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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 8:42 PM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 8:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry about your engine problems red      as for me i have been using the amsoil product for ten years now never had a problem and also send my engines in ever two years to serviced and have never had to replace any internal engine parts      factory's call ????????

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 8:55 PM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 8:59 PM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 9:05 PM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 9:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		THAT IS 100000000000000000000000000000 PERCENT TRUE        GREAT ANSWER  CALL THE ENGINE BUILDERS GET THE WRIGHT TUNING INFORMATION      RUN THE WRIGHT PROPS
    USE GOOD OIL    USE GOOD FUEL ADDITIVE       MAKE SURE THE COOLING OF THE ENGINE IS PROPER IN THE COWL  
CHECK YOUR ENGINE TEMPS     AND SERVICE YOUR ENGINES AT LEAST EVERY THREE YEARS FROM THE BUILDER     CHECK PLUG GAP



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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 9:09 PM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 9:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Pamster       I really just would like to educate people on the AMSOIL product There are a lot of reasons that people have problems with there engines But it seams funny to me that people still come up to me and ask me if i can tune there engines at the field during fly-ins???????  HELP IT DOESN'T RUN WRIGHT Its not the oil its the operator AND YES AT FIRST I HAD MY ENGINE PROBLEMS?????  Always find someone who has been flying gas engines for along time they can usually help    MMMMMMMmmmmm m Maybeeee      CALL THE ENGINE BUILDER

AS FOR THE FORUM     yes i use AMSOIL i fly for amsoil and i would tell any one to use the product i stand behind it and i hope this information can help others to understand proper oil mixing and engine tuning

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 11:11 PM   
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Hi Bill here is how you make that engine run even better and get rid of even more of that carbon and gumming on those rings


AMSOIL QUICK SHOT : it is a Fuel additive that help get rid of the gum varnish and carbon as well as water build up that is caused by the alcohol in gas today as well as the sludge in the gas when you get it from the pumps !!!!!!!!! This will make that piston a lot cleaner and get rid of the carbon as well the gold color is from gumming sludge and water as well as the carbon gum build up on the rings


Thank you for the tip. I will see if I can find a source.

I should mention that the "gum varnish and carbon" you see in the included pictures I consider the cost of doing business in a premix 2 cycle engine. Every 2C engine I've seen torn down has it. From large marine outboards to small model engines, you'll always see some build up. My experience is that it builds to a point fairly quickly but then never gets any worse. In the instance of the engine pictured, the ring is very free and moves freely in it's grove. I will look at it again in another 10 -20 hours to check but I'm pretty sure I know what I'll find. Contrary to what other have found, the deposits in my Amsoil engines are very soft and come off quite easily... if you think they need to be removed.

Attached is another picture of the same engine. I consider this to be an excessive amount of "goo" on a piston but I also consider it "healthy" goo. This engine has been slow to break in and never had good compression cold. It is not a good "hand starter" but performs flawlessly with the help of the "persuader" (Dynatron). I interpret all this to say the ring is not well seated and the look of the piston seem to confirm this. Even so, even with some blow-by, this engine runs well and shows no signs of premature failure. It just need more (hard) running. This is not a criticism of Amsoil. Quite the opposite. It suggest that even with a less than perfect fit of piston, sleeve, and ring, all is well.

Also, look in the case. It's clean, bright, and shinny.

Lastly, I only run gas with no alcohol. What you see in the pictures is the results of running alcohol free, clean, 93 octane pump gas. Because I run the same premix in many different engines, my fuel turns over fairly quickly and doesn't sit in my shop for more than a few months. Even so, I also add fuel stabilizer in the odd chance the fuel gets left in one of my toys for a longer period of time.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/12/2012 11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can I find a station that has alcohol free gas or should I say what company offers it. Next question, is there any benefit using 93 vs 87 in an r/c aircraft motor ? I had heard that the 93 burns slower and would not be worth the extra cost running it in an r/c motor. Just looking for answers and learning.
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:20 AM   
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How can I find a station that has alcohol free gas or should I say what company offers it?


