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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 8:54 PM   
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looks like the site is not compatable with windows xp and aol......


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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 9:22 PM   
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 9:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		  I have a limited supply of TK22 boards on the way and unfortunately they are spoken for.  I am told early to mid February the stock situation will open up and there should be enough to fill whatever anybody wanted but until then it is pulling hens teeth to get them.
 I have not run a Lipo on them but the board itself does not care where the electricity comes from as long as the voltage and amps are good there should be no issue. I would say running any type of motor system with the TK22 or TK20 would depend on keeping everything within the parameters of the boards needs.  
ie a little homewrok matching motors to batteries and the boards will offer a much better scenario like all lipo systems. With the track current at 20 amps on the TK boards that would leave a few options open.
I'll put you on my e-mail list and let you know when the TK22 gets here.

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Do you have a date when you will have the TK22 Ti boards in?
Full of questions:
I assume running LiPoly's are not a problem?
Can you run a brushless motor(s) with the Clarke boards?
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 10:02 PM   
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know the many details of the ins & out differences between brushed & brushless motors & ESCs, but I do know they are quite different in the way they operate & the ESC must be able to handle which type motor you will be using.

So I don't know if it's just a case of making sure brushless motor specs are within the amperage / voltage limitations of the board in the possibility they might work. If the ESCs on the boards were brushless, I guess they may be able to handle brushed motors, but because I thought all brushless motors are 3 wired, & the ESC on the TK20/TK22 boards only handle 2 wired motors properly, I would assume that limits them to using the typical brushed motors only. But that's just a guess on my part, sorry.

However, the best one to answer technical questions of this nature about the ability of the boards would be Clark.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 11:55 PM   
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Too bad. Brushless motors have incredible torque. With the right controller and programming, it may be possible to run the brushless motor with no or nominal geardowns. I hear there's a new controller comping out this spring that will allow brushless motors (can't think of it off hand..).
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/2/2013 11:59 PM   
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That's my understanding also.
Too bad. Brushless motors have incredible torque. With the right controller and programming, it may be possible to run the brushless motor with no or nominal geardowns. I hear there's a new controller comping out this spring that will allow brushless motors (can't think of it off hand..).
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The new rcTabu Taipan board being developed & discussed here (Taipan discussion thread) will allow either brushed or brushless motors to be used.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 12:30 AM   
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XP shoud not be an issue.  I have an XP test system running IE 8 and it viewed fine.


I just tried it on my wifes windows 7 computer and I get the same message. Thinking AOL is blocking it..........It would be nice if clark posted a pdf or moved the site to a server that is flagged as something that needs to be blocked.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 12:50 AM   
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 3:58 AM   
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That's my understanding also.
Too bad. Brushless motors have incredible torque. With the right controller and programming, it may be possible to run the brushless motor with no or nominal geardowns. I hear there's a new controller comping out this spring that will allow brushless motors (can't think of it off hand..).
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Tjs.

TK board doesn't support brushless motor.

Brushless motor is good for high speed application, like airplane &  racing car, but not good for tank as its low speed linearity is not good as brush motor.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was looking and reading up on some of the new sensored brushless motors used in the rock crawling rc hobbies. The torque is amazing and it likes like the potential "stuttering" effect has been solved.
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I always forget the golden rule that simple is better (brushed motors and trany's work well).
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 6:05 AM   
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I was looking and reading up on some of the new sensored brushless motors used in the rock crawling rc hobbies. The torque is amazing and it likes like the potential "stuttering" effect has been solved.
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I always forget the golden rule that simple is better (brushed motors and trany's work well).
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Exactly,  few tanker here in Taiwan once fit their tank with brushless motors years ago, and eventually find it doesn't do anything better but costly, so no one is trying to use brushless motors now.




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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 3:39 PM   
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 3:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Hey Scott, I think Brel on rctankregiment made a PDF of all the instructions. Should be in the Clark section.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 4:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, I will look....In working with this board, has any one been able to seperate the sticks for hull and turret functions? In ir battleing not being able to turn the tank and turn the turret at the same time will be an issue, same with gun elevation and driving. With a tamiya tank able to do everything with the turret with one stick and everything with the hull with the other stick, guys with the clark board are just going to be easy kills up close. 

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 4:23 PM   
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:04 PM   
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lol......I had to walk way last night, I ether cooked the speaker or the sound unit on the board last night trying to get the tank to turn....goes forward and backwards but no turns......now all the motors run but no sound....guess its a good thing I bought 2 tk20t boards......I love the sound on the clark but the setup on these boards is a pia.

mustclime, the link I sent you in the PM should work, if you click on it & only see blank pages in the browser screen, then try using the download button that should be present on the page, it will download the file properly so you should then be able to see the whole PDF file properly.

I've never installed anything in an RC tank before doing my own Clark board installations, but from my experience I had most of the functions working properly with my FlySky CT6B controller basically just plugging in most the original wired plugs directly from my IR HL tanks right into the Clark board, while the only really pita for me was redoing the recoil to make it work. Sorry you are having all these issues.

I'm not quite sure how you could have burned out the speaker or board's sound chip just trying to get the tank to turn, that's very odd & would be unfortunate. With the hundreds of boards sold & installed, component failure on the boards themselves has been almost non-existent. Not saying it can't happen, but it's extremely rare.

The Volume pot connection or Volume pot itself could also be the issue, because without it connected securely & working properly there won't be any sound at all.

