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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 5:11 PM

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Okay just have to ask... Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it! And for those that say well they run lower rpm... The engines at cruise turn 5800.... Just a thought if people trust there lives to it, why not our toys... Also call DA or 3w they say there is nothing wrong with it at all..

It is puzzling why some user groups hate Amsoil while other user groups trust their very lives to it.

I've used Amsoil Sabre in my two-stroke lawn equipment for over ten years now and have not had any kind of a problem that I could attribute to using inferior oil.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 5:18 PM

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The more oil you use the cooler the engine will run. Oil carries the heat away.
If you use 100:1 you need to cover two basic rules. 1 Proper tuning 2. Proper cooling.
But of course tuning and cooling rule of thumb goes for any engine.

If I remember correctly Ralph Cunningham runs all his race engines at 32:1.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 9:26 PM

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The more oil you use the cooler the engine will run. Oil carries the heat away.
If you use 100:1 you need to cover two basic rules. 1 Proper tuning 2. Proper cooling.
But of course tuning and cooling rule of thumb goes for any engine.

If I remember correctly Ralph Cunningham runs all his race engines at 32:1.

I'm not sure that oil that combusts in a gasser carries away heat quite like the excessive amounts of oil that flow through glo engines. It certainly can't hurt anything though and many tests have proven that more oil = more power. 32:1 for me as I just can't see where using less oil accomplishes anything in our engines.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 9:41 PM

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DOMINATOR IS A VERY GOOD OIL ALSO I HAVE USED IT AS WEll USING AMSOIL DOMINATOR YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE MIX RATIOS
IN THE OWNERS MANUALLY THE SYNTHETIC MAKE UP OF THAT OIL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE AMSOIL SABER 100:1 OIL ALSO CHECK
INTO USING THE QUICK SHOT IT IS THE BEST GAS ADDITIVE THAT I HAVE EVER USED !!!!

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 10:32 PM

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DOMINATOR IS A VERY GOOD OIL ALSO I HAVE USED IT AS WEll USING AMSOIL DOMINATOR YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE MIX RATIOS
IN THE OWNERS MANUALLY THE SYNTHETIC MAKE UP OF THAT OIL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE AMSOIL SABER 100:1 OIL ALSO CHECK
INTO USING THE QUICK SHOT IT IS THE BEST GAS ADDITIVE THAT I HAVE EVER USED !!!!

THANK YOU JAY LOFTIN

YOU TYPE LARGE LETTER YOU ARE MUST BE RELIYBLE SORCE FOR OIL AND VERY INFORMATIVE TO US ALL.......

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 11:00 PM

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 11:07 PM

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PLEASE someone shoot this forum and lets go argue about something else.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/17/2012 11:53 PM

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SAME HERE ED I USE IT IN EVERY 2-STROKE ENGINE I HAVE AND THE QUICK SHOT ALSO !! MOTORS START WRIGHT UP AND MY NEIGHBORS MOTORS AS WELL . THEY PULLED ON THERE CORDS TILL THEY TURNED BLUE IN THE FACE

ALSO HERE IS A TECH TIP ....... PRIME YOUR MOTOR GOOD ON CHOKE,,,,,,,,,,,, NOW PULL CORD.................WHEN ENGINE TRY S TO TURN OVER
PUT CHOKE LEVER IN.... RUN..... POSITION JUST LIKE R/C GAS ENGINES.............. PULL CORD AGAIN ENGINE SHOULD START WRIGHT UP ?????????? TURN YOUR BLOWER OR WEED EATER UPSIDE DOWN AND LIGHTLY GIVE IT GAS WHEN IT FIRST STARTS IT WILL BURN THE CHOKE
GAS THAT YOU FIRST PRIME IN THE ENGINE AND KEEP YOUR MOTOR FROM STALLING YOU KNOW HOW THEY LIKE TO HESITATE WHEN YOU FIRST START THEM ????????????? UP SIDE DOWN SHOULD HELP IF YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM

THANX AGAIN ED JAY LOFTIN

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 2:40 AM

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I work on powersports toys like cycles, atvs, snowmobiles, outboards and pwc for a living, plus i also fly ultralights and light sport aircraft with the rotax engines like 447s, 503 and 582 engines. i often hear customers complain that their oil is the cause of burning up pistons or crankshafts, 9 times out of 10, its the idiot who is twisting the throttle on the engine and have absolutely no clue on 2 stroke tuning or running. last year i rebuilt a ski doo mxz 700 for a guy, both new jugs,pistons and crankshaft, the sled came back to me within 2 days with damaged pistons on both cylinders because the idiot didn't know enough to warm the engine up thoroughly before hitting the trail, the pistons had cold seized and stuck the rings, he was complaining about the oil being crap when in fact it was his fault for not warming the engine up. And i have personally witnessed numerous engine teardowns on the ultralights from my flying field, 1 guy had an engine seizure over the wisconsin river and he ended up in the drink, he was running the amsoil at 100/1 when it happened and in this case i believe the lack of oil killed this engine from the damaged i have seen on the pistons he had been running 50/1 ratio pennzoil air cooled oil for a couple of years before he switched over to 100/1 ratio amsoil, that engine was on its 2nd tank of 100/1 fuel when that happened. I rebuilt the engine for him with a new crankshaft and he has over 260 trouble free hours so far running pennzoil at 50/1 another flyer had a 503 powered challenger that he built new, this brand new engine had less than 50 hours on it before engine seized on him, (100/1 amsoil again) plane was damaged beyond repair. I have another guy at the field who ran 50/1 klotz oil with castor through his newly freshened up 503 in his flightstar that he had just bought, 25-30 hours later the engine was getting hard to start and he stated it didn't have the power it used to have when new, upon disassembly, the pistons were carboned up so severely it stuck both rings. he freshened the engine up again with new pistons and is running trouble free with the pennzoil 50/1 mix. I have just over 800 hours of flight time behind rotax 2 strokes in 3 different aircraft ( 2 447s with premixed 50/1 pennzoil and oil injected 582 with pennzoil again) amsoil is probably fine at 50/1 ratio but i sure as hell won't trust my life to 100/1 ratio of any brand of oil, it just isn't enough protection

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 5:55 AM

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Instead of another sales pitch, why don't you explain exactly how Amsoil 2 stroke will show me a significant, tangible advantage over other oils? A side by side engine shootout would go along way to convincing your peers. Maybe we could get R/C Model Review to do it!

What we want here are hard facts sans the smoke blowing (another pun, whoopee!).

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 7:07 AM

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To be completely honest with you, it would be a cold day in Hell before you will see me trusting my posterior to any two-stroke engine, regardless of brand or type of oil.

I'm not the kind of guy that invests thousands of dollars in two-stroke engines of any kind. They are near throw aways when brand new as far as I'm concerned, so I don't expect years and years of service from them, which is why I don't buy the expensive ones. Ring-da-ding-ding-ding.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 7:14 AM

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Instead of another sales pitch, why don't you explain exactly how Amsoil 2 stroke will show me a significant, tangible advantage over other oils? A side by side engine shootout would go along way to convincing your peers. Maybe we could get R/C Model Review to do it!

What we want here are hard facts sans the smoke blowing (another pun, whoopee!).

And with the caps lock OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If all your posts weren't a blatant sales pitch (with little or no information, just "Amsoil is the best!") and in all caps, I don't think things would be going this bad for you...

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 12:17 PM

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Instead of another sales pitch, why don't you explain exactly how Amsoil 2 stroke will show me a significant, tangible advantage over other oils? A side by side engine shootout would go along way to convincing your peers. Maybe we could get R/C Model Review to do it!

What we want here are hard facts sans the smoke blowing (another pun, whoopee!).

This would be a good test and the scenario must have the same engines and all conditions much match as close as possible. Engine test, unless done in a controlled environment, are difficult to pull off with decent measurable results. I remember back in the day dyno testing some engines and there was a marked difference in testing on rainy days verses dry days with dust blowing all around. Some of those dusty days resulted in some light scored engines when pulled down. So even hard facts might not include all the variables without a proper test bed. I still would like to see results from a solid test.

