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ORIGINAL: matt43

Okay just have to ask... Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it! And for those that say well they run lower rpm... The engines at cruise turn 5800.... Just a thought if people trust there lives to it, why not our toys... Also call DA or 3w they say there is nothing wrong with it at all..

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ORIGINAL: Whistling Death

I actually like my engines and that is why I use Stihl HP Ultra.

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ORIGINAL: ahicks

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ORIGINAL: matt43

Okay just have to ask... Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it! And for those that say well they run lower rpm... The engines at cruise turn 5800.... Just a thought if people trust there lives to it, why not our toys... Also call DA or 3w they say there is nothing wrong with it at all..

I've run Amsoil in a lot of other products. Not saying I don't use Amsoil at all. I've been using Amsoil in my sleds almost exclusively for way over 20 years.

My point is I'm not going to run 100:1 oil in my air cooled RC airplane engines. Especially for the fact 32:1 is suggested. What the ultralight guys run in their liquid cooled stuff, what I run in my sleds, or what people prefer in their cars and trucks is hardly relevant to what's going on in these little air cooled engines??

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ORIGINAL: matt43

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ORIGINAL: ahicks

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ORIGINAL: matt43

Okay just have to ask... Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it! And for those that say well they run lower rpm... The engines at cruise turn 5800.... Just a thought if people trust there lives to it, why not our toys... Also call DA or 3w they say there is nothing wrong with it at all..

I've run Amsoil in a lot of other products. Not saying I don't use Amsoil at all. I've been using Amsoil in my sleds almost exclusively for way over 20 years.

My point is I'm not going to run 100:1 oil in my air cooled RC airplane engines. Especially for the fact 32:1 is suggested. What the ultralight guys run in their liquid cooled stuff, what I run in my sleds, or what people prefer in their cars and trucks is hardly relevant to what's going on in these little air cooled engines??

Funny it would be nice for people to know what they are talkin about before they type... Show me an ultralight that is liquid cooled?? Never seen a quick silver with a radiator hangin on it! Heck a P-47 is air cooled! I fly ultralights... Do you??

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ORIGINAL: thepamster

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ORIGINAL: matt43

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ORIGINAL: ahicks

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ORIGINAL: matt43

Okay just have to ask... Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it! And for those that say well they run lower rpm... The engines at cruise turn 5800.... Just a thought if people trust there lives to it, why not our toys... Also call DA or 3w they say there is nothing wrong with it at all..

I've run Amsoil in a lot of other products. Not saying I don't use Amsoil at all. I've been using Amsoil in my sleds almost exclusively for way over 20 years.

My point is I'm not going to run 100:1 oil in my air cooled RC airplane engines. Especially for the fact 32:1 is suggested. What the ultralight guys run in their liquid cooled stuff, what I run in my sleds, or what people prefer in their cars and trucks is hardly relevant to what's going on in these little air cooled engines??

Funny it would be nice for people to know what they are talkin about before they type... Show me an ultralight that is liquid cooled?? Never seen a quick silver with a radiator hangin on it! Heck a P-47 is air cooled! I fly ultralights... Do you??

I am not sure that was called for. Are you defending Amsoil or Ultralites or both.
Funny,  I went to Rotax-owner.com forum so I could  post a link about amsoil and no search results were found. So I question about the 90something percent using that oil in their Rotax engines.
Do YOU fly ultralites?
I doubt very seriously that P47s use Amsoil in that plane either.

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ORIGINAL: jloftin

Why i use AMSOIL products  ?        I have been flying giant scale r/c planes for about ten years now. The first time i saw giant scale planes was around 2002 i went to a giant scale R/C fly-in in Lebanon TN  where i saw many awesome flyers there,  Pros then and now !!!!!!  most of them were flying Carden planes with  DA engines !!        WHEN I SAW THEM   " I WAS HOOKED "  and at the time i didn't know much about any thing that had to do with r/c planes or engines.  I did know i wanted to fly them and loved the scale and design of the planes and OOOHHHH YES THAT AMSOIL STICKER ON THE COWL OF JUST ABOUT ALL OF THERE PLANES ???????????             NOW LET FAST FORWARD 2012    NOW I HAVE THE PLANES I DREAMED OF FLYING !!!!!!!!!!!!   and i have a lot more knowledge about what to use on my planes to make them the best planes i can fly  servos , electronics ,covering, hardware, battery's, plane kits. AND YES    ( ENGINES)  