It seems more like the board may not have been put through the setup steps exactly as listed on Clark's site to get a fully working install, which is understandable if you couldn't get to them to follow the steps accordingly, or maybe the controller/mode/trims aren't set up properly to allow full control of all the functions. I know this has happened to me, depending on the setup of the controller & if the trims are not in the proper place, I could completely loose some functions on the sticks.

So did anything else work at all besides the motors, like with the CN9 cable plugged in, did you at least get turret rotation, gun elevation, or machine gun fire (without sound you should at least still see the mg LED blinking if it has one)?



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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:34 PM   
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Thanks, I will look....In working with this board, has any one been able to seperate the sticks for hull and turret functions? In ir battleing not being able to turn the tank and turn the turret at the same time will be an issue, same with gun elevation and driving. With a tamiya tank able to do everything with the turret with one stick and everything with the hull with the other stick, guys with the clark board are just going to be easy kills up close. 

Yes, as Tom pointed out, the controls can be set up separate, so the only real reason a Clark board user will be an easy kill should be determined by their RC skills, not by any limitations of the controls.

I have all movement & steering on my left stick, while all turret controls are on my right stick. It was very easy for me to set up on my FlySky CT6B controller using the DigitalRadio program as I outlined in my post here on the forum before => http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11331522

The only difference in control I have now, from what I had explained in that post, was I moved the gun elevation to channel 5 & now use a servo for it. So if Tamiya owners, or any other RC tank owners, can easily kill me in an RC battle, it's just that my battle skill experience is seriously lacking, & not because of the control setup I have on the tank.


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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:44 PM   
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The biggest hurdle is how to control elevation without the main gun or MG firing since like I said most of these are setup to work with the stick down  revolving elevation unit
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:52 PM   
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 The main problem I've come across with all these aftermarket battle systems (with exception of EL MOD or SLU, never tried'em) is they are set up for HL transmitters and controls.
The biggest hurdle is how to control elevation without the main gun or MG firing since like I said most of these are setup to work with the stick down  revolving elevation unit
from HL.  Has someone overcome this?

Read the post just before yours , as I mentioned, you can add servo elevation if you want it.

Besides, even though the "stick down revolving elevation", or what I'll call cycling gun elevation, is a HL "feature", the Clark board gives you control of the stock HL elevation motor to move it either way you want, up or down, whenever you want. You don't have to wait for a full cycle for the barrel elevation to change directions.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 5:55 PM   
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 The main problem I've come across with all these aftermarket battle systems (with exception of EL MOD or SLU, never tried'em) is they are set up for HL transmitters and controls.
The biggest hurdle is how to control elevation without the main gun or MG firing since like I said most of these are setup to work with the stick down  revolving elevation unit
from HL.  Has someone overcome this?

Read the post just before yours , as I mentioned, you can add servo elevation if you want it.

Besides, even though the "stick down revolving elevation", or what I'll call cycling gun elevation, is a HL "feature", the Clark board gives you control of the stock HL elevation motor to move it either way you want, up or down, whenever you want. You don't have to wait for a full cycle for the barrel elevation to change directions.

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Oh yea, forgot the clark had the servo elevation plug in.  Now if YHR can get the Benedini to work for turret sounds as well as engine sounds we'll be in business.



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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 6:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you pop out the electronics on a servo, it works great as an electric motor. Hook up the power and negative leads and plug into the Clarke board and you have an instant servo (motor) controlled elevation. Smaller application then the HL cycling mess and much faster response. I tied a 22 ohm resistor to slow down the servo response. I'm going to try a Gear Servo which should move slower and have more torque as I think I choked the power down too much on the servo with the resistor (it struggles somewhat in raising the cannon).
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 6:53 PM   
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 The main problem I've come across with all these aftermarket battle systems (with exception of EL MOD or SLU, never tried'em) is they are set up for HL transmitters and controls.
The biggest hurdle is how to control elevation without the main gun or MG firing since like I said most of these are setup to work with the stick down  revolving elevation unit
from HL.  Has someone overcome this?

Read the post just before yours , as I mentioned, you can add servo elevation if you want it.

Besides, even though the ''stick down revolving elevation'', or what I'll call cycling gun elevation, is a HL ''feature'', the Clark board gives you control of the stock HL elevation motor to move it either way you want, up or down, whenever you want. You don't have to wait for a full cycle for the barrel elevation to change directions.

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Oh yea, forgot the clark had the servo elevation plug in.  Now if YHR can get the Benedini to work for turret sounds as well as engine sounds we'll be in business.





You can mate up a Benedini to a Clark board, and get the engines sounds, but you have to use all the other Clark sounds. Which are pretty good.

The DBC3/Benedini, with a HK T6A radio operates just like a Tamiya now. you just need to use channel five for Gun elevation, and Map the Benedini to play gun elevation sounds when you use that channel. Both of my latest rebuilds, the T-34 and the Sherman both have this function.

I also have my Clark board set up to operate like all my other tanks. You just need to play around with the servo assignment. The only caution is that there is no start sequence for this board. As soon as you turn it on it is ready for action. I damn near ran my KV1 right off the bench!!!.

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Oh yea, forgot the clark had the servo elevation plug in.  Now if YHR can get the Benedini to work for turret sounds as well as engine sounds we'll be in business.

Along with the rest of the sounds, I think the turret sounds are very good on the Clark boards, so I'm already in business with just an inexpensive Clark board.

Also, not entirely true regarding the elevation Benny, the Clark TK22 has servo elevation & servo recoil, while the TK20 boards only have servo recoil built into them.

To add servo elevation on a TK20 board you need to do what I did by hooking up a servo directly to the receiver itself, bypassing the board.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 6:56 PM   
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