Top_Gunn
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No, you can fly anywhere you want, but the safest place is an AMA club filed. There because of self imposed responsible behavior, the possibility of accidental damage or injury is minimized. I still stand by the engineering principle behind this statement.
Amazing. Yesterday it was FAA regulations, today it's engineering principles. Tomorrow it may be monsters who will pop out from under your bed in the night if you dare to fly elsewhere than at an AMA field.
This is a guy who, in the last couple of months, has told us that (1) Model Aviation isn't allowed to make money because the AMA is a non-profit organization, (2) any dues-paying member of an AMA club can allow non-AMA members to fly at his field a few times, (3) the AMA requires its clubs to adopt a rule providing for expulsion of members who violate the rules, and (4) this stuff about how you can't fly FPV except from an AMA club field. All these claims are false; in each case, they're a badly distorted version of something else. For example, the AMA encourages, but does not require, clubs to adopt a rule expelling rule violators. There's no disgrace in misremebering something you've heard or read. But people really ought to check before posting about things supported by vague memories. Some people may believe the things they read here.
You do realize that you post is a personal attack and therefore I am in my right to ask that it be removed. However. I would more enjoy pointing out the error of your ways.
1 - The AMA is formed as a ''non-profit'' organization. And by definition, a ''non-profit'' is not allowed to make a a profit and distribute that profit to their shareholders (in there are any). To that end, if the AMA managed their resources well, through the sale of memberships, magazines and other products, any excess money earned must be placed back into the organization. This has allows the purchase of property in Muncie Indiana and the necessary improvements on that property., such as buildings, flying fields and runways, RC Car track and many other features. So yes, they can make Money, just not a profit.
2 - This is a method to promote model aviation. The AAMA calls it the ''Introductory Pilot Program''. Our club promotes it on their webpage and allows novices to fly, using buddy boxes during many of our public events as well as any time a member shows up with a friend and a qualified instructor is available.. I am told that many clubs do that, apparently your club is closed to new members. And, like the Shakers may soon become extinct.
3 - It is in the AMA member handbook and in my clubs bylaws. Apparently your club didn't get the message. In an AMA document on bylaws the section for disciplinary action is ''strongly suggested'' not required, as I may have misspoken.
4 - I never said ''you can't fly'', I said it is the safest place to fly. There is nothing to prevent you from finding a location well away from people and buildings and setting up a buddy box to fly line of sight. It just the AMA club fields already have all of the amenities necessary. So why bother?
I have not misremembered anything.
1. They can make a profit on the magazine. For that matter, they can make a profit overall. True, they can't pay dividends to the "shareholders," and if you had said that, you'd have been right, but irrelevant. But you said they weren't allowed to make a profit, which isn't true.
2. The intro pilot program does not allow any dues-paying member to buddy-box a non member, as you claimed. Only an intro pilot (I've been one myself) can do that. I have no idea where you got the silly idea that my club is closed to new members. You seem to have a remarkable knack for misunderstanding things.
3. Yes, you "may have misspoken."
4. You said this: "you can't fly anywhere without FAA approval, except at an AMA club field." And now you claim you never said it? Fascinating. Claiming never to have said something people can read in your original post is foolish. You should say it was "taken out of context."
So, four out of four statements that were wrong. Pointing this out is not a personal attack.
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