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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 3:12 PM   
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It is a completely bunk argument this one person is making about the AE. Pure hot air.



No its not ...this is feedback from no less then 2 dozen racers who run my engines in this car.......... This is common knowledge around most race circles...the AE car is over aggressive.........You are just a backyard basher Patrik, you have absolutely zero contact with the North American Racing Scene, and over in Germany all I see you post is some flat track onroad running with Truggies...................I Am going to believe the guys running these cars over what you, some basher thinks.......... As it is now I have 2 full sponsored AE drivers running on my engines, and I talk with them weekly... I Am very familiar with the AE car, I even sell the dam thing in my store............ Honestly you have no business recommending this or any car if a person is into racing as you have less racing experience in your entire lifetime as I had this week alone................The RC8.2 is a twitch machine, some guys like it, others detest it...........it is the loosest car on the market, and can also be the fastest in the right hands, issue is, most club racers are incapable of handling the car effectively.......... I probably could track down 10 guys who had the 8.2 and had to dump it for these reasons.......... So don't be trying to tell these people on this forum what I am saying is rubbish....as all your doing is misleading people into buying a car that is probably not well suited to them.......... I am connected to thew racing scene much more then any of you here are, I talk with hundreds of racer per week, and yearly I sell thousands of engines to racers.........You run around a parking lot by yourself........big difference

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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 3:32 PM   
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just to be clear here...it is impossible to rate any one buggy against the others unless you actually race with each buggy......Then to be even more accurate you need to race each buggy in different track conditions in order to truly see how the different machines compare..... Everyone on these basher forums instantly become experts when talking about race machines, but I am very very skeptical any of you have actually driven all these different machines, then I am skeptical you guys actually have the skill and knowledge to actually know and differentiate between what you are driving........ Basically you guys will say anything on the internet to maintain the facade that you actually know what your are talking about..Bad thing is you guys are usually talking out of your rectum and advising people how to spend their money on nothing more then a whim..........You are being parasitic to the hobby by constantly forcing your fanboy preferences of products, as in almost all cases you guys do not have the experience or knowledge to really offer anything substantial and true..............

Myself I am the real deal, I own a world class track facility, I am one of the largest engines suppliers in the industry, I am a distributor for several of the top brands, and I actually get to run and drive all the different kits at will, since I own them....And if I happen to not own a kit , I have several locals at my track who do...I actually get to run these machines head to head, side by side and that is something that none of you can bring to the table.....

Drive these cars

MUgen
Kyosho
Losi
Serpenmt
Hotbodies
AE
Agama
X-Ray
Hyper

then after you have about 12 tanks on the track with each car then come back and tell me the AE is not a twitch machine........ But if all you have ever driven is the AE (Patric ), you have no business pretending to know how the AE compares to the others.........

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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 4:11 PM   
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 I would just love to know your justification in finding threads and telling everybody that they don't know what they are talking about. I don't open my mouth unless I am speaking from experience, and to top it off, you are the ONLY one on here one-sidedly trash talking the AE car. Seems to me like you have a grudge against em. So what really happened? Some AE rep touch you as a kid? Steal your wife? Spit in your maple syrup? 


Just because I am a club racer means nothing, dude. My Losi would stand strong against anything you've got in its class, and its driver is pretty damn smooth too. Actually, I've smoked a few cars with your engines before, and laughed when the one in particular kinda.....internally fragmented. He laughed too, mentioning something about a "junk hand-me-down anyway". Not to mention the local guys around here have sent more than one team driver home with their tails between their legs. 


To the OP- If you have any doubts, try one for yourself. See if someone you run with will let you take theirs around the track, most guys would agree to let you do it under a "you break it you buy it" deal. I have driven several RC8's and RC8e's, and honestly, it was a hard choice between that and what I have now. 


And Tib, stop topping off your ridiculous trash-talking posts with links to your website, nobody cares.


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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 4:24 PM   
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Send a maniac to catch a maniac. Let em get on with it. Herrsavage is the polar opposite of objective, and tib is just up his own butt (no offense Neal, that doesn't mean I don't like and respect you, you have to take the positive with the negative ).

Grab yourself some popcorn and sit back.

Back on topic, I'm telling you all...until you've built an Xray, you just can't appreciate them. Once you put em down, hey, Mugen, Losi, Xray, they are all good, but building and looking at an Xray is as much fun as driving it. Here's a little reminder...this car is now 8 years on the market relatively unchanged, testament to quality...this was one of the first imported to Greece. I really miss that car...







