
so can i just cut of the separate + and - form the black distributor en solder them on the wire that go's to the receiver, because the wire that go's to the receiver is now only for the signal use….
 
a bit difficult for me to explain (english is not my mother tongue) , i hope you guys understand me …..? 

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 9:24 PM   
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Tone, you got PM... 

can anyone answer to my question....:

now, i have e jeti maxbec 2, whit 2 x A123 packs, a extra battery-pack for the ignition DLE35Ra….So already 3 battery-packs in the plane.
Since i have enough battery power, i don't like to use a separate pack for the retracts…
 
so can i just cut of the separate + and - form the black distributor en solder them on the wire that go's to the receiver, because the wire that go's to the receiver is now only for the signal use….
 
a bit difficult for me to explain (english is not my mother tongue) , i hope you guys understand me …..? 



I cannot recommend you do this since that is not what ESM has recommended. It may work just fine though we have not tested and do not recommend this method. The only problem I see is when the retracts "stop" or "bottom out" the motor will draw a certain amount of amps and that may be a reason why they don't want you to share the battery with other crucial electronics.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/11/2013 9:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		A123s should have no problem keeping up with that kind of current draw. If you were using NiMH batteries, I would say no way, but therin lies the advantage of LiFe technology.

I use two 6.6V 1700 MaH LiFe batteries that each have two receiver leads coming off of them for a total of 4 leads. One lead from each battery goes to the receiver for redundancy. One of the remaining leads powers the ignition and another powers the retracts. I haven't had an issue yet and I use very high torque, high draw servos and every surface.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/12/2013 8:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		 @Tone, i bought them here in Europe.....
@irocbsa, thanks for the info! ... since i use TWO battery packs AND no NiMh but A123, i wonder why i should use a extra pack only for retracts.... so irocbsa (or anyone here), are you using the same receiver  twin pack for your retracts?
is there any EASY way to mesure iff they still draw some amps when they have stopped?......

and i wonder, what would be the best way? option 1 or option 2 ???



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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 2/12/2013 10:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ju, not an expert but if you want to power your batterys from a separate pack option one .
This should keep the esc from seeing the power to the packs as you have a switch inline .
You could then run a Y harness from one pack and test to see if there is draw when at rest .
I would assume that there would not be draw unless you hear the unit stressing in a attempt to close or open due to inappropriate installation .However in these new retracts they are supposed to sence friction and simply stop at that point and shut down until activated to go in the opposiite direction

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