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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 6:59 PM

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I think benny just means hacking the servo so it acts as a motor.

Well then I guess you read Benny better than I do Tom

, because to me his post sounded like he thought you could just simply plug a servo straight into a TK20, & then get servo elevation.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 7:10 PM

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If you pop out the electronics on a servo, it works great as an electric motor. Hook up the power and negative leads and plug into the Clarke board and you have an instant servo (motor) controlled elevation. Smaller application then the HL cycling mess and much faster response. I tied a 22 ohm resistor to slow down the servo response. I'm going to try a Gear Servo which should move slower and have more torque as I think I choked the power down too much on the servo with the resistor (it struggles somewhat in raising the cannon).
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I don't have much experience with servos at all, & never did a mod to any. The servos I installed in both my HL tanks to get recoil & elevation recently were the first I've ever held in my hands.

So if you take out the electronics from the servo, it just becomes a typical motor, meaning it just keeps turning in one direction according to polarity, without stopping at high & low peaks?

Then in essence, if I'm getting this right, it's just a better movement (by your experience as regards to response time) than the stock HL motor provides, & has a smaller footprint, but not really a servo like action anymore, so if you keep the stick in one direction it will also just cycle the barrel just as the HL stock system. Is this correct?

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 7:15 PM

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Sorry craig, meant Tsulls post about servo hacking

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 7:17 PM

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If you pop out the electronics on a servo, it works great as an electric motor. Hook up the power and negative leads and plug into the Clarke board and you have an instant servo (motor) controlled elevation. Smaller application then the HL cycling mess and much faster response. I tied a 22 ohm resistor to slow down the servo response. I'm going to try a Gear Servo which should move slower and have more torque as I think I choked the power down too much on the servo with the resistor (it struggles somewhat in raising the cannon).
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I don't have much experience with servos at all, & never did a mod to any. The servos I installed in both my HL tanks to get recoil & elevation recently were the first I've ever held in my hands.

So if you take out the electronics from the servo, it just becomes a typical motor, meaning it just keeps turning in one direction according to polarity, without stopping at high & low peaks?

Then in essence, if I'm getting this right, it's just a better movement (by your experience as regards to response time) than the stock HL motor provides, & has a smaller footprint, but not really a servo like action anymore, so if you keep the stick in one direction it will also just cycle the barrel just as the HL stock system. Is this correct?

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yup. The is physical cog that needs to be filed down as well

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 7:49 PM

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Oh yea, forgot the clark had the servo elevation plug in. Now if YHR can get the Benedini to work for turret sounds as well as engine sounds we'll be in business.

Along with the rest of the sounds, I think the turret sounds are very good on the Clark boards, so I'm already in business with just an inexpensive Clark board.

Also, not entirely true regarding the elevation Benny, the Clark TK22 has servo elevation & servo recoil, while the TK20 boards only have servo recoil built into them.

To add servo elevation on a TK20 board you need to do what I did by hooking up a servo directly to the receiver itself, bypassing the board.

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Right on. I'm working on a project that needs the smallest electronics package available and uses unique sound files, not that of a usual 75, 76, 88, etc. So in a perfect world I'd need a TK22 with
the ability to use a benedini for all sounds. For now I'll prob just go with the DBC3/benedini YHR set me up with and use servo's for recoil and elevation. Just gonna have to be careful on the amount of stick travel so the main gun and MG don't fire when I elevate/depress.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/3/2013 7:54 PM

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I didn't remove the cog in the servo that I just hacked. I was using it to drive my elevation so I didn't want it to rotate fully like a motor. I don't know if it really makes a difference as the elevation has stops in it that restrict the movement of the servo motor. My first try was with a Tamiya gear set that I bought for $12. If you haven't played with one, they are fun to put together and work well. The problem was there was just enough slop in the gears and the torque was so strong that once it hit the elevation stops, it started tearing the gears apart.
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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/4/2013 3:44 PM

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Well, I am throwing in the towel with clarks site.....that pretty much means I am giving up trying to get their dam boards running in the e100. From what I can gather, their site takes so long to open, my cable/internet provider drops the connection as not being there .

thanks for all the help guys, good luck with these.......

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 12:36 AM

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well I did not burn up the card or the speaker....the hl volume knob cooked. I got another one from another project and used larger wires to cut resistance.....now the sound is great with my 2.5mm thick styreen speaker box and a sony speaker I got from phill.....I have all the turret action on the left stick and all the hull action on the right stick.....thing still turns like a pig, I still have some issues with the settings with the transmitter.....

since I can not get onto the clark site, I need any info you guys can get on how to hook up the "real recoil" with a hs 81 servo...that and any info on setting up the turret....

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 12:51 AM

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Mustclime did you try using Firefox? I never have any problems using that browser.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 12:54 AM

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well I did not burn up the card or the speaker....the hl volume knob cooked.