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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 8:22 PM   
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"The polar opposite of objective"?? I beg to differ... Foxy, YOU were the first one to chime in with YOUR favorite brand.. My posting in the first place was an ironic continuation of a silly subjective trend I knew was coming.. And on which YOU took the bait..

And in any case, "there are no facts, only interpretations".....

ps I also raced a Hyper ST Pro btw.. WAY faster with the RC8T - faster than some Mugens and others btw, again, with guys who obsessed way more about set-up than I ever did...

Here is where I would insert my website if I were trying to sell something...

Oh wait, I'm not. If anything is "the polar opposite of objective", it's commenting negatively on brands you don't sell and therefore have a personal interest in..... - convincing people they are bad............................... to get them to buy what you do sell.. Kind of like saying "MT's are total garbage and only for stupid newbs who hang out at dumb forums like RCU.. Truggies rule." Between the lines "go buy one, then I can sell you one of my engines"....

The "reasoning" in the above post is utterly dumb. I AM in some ways a basher at heart, and can't take all the obsessing in racing seriously. Real, serious racing is frankly dorky. How else could anyone really get off on talking about drilling shock pistons? Yet that's all you hear about... But anyway, I - Mr. clueless basher who races when he can(and bothers with RCU ha ha...), occasionally race with AE buggies and truggies. AND do well enough except against the guys who travel around in mobile RC garages and ... IDK, drill shock pistons all day... Total bunk about the AE. And - as usual - totally disingenuous. Begs the question - maybe the AE is SO GOOD, that it doesn't need some stupidly overpowered (and overpriced..) engine to be fast?.. Huh.. Just an idea...

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RE: Best buggy - 5/8/2012 9:14 PM   
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Send a maniac to catch a maniac. Let em get on with it. Herrsavage is the polar opposite of objective, and tib is just up his own butt (no offense Neal, that doesn't mean I don't like and respect you, you have to take the positive with the negative ).

Grab yourself some popcorn and sit back.

Back on topic, I'm telling you all...until you've built an Xray, you just can't appreciate them. Once you put em down, hey, Mugen, Losi, Xray, they are all good, but building and looking at an Xray is as much fun as driving it. Here's a little reminder...this car is now 8 years on the market relatively unchanged, testament to quality...this was one of the first imported to Greece. I really miss that car...


This is really entertaining.
1. Herrsavage is unobjective
2. Tib is up his own butt
3.XRay is relatively unchanged in 8 years

Well, one out of three isn't too good an average.

As a big XRay fan, have you even bothered to educate yourself as to what they have been doing?  Stating that XRay has been relatively unchanged in 8 years doesn't wash.

http://teamxray.com/teamxray/news/newsdesc.php?news_id=2589&kategoria=2589&Xnet_Session=67286aa13731067adaf495e8b7b3bc59

BTW, I think you've been very unfair to HerrSavage.  He is much more objective than most.  Point of fact, he is more objective than you.  You don't see him running around, wherever possible, to recommend ThunderTiger.


 



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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 7:30 AM   
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 I would just love to know your justification in finding threads and telling everybody that they don't know what they are talking about. I don't open my mouth unless I am speaking from experience, and to top it off, you are the ONLY one on here one-sidedly trash talking the AE car. Seems to me like you have a grudge against em. So what really happened? Some AE rep touch you as a kid? Steal your wife? Spit in your maple syrup? 


Just because I am a club racer means nothing, dude. My Losi would stand strong against anything you've got in its class, and its driver is pretty damn smooth too. Actually, I've smoked a few cars with your engines before, and laughed when the one in particular kinda.....internally fragmented. He laughed too, mentioning something about a ''junk hand-me-down anyway''. Not to mention the local guys around here have sent more than one team driver home with their tails between their legs. 


To the OP- If you have any doubts, try one for yourself. See if someone you run with will let you take theirs around the track, most guys would agree to let you do it under a ''you break it you buy it'' deal. I have driven several RC8's and RC8e's, and honestly, it was a hard choice between that and what I have now. 


And Tib, stop topping off your ridiculous trash-talking posts with links to your website, nobody cares.




what track do you race at Junior ? lets see some race results..... Also please tell me the racers who have supposedly blown one of my engines...... Its easy to say all sorts of things pn the internet if you have no intention of being held accountable for what you say............. You talk like a expert, lets see some evidence that your not some newbie barely a year into racing ( of wait, you are indeed a newbie barely a year into racing ) Yes I checked back to your original post in late 2010 asking where to start with what RC to buy............. And since you have made like 2500 plus posts since then, I am going to say you probably talk about racing a whole pile more then you actually have raced ! As you obviously have a pile of spare time on your hands..............