Google: "gas stations in meridian ms without alcohol" End up here: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MS I use the station on hwy 39. It's a Shell station but the decision to include ethyl alcohol is up to each station... or so I'm told. Most stations that don't have alcohol usually have a sign out on the street.

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Next question, is there any benefit using 93 vs 87 in an r/c aircraft motor ? I had heard that the 93 burns slower and would not be worth the extra cost running it in an r/c motor.


Good question. The answer is that it often is not beneficial. In fact it might lead to slower burning and could lead to less power and more carbon. Only higher compression engine need higher octane. My decision to run 93 octane comes from the simple fact that I run my premix in many different engines some of which do have higher compression and do specify premium fuel. I justify the higher cost of 93, even in engines that could run 87 fuel, with the thought that I don't really run that much in my 2C engines and by using a single fuel, I turn over that fuel quicker. If I had a jug of 87 and a jug of 93 premix, each would get used 1/2 as fast.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:30 AM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:33 AM   
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! USE THIS IT WILL MAKE YOUR MOTOR RUN BETTER COOLER CLEANER AND KEEP THE PARTS IN PEAK OPERATING CONDITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://ww2.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/fuel-additives/gasoline/quickshot/?GroupID=952

ABOUT $143.00 A GALLON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN SEE WHY ALL THE SHOUTING AND EXCIMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:46 AM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 5:32 AM   
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Funny it would be nice for people to know what they are talkin about before they type.... Heck a P-47 is air cooled!


WRONG! The P-47 had a radiator the size of a barn door right behind the prop.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 6:28 AM   
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 8:13 AM   
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Next question, is there any benefit using 93 vs 87 in an r/c aircraft motor ? I had heard that the 93 burns slower and would not be worth the extra cost running it in an r/c motor.


Same question answered again.... Some engine specify higher octane. CRRC Pro is one that typically does. See below PDF page 3. There is more opportunity for damage running low octane fuel in an engine that specifies high octane than the other way around. Engines tuned to run on low octane fuel don't run better on high octane fuel but they are not damaged by doing so either.

Page 3 -> http://ak-models.com/ARF%20Manuals/GF50IManual.pdf
Page 14 -> http://m.stihlusa.com/WebContent/CMSFileLibrary/instructionmanuals/BG_56_66_86_SH_56_86_Manual.pdf

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 8:14 AM   
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Thanks. What is dealer cost on Quick Shot?

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 11:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I keep seeing this pointed out, Follow the builders/manufacturers tuning instructions. Now if I do this the first thing its going to tell me most of the time is to run 32:1 for break in and 40:1-50:1 after broken in. If some one is to do what the engine builder wants they will not be running @ 100:1 anything. If I go to the local store I can probably find Penzoil, Stihl, Belray, Redline or one of many other oils. I keep fresh pump gas , mix this at 40:1 , no additives. I now have a problem free inexpensive fuel to run my planes and my leaf blower.

Where is the advantage?

It seems like over the years more people have experienced problems with Amsoil then any other oil. If its the mix, or the tuning , or the fuel, temp, what ever, seems to be producing the highest failure rates.

Ok, last thing!

I set up my plane, mix my 100:1, tune the engine perfect , everything is right. After x amount of flights my engine fails. Now I'm not saying it was the oils fault just that it failed. I send it in providing all the information the vendor requires and they decide not warranty it because of the fuel oil mix, who is going to fix my engine?

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:32 PM   
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I set up my plane, mix my 100:1, tune the engine perfect , everything is right. After x amount of flights my engine fails. Now I'm not saying it was the oils fault just that it failed. I send it in providing all the information the vendor requires and they decide not warranty it because of the fuel oil mix, who is going to fix my engine?


We should always run recommended oils during any manufacture warranty period and really even after that, however what you do after warranty period is on the consumer. The manufacturer has every right NOT to honor warranty if instructions are not followed precisely. If the manufacturer states to run oil brand x at ratio x, then to do so would be wise. Amsoil could be the best thing since sliced bread but if the manufacturer does not recognize the mix ratio as adequate then it should not be run.