Also there is a huge difference in engines. High quality two stroke engines have better material in the bores, better bearings, etc. and that alone changes how well an engine will do on various oils. Throw some cheap oil in a cheap crapo two stroke and it should show you quickly just how bad it is. This is one reason it is hard to trust anything anybody states on these forums unless you have first hand knowledge of what they are using. There are certainly folks that have used Amsoil successfully in two strokes for years with excellent results.

Let's see what JLoft COMES UP WITH - SALES PITCH ARE HARD FACTS?

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 1:33 PM

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Those look like Pennzoil ducks. Do they belong on an AMSOIL commercial??

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 2:47 PM

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jloftin, I wouldn't buy anything from you. You are obnoxious, you can't spell and you are skirting the forum rules to sell your product.

I vote for admins to lock this thread.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 2:55 PM

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these oil war forums are pure bs, it is always my brand is best, your brand is junk.just use what you want and be done with it, if it works for you fine. it is a 50/50 argument, always was and always will be. if you are new to gas, call the manufacture and ask what he suggests. 32-1 and you won't go wrong, regardless of what brand r/c engine you are using. whenever a motor is fried there are to many unknown variables we never hear about, and it is always blamed on the oil.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 3:08 PM

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DOMINATOR IS A VERY GOOD OIL ALSO I HAVE USED IT AS WEll USING AMSOIL DOMINATOR YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE MIX RATIOS
IN THE OWNERS MANUALLY THE SYNTHETIC MAKE UP OF THAT OIL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE AMSOIL SABER 100:1 OIL ALSO CHECK
INTO USING THE QUICK SHOT IT IS THE BEST GAS ADDITIVE THAT I HAVE EVER USED !!!!

THANK YOU JAY LOFTIN

and another thing , whever a new product/mfg. appears and claims it is the best thing since sliced bread and will work wonders (BEWARE) imho there are a few good additives around but most are just snake oils or feel good remedies

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 5:02 PM

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Life would be much too easy if you did not have snake oil salesmen

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 5:04 PM

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Has anyone looked at ultralights?? 99% of rotax 2 strokes run amsoil at 100:1 they trust there asses to it!

Absolutely untrue, amsoilj/jloftin. Everyone I know with a 2-stroke ultralight uses : Pennzoil for Aircooled, Stihl HP, anything other than!

What do engine shops call Amsoil users?

Customers !

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 5:30 PM

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Who in their right mind would run an air cooled 2-smoke at 100:1 ?

That's just silly no matter what the manufacturer claims. Silly...

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 5:49 PM

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I think the ducks are rogue ducks and they just do what they want!

Amsoil guy did say one several accounts gas is the problem here. I think gas is way over rated, something we could do with out. If you just sit back and look at your plane it will never crash or fail. If you did this you could sit back with any kind of beverage you want and never have a problem. Heck, you wouldn't even need to waste the time or money for good batteries, why even use an engine? The plane would just be pretty as a picture if you left that dirty old gas out of her. Think of the many hours of conversation of what could have been? All the enjoyment of how nice this plane is and how many years it's been around with not even one crash? No hazards or obstacles, no brown out issues, or receivers heating up, no wondering about what caused what? A thing of beauty I tell you!

That's it, don't need no stinking additives or 100:1, just don't do it! Gas is the enemy my friends, stay clear!!

If this don't work for you I suggest Coleman fuel with lawn boy @ 32:1

Ok, I think that fits in with this thread just fine.

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 8:06 PM

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So how about those electric planes

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 8:22 PM

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So how about those electric planes ????

You mean the silent slicers

We have had 3 guys in our club get cut up VERY badly

with electrics. You don't usually have that much trouble with a glow or gas, at least you can see and HEAR them running.
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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 8:34 PM

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So how about those electric planes ????

Just make sure you run AMSOIL QUACK SHOT @ $743.00 a gallon in your electric planes and your are good-to-go!

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RE: AMSOIL SABER 100:1 PRE MIX SYNTHETIC 2-CYCLE OIL AN... - 7/18/2012 9:11 PM

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New and improved "Lighning Bolt" battery dip! Now you only have to charge your batteries once a year.

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