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Richard Petty) once responded to a question as to HIS secrete to success of wining 200 races and 7 championships. His response...."IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!

“If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction, a call to non-arms.”

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

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I take care of my things too (cars ,harley ,street rod) ,but i dont tear them apart to fix nothing . joe

ever change a timing belt?
Did you wait for it to break before you ripped apart the front of your engine

You are trying to make an analogy
that relys on your opinion
that fixing the finances is fixing nothing.

You dont tear down a magazine to fix nothing,
you do overhaul a magazine/accounting to fix the problems with its finances

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

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The FACT that YOU don't win many (if any) elected positions

how many times does Hoss have to be elected to the AMA Exec Council
before you consider maybe your fact aint quite so accurate
(considering he had to win one of them by write-in as Incumbent Kept Off Ballot By NomCom)

Would you like him to start dropping the line
'As former twice elected AMA DVP, I say blahblahblah'
to every post he puts up?

If Hoss says 2+2 is 4,
I dont need him to say he was on the AMA EC a couple times to make it true.
Cant you just accept that its 4 without needing it to come from muncie?

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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

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The FACT that YOU don't win many (if any) elected positions

how many times does Hoss have to be elected to the AMA Exec Council
before you consider maybe your fact aint quite so accurate
(considering he had to win one of them by write-in as Incumbent Kept Off Ballot By NomCom)

Would you like him to start dropping the line
'As former twice elected AMA DVP, I say blahblahblah'
to every post he puts up?

If Hoss says 2+2 is 4,
I dont need him to say he was on the AMA EC a couple times to make it true.
Cant you just accept that its 4 without needing it to come from muncie?

Maybe tinner1 should have been more specific and included in his statement ''The FACT that YOU don't win many (if any) elected positions in the past 35 years.''

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ORIGINAL: tinner1
Hossfly,
Did YOU ever think that if YOU quit belittling everyone, and correcting everyone with an opinion different from YOURs you might(?) win more support?

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The FACT that YOU don't win many (if any) elected positions and have to rely on regurgitating your military and flying history every time you post, quite honestly gets REALLY OLD.

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There are enough people posting AGAINST your ideas, that I think THEY might be on the right track. As for the AMA mag, I personally find ALL the different articles interesting and well covered. Not everyone is going to get an issue full of their special interests every month, BUT a good modeler, with any brains, can see things common in other modeling activities that can EASILY be adapted to RC or their own field of interest. As to changing MA.... A VERY successful NASCAR driver (Richard Petty) once responded to a question as to HIS secrete to success of wining 200 races and 7 championships. His response....''IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT! When it does break, make its replacement better.'' I think THAT is the road MA is currently on...

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ORIGINAL: Top_Gunn

It takes a lot of imagination to find a ''net loss'' in a financial statement that says the AMA's unrelated business taxable income for each of the two years in question was positive, since the magazine is the AMA's largest unrelated business activity. Hoss's calculation of a ''net loss'' assumes that no AMA member who gets the magazine would buy it if it were optional. That assumption is clearly wrong, as some of us like it. And it's not an assumption that any accountant would make.

I'm not saying the magazine really makes a profit: there's no way to know this, because there's no way to know how many of us would subscribe if it weren't a requirement of membership. But there's equally no way to know that it would lose money by itself, and even if there were, these financial statements don't show it.

What's most incomprehensible of all is Hoss's apparent belief that, although he thinks the AMA is losing money on Model Aviation, it would make money ''on its own.'' What possible basis for thinking that could there be? Would people who now don't want to read MA start buying it if the AMA didn't run it? Would advertisers pay more if they didn't know that all AMA members would get this magazine? Please.

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ORIGINAL: bradpaul

Look at the circulation numbers:

Model Airplane News:  63,000

Flying Models:  24,000

RC Sport Flyer:  19,000

Model Aviation:  160,000

The complaint has been about profitability........  that MA charges lower add rates then the other mags while having the highest circulation...........  

Could MA charge more for adds?  Probably ......... but the unintended consiquence could be that as most model equipment suppliers have small and limited advertising budgets the effect would be to kill off the other magazines as the biggest eyeballs per $ would still be MA.

Would the posibility of the AMA killing off the model aviation magazines in the US be considered a good thing?

Brad 

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ORIGINAL: joebahl

Just as these same threads happen over and over every year i have noticed that the same ones here who complain about the mag are tolerated less and less when they speak.

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It seems to me what is worse is the ones that complain about the so-called complainers. 

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ORIGINAL: eddieC

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It seems to me what is worse is the ones that complain about the so-called complainers. 

Well said !!  