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I have been using AMSOIL OIL PRODUCTS  for ten years now on my Giant Scale  R/C engines now.   the engines are two -cycle electronic ignitions motors  that operate in ranges from 1:200 to 6:800 rpm with a flying time of about  12 min  i use one pack of the AMSOIL SABER 100:1 premix packet to a gallon of gas this mix will work with  100cc  50cc  30cc motors  and i even break in the motors with this same mix  adjusting the carburetor after about three or four gallons of gas through the motor.  The reason that AMSOIL  is so awesome and easy to use  in 100cc 50cc 30cc is that  it provides optimum protection at 100:1 when the motor manufacturer has specified a 50:1 or 30:1 mix ratio.

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ORIGINAL: ahicks

matt43,
As has been pointed out, you have no clue who you're talking to. Never a good plan to be calling the kettle black online. For all you know I built that 503, or your plane? By the way, what is it that the 503 is bolted to? Please tell me you're not going to cross country a parachute?

Have I flown one? No. The closest I ever got, probably will ever get, was a Piper Tri Pacer I rebuilt from the ground up, then put several hundred hours on. That was one of four other full scale planes I've owned. They had air cooled engines in them too? Have you flown one of those? Really doesn't make a bit of difference, does it?

Regarding my comment, I guess I was only considering 2 stroke ultralights I would even consider stepping a foot in? They would have to have the 582 in them. The rest are a little too ''light'' for me. I've always been a bit bigger and heavier than the FAA ''standard'' (170lb) pilot size!

All that doesn't change my point one iota. I admit freely there are practical applications for Amsoil. I just don't believe this is one of them. IMHO the lube and cooling requirements of a 20cc turning 10K are way different than those in the higher displacements you're considering, while turning less than half that rpm (or whatever! not going to split hairs)....

BTW, do you own a gas powered RC plane?

Regarding reporting what you see in the Ultralight area (if you arrive?)? Maybe just me, but I really don't care what a high time 503 powered aircraft is fed. If I had it though, it darn sure wouldn't be 100:1 anything....
-Al

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ORIGINAL: Ed

Based on what I have read in the Oil Wars, right here over the past 5 years, I have switched to Stihl HP Ultra. From whom I miss dearly, good ole T.O.M., he said that it's a tad better then Redline, and I believe the man. He spoke with great conviction, and he is one of the few who ran the tests, and who knew what he was talking about !

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ORIGINAL: w8ye

For some 25 years I used Lawn Boy at 32:1 in my air cooled engines and I never had any problem using it.

For the last 15 years I've been using Pennsoil aircooled in the air cooled engines and have encountered no problems. The Saito gas engines I run at 20:1 but everything else is 32:1.

I've used Pennsoil water cooled oil in my outboards for 45 years. One of the outboards I have had for 56 years.

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ORIGINAL: Red Raider

I too was an Amsoil dealer. I had 2 brand new CRRC 26s on a Nosen 310. Took it to the field to run in the engines. I had been told that at 100:1 the engines would be fine. BS. In the first 5 minutes I had wrecked the bearings in one of the engines, and nearly torched the other. After $175 to rebuild the trashed engine, not to mention putting off the maiden flight of my new plane for a month, I dropped my dealership, and never recommend to anyone that they try to use Amsoil, or any other oil for that matter at any mixture less than 32:1. Having said that, I get 12,000 miles between oil changes in my powerstroke diesel pickup using Amsoil synthetic motor oil. It is just not possible to use that lean of a mixture no matter how good the oil. And no matter who tries to tell you.

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ORIGINAL: Luchnia

My guess would be that you know how to tune and properly run your engines. I salute you. I have run and built engines most of my life and have run engines in some rather extreme circumstances. Longevity alone shows that you know reasonable proper usage. It is really simple, isn't it?