FYI I have some very fast racers who run for me in your neck of the woods, so be careful what you say, as your not going to fool me with ****, as I will check everything you say to see if your actually telling the truth, or just talking out your ass on the internet for something to do ! You say some of your locals have sent my team guys home with their tail between their legs, I would like you to tell me the names of these guys and at what track , just so we can see if we are on the same page..........

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 8:04 AM   
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Nitroexpress, to avoid misunderstanding, I'd strongly recommend reading my posts better in future. I said the XT8 is virtually unchanged in 8 years, and it is. If you seriously think I wouldn't be aware of one of my favorite brand's newest products, you must wonder why I bother with the hobby. Strange you would think that this somehow slipped my mind, rather than the far more obvious possibility, that you misunderstood what I wrote. You really thought I was trying to say that Xray hasn;t made a new product in 8 years? That's pretty funny.

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BTW, I think you've been very unfair to HerrSavage. He is much more objective than most. Point of fact, he is more objective than you. You don't see him running around, wherever possible, to recommend ThunderTiger.


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It is a completely bunk argument this one person is making about the AE. Pure hot air.

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''The polar opposite of objective''?? I beg to differ... Foxy, YOU were the first one to chime in with YOUR favorite brand.. My posting in the first place was an ironic continuation of a silly subjective trend I knew was coming.. And on which YOU took the bait..


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Kind of like saying ''MT's are total garbage and only for stupid newbs who hang out at dumb forums like RCU..


Or is it like saying 'Serious racing is dorky?

...and...

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Not the most objective comments, and all on this page too.

As for Thunder Tiger, I recommend the MT4 to people looking for a brushless monster truck, because it's very good value for money. Recommend it wherever possible? Really? How come I didn't recommend a Thunder Tiger product in this thread...I recommended Mugen, Xray, Losi and Jammin. 4 brands, and TTR nowhere to be seen. OR IS IT?? Lol, Associated IS Thunder Tiger.

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 8:17 AM   
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'Foxy, YOU were the first one to chime in with YOUR favorite brand.. My posting in the first place was an ironic continuation of a silly subjective trend I knew was coming.. And on which YOU took the bait..

When someone asks a question, I answer it to the best of my experience. I don't know what you are talking about when you say things like bait and how I 'fell for it'.

And in any case, ''there are no facts, only interpretations''.....

So it's not a fact that Xray has very good materials, fit and finish? It's not a fact that the Mugen is one of the most planted cars on the track?

ps I also raced a Hyper ST Pro btw.. WAY faster with the RC8T - faster than some Mugens and others btw, again, with guys who obsessed way more about set-up than I ever did...

I'm a big Hobao (and Hong Nor) fan. I'm not surprised people were beaten by a better driver with a better setup. Are you saying you think the Hyper is better than the 8.2? I'm confused.

Here is where I would insert my website if I were trying to sell something...

Oh wait, I'm not. If anything is ''the polar opposite of objective'', it's commenting negatively on brands you don't sell and therefore have a personal interest in..... - convincing people they are bad............................... to get them to buy what you do sell.. Kind of like saying ''MT's are total garbage and only for stupid newbs who hang out at dumb forums like RCU.. Truggies rule.'' Between the lines ''go buy one, then I can sell you one of my engines''....

I haven't seen anybody saying the AE car is 'bad'. I in fact said it was 'good', and the worst thing Neal said was it was twitchy and over aggressive? You've heard my complaint of the AE car before...needs upgrades and has too much plastic where other manufacturers use carbon fiber or alloy.

The ''reasoning'' in the above post is utterly dumb. I AM in some ways a basher at heart, and can't take all the obsessing in racing seriously. Real, serious racing is frankly dorky.

Serious racing is dorky? wait, WHAT? I just can't believe you said that in the forum for the most popular racing class in the US.

How else could anyone really get off on talking about drilling shock pistons? Yet that's all you hear about... But anyway, I - Mr. clueless basher who races when he can(and bothers with RCU ha ha...), occasionally race with AE buggies and truggies. AND do well enough except against the guys who travel around in mobile RC garages and ... IDK, drill shock pistons all day... Total bunk about the AE. And - as usual - totally disingenuous. Begs the question - maybe the AE is SO GOOD, that it doesn't need some stupidly overpowered (and overpriced..) engine to be fast?.. Huh.. Just an idea...