Well that's good news, & also one of my very first suggestions I mentioned for you to check, because the sound can't work without a properly working volume pot connected. Besides, if anyone goes through the trouble of adding a better speaker to the system it only makes sense to actually go ahead & replace the junk HL volume pots with a better pot anyway, it will sound even better!

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 2:03 AM

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Mustclime did you try using Firefox? I never have any problems using that browser.

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I updated to Internet explorer 8 and AOL 10.1 ......seems that the problem is my Internet provider.....I use optium cable for it...the problem is how slow the server that Clark uses. It takes so long for the site to respond, that they cut the connection post that the site is not there..........

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 2:22 AM

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Mustclime it is your settings or your internet, My PC, Laptop, Phone and Playbook all load clarks site with a vareity of browsers.
Go into your security settings and lower them just to see if it actually loads the site

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Mustclime did you try using Firefox? I never have any problems using that browser.

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I updated to Internet explorer 8 and AOL 10.1 ......seems that the problem is my Internet provider.....I use optium cable for it...the problem is how slow the server that Clark uses. It takes so long for the site to respond, that they cut the connection post that the site is not there..........

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 4:11 AM

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lol...I need to lower the security settings to read Clark? yea, thats a good idea......not!.....aol replied to my questions about not getting through to Clark by telling me that 10% world wide web identity theft out there is coming out of the wed service these guys are using......If its a choice between throwing 2 Clark boards in the trash or dealing with someone taking 2 loans out on my house because I lowered my security settings for some web site out of china.......guess those boards are toast.....my brother-in-law just spent over 8 grand to clear some overseas identity theft issues...the laws in this country make you the fall guy for someone stealing your identity, not the bank...think about it.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 7:02 AM

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lol...I need to lower the security settings to read Clark? yea, thats a good idea......not!.....aol replied to my questions about not getting through to Clark by telling me that 10% world wide web identity theft out there is coming out of the wed service these guys are using......If its a choice between throwing 2 Clark boards in the trash or dealing with someone taking 2 loans out on my house because I lowered my security settings for some web site out of china.......guess those boards are toast.....my brother-in-law just spent over 8 grand to clear some overseas identity theft issues...the laws in this country make you the fall guy for someone stealing your identity, not the bank...think about it.

No one needs to lower security settings in their browser to visit Clark's site. Besides, the Clark website loads extremely fast, so there is also nothing wrong with their servers that would cause any lengthy time delay for an ISP to drop connections as you implied earlier, & it works just fine for everyone so far but you. The only reason you have a delay & error is because your ISP has apparently banned an entire block of servers provided by a web service which they told you was unsafe.

And I did think about it, so maybe you should too, because it sure doesn't seem like any other ISP services have been banning Clark Models website for any reason with all the other forum members from around the world that use different ISP services to access the site. So either everyone else on all the various tank forums who visited Clark's website over the last year all have very poor or lacking ISP security services, or your service is being overly restrictive without real reason to be that way. You do what you want concerning the boards, but I would get rid of AOL & find another ISP before I got rid of the Clark boards.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 8:58 AM

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Hey Scott, there's a screen cap off the clark site showing which plug the servo recoil goes into

http://rctankregiment.com/rctankforum/download/file.php?id=5209

There's a link giving you the setup information you will need. If you need more info let me know and I'll knock up a PDF or something for you

Ps if that pictures not 100% clear it's the three pin port closest to the white socket the servo connects to.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 9:02 AM

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Btw do you have a cell phone capable of opening web pages? Might be another option.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 2:29 PM

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Well it's not the ISP. I use optimum cable and pinged the site and it's rate is.657 sec. It loads on my screen in less then 2 seconds.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 2:46 PM

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thanks...thats what I needed....what do I do with the other turret functions like gun flash and elevation? The turret already rotates.

Look, I am sure Clark is not at falt....it has to be me, here is what I have...

1 desktop running windows xp with Internet explorer 8, AOL, and Norton with mywarebytes....
1 laptop running windows 7, Internet explorer 8 ,AOL,Norton, spybot...........

they both used to read Clark....now nether of them do

when I go to sign onto clark, the both say "website found waiting for reply"......I get the little circle thingie for a while and then the screen I posted saying the site is not found.....I have asked AOL if its them and they say no, I have asked my cable company if it them and they say no.....I have scanned both computers for anything that could be an issue, looked for bots that could be blocking ether computer, cleaned up the hard drives, looked for registry errors...........in short spent over 5 hours messing with computers instead or working on a tank......since I do not see anyone else having an issue, I think it is my cable company limiting overseas band width.....but that is just a guess as they will not admit it.

Sorry if I have been coming across wrong, I hate eletronics....if anyone asked my opinion, it would have been nice to include instructions with the unit rather than relaying on a web connection...I know thats old fashioned but I am old so IMO its OK to be old fashioned....