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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

What I find quite interesting is that some individuals can have over 3000 posts, mostly on the AMA forum, but never submit an article to MA for publication. Have they nothing worthwhile to offer the hobby?

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ORIGINAL: joebahl

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ORIGINAL: eddieC

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It seems to me what is worse is the ones that complain about the so-called complainers. 

Well said !!  

With 700 posts you have not been around long enough to get tired of these complainers but alot of us have in these forums the ama forums. I think crankshaft got his feelings hurt .lol joe

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ORIGINAL: Jim Thomerson

One thing I like about Flying Models is the abundance of small ads from small interesting suppliers. A few also advertise in MA.

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ORIGINAL: Jim Thomerson

Model Aviation pays for articles on acceptance for publication, unlike some other hobby publications where I have had articles published and paid for after a considerable time.

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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield



Gosh, you got to wonder if some of the paid members in the RCU AMA forum are compensated in some manner for continuing to stir the pot over minutiae and keeping the hit count up. Looks good to advertisers.

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ORIGINAL: Jim Thomerson

One thing I like about Flying Models is the abundance of small ads from small interesting suppliers. A few also advertise in MA.

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According to my research, The King (Richard Petty) is not credited with that quote. Not to say he never said it, just can't find attribution. I've said it, and I'm not credited with it either.

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"A VERY successful NASCAR driver (Richard Petty) once responded to a question as to HIS secrete to success of wining 200 races and 7 championships. His response...."IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT! When it does break, make its replacement better."

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“Interestingly, Colin Powell, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said this about that:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction, a call to non-arms.”

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ORIGINAL: tinner1
Hossfly,
Did YOU ever think that if YOU quit belittling everyone, and correcting everyone with an opinion different from YOURs you might(?) win more support?


Thanks tinner1 for your corrective input. However perhaps you fail to recognize that I simply distribute the real factual information then I supply the reasoning for my take on that information which I find. Am I critical when the information shows there are possibilities of there being a negative distribution of activities pertaining to AMA, (or any other organization I belong to) You can count on it! I am NOT a politician, nor do I wish to be.

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The FACT that YOU don't win many (if any) elected positions and have to rely on regurgitating your military and flying history every time you post, quite honestly gets REALLY OLD.


Then don't read them. I submit my life experiences because it shows that I have been around a while. Most folks can understand the military part, however the number of other activities that I have worked "under then table" may not be something that totally up-standing citizens, such as yourself, could comprehend.

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There are enough people posting AGAINST your ideas, that I think THEY might be on the right track. As for the AMA mag, I personally find ALL the different articles interesting and well covered. Not everyone is going to get an issue full of their special interests every month, BUT a good modeler, with any brains, can see things common in other modeling activities that can EASILY be adapted to RC or their own field of interest. As to changing MA.... A VERY successful NASCAR driver (Richard Petty) once responded to a question as to HIS secrete to success of wining 200 races and 7 championships. His response....''IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT! When it does break, make its replacement better.'' I think THAT is the road MA is currently on...



So what is your point? I do not criticize the content of MA's articles. I do RC and CL and have - way back - won many awards in Free Flight. I have never done indoor microfilm, nor Turbines nor electrics. Don't ever plan to do electrics, but plans do change as time goes by. I am only critical of AMA's spending dues money on a project that could well be a profit maker on its own.
On post # 47, I bring the information from the 2011 Audit Report, which plainly states the NET LOSS OF THE MODEL AVIATION PRODUCTION was $861,146.00. That loss has to be paid from member dues and donations, as it is above advertising and subscriptions income. BTW, the "Subscriptions" income is that income from non-member subscriptions, in and outside USA, plus the magazines sold to Hobby Shops, etc.

Therefore if anyone wishes to complain about that info, that is their right to do so. If RCU says "NO" to posting such here then that is their right to do so. It's their ball game.
Until they do I will continue to do so. There are many forums here that I have never looked at, much less posted on. They all belong to RCU.

Tinner1, I do agree with you on one item: "BUT a good modeler, with any brains, can see things common in other modeling activities that can EASILY be adapted to RC or their own field of interest." I have stated the same information when some complain about any magazine that has other than RC. I subscribe to Flying Models, MAN (RC), Control Line World, Stunt News (PAMPA), and as a "Flying Aces" member I get their magazine.

There is one big difference between MA and the other mags. I can quit anyone of those others whenever I so wish. With MA, I have to belong to its publisher if I wish to belong to a charter club, fly on a charter club facility, compete or attend sanctioned events be they AMA and/or IMAA. Maybe that is why I am an AMA LIFE MEMBER which AMA can terminate at any time they choose.

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Tinner1'
NOW, YOU can respond with your usual posts pointing out how MY "opinion" is wrong....