I don't drill shock pistons either...good use of the word disingenuous by the way.

Happy RC'ing girls...

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 8:19 AM   
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OK folks, lets get back to the topic of the OP, before I say something else unbecoming of a moderator.

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 9:26 AM   
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The "There are no facts, only interpetations" comment was just a quote from an author I like. The point being, everything is subjective.., everyone is biased, everyone has different budgets, circumstances, etc.. AE was "best" for me at a particular time cuz it was 100 bucks cheaper than the Mugen, parts are potentially easier to come by, I already had a bunch of AE parts I could use on it, I could share engine mounts and gearing with my SC8(i.e. direct swap-over), and I had a bunch of 16, 17, and 18T CB's which I can use with it.. So for me it was the best.. Shrug..

The flip-side of the acknowledgement that everything is subjective is that I can come out and say honestly that yes I dislike electric. I don't however go into electric threads trolling and looking for trouble. When electric fanboys though come into nitro or open threads banging on about how "superior" their c.rap is, well then, of course I give my opinion, if only to restore some semblance of balance when two or three of these ADD teenagers complain about nitro being hard or whatever.. I've never claimed that electric sucks in some objective way. I just find it incredibly lame. So there.. Shrug again.

One more shrug.. I find racing way too uptight and humorless. But I do it when I can, because I like RC and especially burning nitro that much...

Of course X-ray is good. Never said it wasn't..

And what on AE stuff is "too plastic"?... Where do they use plastic (on their 8th scales) where other brands use carbon or alloy? Nowhere.. Look the 8.2 over - very good quality parts, and good fit and finish too..

http://www.teamassociated.com/cars_and_trucks/RC8.2/Factory_Team/

I had the Hobao truggy first, then got an RC8T, and was immediately faster with it. My point was, I was competitive with it immediately, without fiddling with the setup, and THAT against other brands - Mugen esp, which is popular here, run by guys who obsessed way more about setup than I did...

Then I had the RC8B, which I raced last year. It was funny at this organized race I went to. I had no pit-man, so ran around and found one. The guy I found had a Mugen with a table-full of surgical-looking tools, nice lined up rows of spare tires of all brands and treads, most likely a second kit under the table for parts, etc.. Anyway, later in the day, I was rushing around looking for him or someone else again, I saw him and asked, and he was like "What? You qualified? You were faster than me?".. All I could do was shrug. But it was funny that there I was feeling practically guilty cuz I had somehow qualified for the next level and he hadn't, with a used RC8B and no idea what fluid was in the shocks or diffs, and a beat up old cheap REX engine - and best of all, a 40mhz RTR radio ha ha.... (Another funny detail.. I STILL don't understand what people are doing between heats with all their cars half taken apart.. So at this race, feeling like I should do something, I changed tires for the first three qualifiers.. That change was stupid and cost me time.. I.e. I should have just stayed with my Bow Ties and I'd have done even better... )

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 9:37 AM   
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The ''There are no facts, only interpetations'' comment was just a quote from an author I like. The point being, everything is subjective.., everyone is biased, everyone has different budgets, circumstances, etc.. AE was ''best'' for me at a particular time cuz it was 100 bucks cheaper than the Mugen, parts are potentially easier to come by, I already had a bunch of AE parts I could use on it, I could share engine mounts and gearing with my SC8(i.e. direct swap-over), and I had a bunch of 16, 17, and 18T CB's which I can use with it.. So for me it was the best.. Shrug..

Of course X-ray is good. Never said it wasn't..

And what on AE stuff is too plastic?... Where do they use plastic (on their 8th scales) where other brands use carbon or alloy? Nowhere.. Look the 8.2 over - very good quality parts, and good fit and finish too..

http://www.teamassociated.com/cars_and_trucks/RC8.2/Factory_Team/

I had the Hobao truggy first, then got an RC8T, and was immediately faster with it. My point was, I was competitive with it immediately, without fiddling with the setup, and THAT against other brands - Mugen esp, which is popular here, run by goes who obsessed way more about setup than I did...