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 3:03 PM

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Written instruction cost money to produce and mail. One of the reasons this board is so inexpensive is that Clark is keeping all his costs at a mimimum. He has a website, and is counting on us to some degree to help each other out.

It looks like Freaky is going to be selling these, so that might be an option for you in the future. Get them from Freaky, and then you can get the help you need somewhat locally. It will probasbly end up costing you a few bucks more as I doubt Freaky can ship them for $3.00, but you will have him to lean on to help you through any issues you might have.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 3:30 PM

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Scott, do you need me to print out the instructions and send them to you? PM me with your address if so.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 3:41 PM

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There you go Scott if you need any more let me know

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 4:45 PM

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Mustclime I would ditch Norton, it usually is just a resource hog and not a very good one at that. You could also try clearing your cache which might help if not already done.

Having a brief thread browse I am kind of glad I ditched the chance to supply these. As a retailer you really can't sell a product of dubious functionality as you get lynched for it, or end up out of pocket.

Regarding beta testing, and plug and play. Plug and play is essentially that, you plug it in and it works. Clark admitted in the past he was using the initial batches to test and improve his product. While this might not exactly be the right thing to do he is a small business with investments so really needs to get the return ASAP. As a business selling them I couldn't take the risk.

Regarding software releasing unfinished products, they do take millions now to produce with staff in the 100's based from worldwide offices. Comparing todays software releases, in particular to gaming, with the good old days when things generally worked (unless they were made by Novalogic) isn't quite the same.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 4:55 PM

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Most people are running Clark boards without issue. If you read the thread Scott's issue was an HL volume pot. Trying to install something without instructions is always going to be tricky! Sure there where teething problems in the past but they seem to have been resolved. Where there where issues support from Clark seemed very good.

Just because software has gotten more complicated is not excuse for publishers to pressure studios into releasing unfinished rubbish, see cliffs of Dover and silent hunter 5......

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Mustclime I would ditch Norton, it usually is just a resource hog and not a very good one at that. You could also try clearing your cache which might help if not already done.

Having a brief thread browse I am kind of glad I ditched the chance to supply these. As a retailer you really can't sell a product of dubious functionality as you get lynched for it, or end up out of pocket.

Regarding beta testing, and plug and play. Plug and play is essentially that, you plug it in and it works. Clark admitted in the past he was using the initial batches to test and improve his product. While this might not exactly be the right thing to do he is a small business with investments so really needs to get the return ASAP. As a business selling them I couldn't take the risk.

Regarding software releasing unfinished products, they do take millions now to produce with staff in the 100's based from worldwide offices. Comparing todays software releases, in particular to gaming, with the good old days when things generally worked (unless they were made by Novalogic) isn't quite the same.

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 5:18 PM

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Not sure where you are pulling this from......do I think Clark is without falt....no.....I was kinda surprised they called them selfs tamiya compatible and did not include battle damage power down with the first batch of cards......thats a strike against clark imo....but they seem to have fixed that....the resister limiting ir range(so as to not burn up the hl ir bulb) was also a surprise but they seem to have fixed that as well.....but they seem to be responsive to suggestions for improvement and thats more than I can say about tamiya.

Last night I was drawing out to scale a 1:16 scale E-10 from panzer tracts, you want to know something? There is no way you could run that tank with tamiya guts, they would take up so much space, there would be no room for motors or batteries.....but you could run it with a Clark board....... and have room for the gun workings and a custom battery....you guys out there thinking about a hezter build(or e-25), take note...in this hobby. any options are good optons....I just wish I was better with this wiring stuff..........

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RE: Clark electronics TK20 - 1/5/2013 5:19 PM

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Seems to be quite a few, not life threatening issues. Recalls don't exactly inspire confidence. From emails I had with Clark he has some big plans but I think he needs to concentrate on one product and one product only and make that work. He is very keen to get a product on the market that works though so I am sure his support will always be there. Not much use to a retailer though, not when customers just open Paypal disputes against you without telling you why!

I think the issue with space has killed the Hetzer project we were working on, it basically required everything to be re-made just for this tank, there just wasn't enough room to squeeze everything in to have the functionality expected.

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Just because software has gotten more complicated is not excuse for publishers to pressure studios into releasing unfinished rubbish, see cliffs of Dover and silent hunter 5......

I think it is more complicated than that. Yes publishers do pressure companies to get their work finished, but then again publishers are the ones financing the product in the first place. Without their money, usually paid up front there would be no games at all. Something people never bring up is that when the deals are made they are made on the basis that the design company finishes the product in a certain time. If games get pushed to gold and it is unfinished the issue lies with the software company not doing their jobs. A lot of games are just crap because the company making them didn't think it through.

From recent memory games like Star Trek Online, a huge IP and money maker and the original company spent three years making the game only to have concept art to show for it. As I said you hear a lot of it online, like it is all the publishers fauly "X" product doesn't work, isn't finished etc. very few blame the design house.

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