100:1 is recommended by some manufacturers but not by others. Personally I do not run that ratio on new engines during break in or during the early stages of engine life. Once an engine is thoroughly broken in it is probably fine, however I would still make sure the manufacturer has it implicity stated that the oil is approved to run. Some manufacturers are good with Amsoil and recommend it.

Another thing I think is rather insteresting and that is why would Amsoil need to make a product to reduce carbon build up. Isn't that like saying, my oil is not adequate and needs an additional product to reduce the carbon you get while running my oil? I wonder how they answer that question? If I were an Amsoil-aholic I would be asking that question to Amsoil.

Oh btw, I do run Amsoil and other oils and have used Amsoil for years although in some cases I have not really seen the benefits for the additional cost of some of their oils.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 12:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had an F150 with close to 300,000 miles on it running Amsoil, so I'm not against it. Like you said there are manufacturers that recommend it. If I have been running an engine for two or three years with out it do to manufacturers warranty with out any problem, I see no reason to use it after the warranty is up.

Like you stated, why the extra carbon reducing product?

Keep it simple, should not need to be using a recipe or special formula to run an engine.

When I had my Banshee I bought a couple quarts of Torco synthetic, no problems. When that's gone I will more then likely just stop at the mower shop and pick something up. I know I have only been working on two strokes for about 35 years, but someday I'll figure it out.

Back in the day you would just get the trusty SAE 30 non detergent and you were good to go. That was before my time though .

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 2:39 PM  1 votes
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Don't listen to Jloftin above about mixing it at 50:1 or 30:1!!!!! You can not I have made that mistake its not an oil to mix rich it won't work you will have black crap thats nearly impossible to remove from your covering and you will carbon up and stick rings losing compression (I had to put a new ring in a almost new Zenoah due to it and gummed up another motor using this stuff at 32:1), its only made to run at 100:1 if you mix it richer I would not go any richer than 80:1. Other oils you can mix richer (Stihl Ultra HP highly recommended after bad experience with Amsoil)

As for using it at 100:1 I cant comment never have done it and he may be right you may get away with it but I will let others experiment with that.


Yes I do agree with this comment....been there done that!
For the last few years running a DA 50 and DLE's I have gone back to what I have run in my chain saws and weed whackers without any troubles for many years......just plain old "Stinl"l mixed 40:1.
At the last warbird fly-in guys were asking me, " what you got in there for a motor...man that thing runs perfect".

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No ! You are wrong ! The P-47 had a Pratt & Whitney Wasp 18 cylinder air cooled engine. Any radiator that you saw was used for oil cooling. Why can't people be more careful of what they say, and stop misleading people ? [>:] Like that Loftin Amsoil salesman .

Well ..... you're both right ...... and both wrong to a degree. While the cylinders and top end of the big Pratt is air cooled, that big oil cooler probably accounts for half or more of the total engine cooling and all of the internal components cooling. I've heard it argued that these big engines are really oil cooled but that might be a stretch.

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Back in the day you would just get the trusty SAE 30 non detergent and you were good to go. That was before my time though .


I may be dating myself slightly. I am not ancient by any means - only 58 this year, yet I do remember running SAE 30 non-detergent oil in all our two strokers. Stuff smelled horrible and burned your eyes!

One of the main reasons we used it was because you just used one type of oil in everything. You could put in your chainsaws, truck engines, tractor, car, mix it with gas and burn brush rows, rub the hounds down with it to kill fleas, dip the young pigs in it, etc. I would have stated use it for weed-wackers but they were not around back in those days. You chopped weeds with a swing blade.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/13/2012 7:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a half quart of that junk amsoil that I quit using. Wont even put it in my snowblower. Time to dump it in the oil recycle barrel. Only it will probably degrade the used oil!!!!!! We use redline and stihl oil now.

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