Then I had the RC8B, which I raced last year. It was funny at this organized race I went to. I had no pit-man, so ran around and found one. The guy I found had a Mugen with a table-full of surgical-looking tools, nice rows of spare tires of all brands and treads, etc.. Anyway, later in the day, I was rushing around looking for him or someone else again, I saw him and asked, and he was like ''What? You qualified? You were faster than me?''.. All I could do was shrug. But it was funny that there I was feeling practically guilty cuz I had somehow been faster than him, with a used RC8B and no idea what fluid was in the shocks or diffs, and a beat up old cheap REX engine - and best of all, a 40mhz RTR radio ha ha....


As I've said before I don't disagree with any of this. It is you who disagree when I say that I think Mugen is better, despite the fact that I can quantify why I believe this.

As for what parts are plastic which are different on other cars, we've had this conversation before, and I posted pictures for you back then as well. To be fair its only the center diff cover and radio tray, but still, that's something.

I don't deny that the AE is a good car, never have, if you go back to the first page of the topic, I stated that all the cars can go fast, and you have to turn to arbitrary metrics (kit design, manuals, fit and finish, materials), to determine which is best. I'm even thinking of getting a RC8B for my brushless project this summer cos they are nice and cheap.

Build an Xray though Patrick, you owe it to yourself.

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 9:46 AM   
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If they would update their truggy.. Naa. The XB9 interests me for sure..

I've read enough about how great the quality is, the build, and so on.. So I'm keen..

But part of it has to do with the arc of prices in Germany in the last five years or so. What I mean by that is, because prices here used to be so stupid, I've stockpiled tons of Associated (and LST2) parts over the years - mostly from the US, so switching brands would basically entail giving away hundreds of dollars worth of stuff.. And I'm kind of stubborn about that.

Though I have been on the look-out for a trade for an MBX6R, XB9, or SWorkz.. Even though I just the other day ordered four new 17 and 18T CB's...

In any case, I was never really arguing with you. It was more just to correct the nonsense coming from "that other guy" trying bizarrely and disingenuously to give AE a bad name..

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 10:21 AM   
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Tell me about it, I want the new electric XT8/9, which was announced nearly 2 years ago and never spoken of again.

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 4:49 PM   
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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 6:05 PM   
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WOW... Some people get way too sensitive and take these forums way too seriously. No need to get you panties in a bunch. As much as I love my RCs, they are still just toy cars people

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RE: Best buggy - 5/9/2012 11:38 PM   
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for a first buggy I recommend a HB Hara or a Mugen 6B...both cars are very planted and easy to drive and both cars are very forgiving on setups......IMO these 2 cars will give a new racer the best chances of success.....

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RE: Best buggy - 5/12/2012 12:14 PM   
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neal you forgot the link to your website...

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RE: Best buggy - 5/12/2012 9:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: supertib

just to be clear here...it is impossible to rate any one buggy against the others unless you actually race with each buggy......Then to be even more accurate you need to race each buggy in different track conditions in order to truly see how the different machines compare..... Everyone on these basher forums instantly become experts when talking about race machines, but I am very very skeptical any of you have actually driven all these different machines, then I am skeptical you guys actually have the skill and knowledge to actually know and differentiate between what you are driving........ Basically you guys will say anything on the internet to maintain the facade that you actually know what your are talking about..Bad thing is you guys are usually talking out of your rectum and advising people how to spend their money on nothing more then a whim..........You are being parasitic to the hobby by constantly forcing your fanboy preferences of products, as in almost all cases you guys do not have the experience or knowledge to really offer anything substantial and true..............

Myself I am the real deal, I own a world class track facility, I am one of the largest engines suppliers in the industry, I am a distributor for several of the top brands, and I actually get to run and drive all the different kits at will, since I own them....And if I happen to not own a kit , I have several locals at my track who do...I actually get to run these machines head to head, side by side and that is something that none of you can bring to the table.....

Drive these cars

MUgen
Kyosho
Losi
Serpenmt
Hotbodies
AE
Agama
X-Ray
Hyper

then after you have about 12 tanks on the track with each car then come back and tell me the AE is not a twitch machine........ But if all you have ever driven is the AE (Patric ), you have no business pretending to know how the AE compares to the others.........

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out of curiousness is that list in any particular order as in best > worst?

Also how would you rank the Jammin X1x CR? I remember they used to be raced and so was the X2 which was just a mildly upgraded version (but most ppl I read swapped back to X1 parts for certain things). BTW only curious I know the jammin can take a royal beating just curious how it would be ranked in handling at a track.

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RE: Best buggy - 5/13/2012 8:47 AM   
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Sorry Syco, that's it for this one. Plenty here for the OP to chew on and this isn't getting us anywhere.

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