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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 9/14/2012 5:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		i found a website that sells kv2 turrent upgrades for heng long. as im ordering my first rc tank which will be the kv1 tommorrow first off should i spend the money and get the metal tracks or could i start with the super version. Also i was wondering would it be to advanced for me to put the kv2 turrent on the tank as im a beginner to rc even though im very good with regular 1/35 tank models  

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 4:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been a long time since I posted anything about the progress of either of my tanks. They both kind of stalled as I waited for parts & was testing the new Clark TK20 boards.

I've got some things done on my KV-1 recently though, started preping the interrior of the lower hull by cutting out the battery box & other protrusions from the bottom area. Now I can put down some extra plasticard & flatten the hull out before repositioning everything, hopefully with a tidier look when I'm all done.

I finally got a few servos too, needed them to use with the Clark board's recoil servo connector, & just installed one Hitec servo tonight into the KV-1 turret after modifying the Heng Long stock recoil unit some first. I'll have some pictures of the work later, but for now I did make a quickie video of the end result showing the new recoil working.

I also mounted both the IR LED & Flash LED inside the main gun barrel about 9mm from the end of the barrel.

Video isn't great quality ....




Now I need to get back to work & get the lower hull all done so I can finish getting everything back together & have a working tank again!

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 5:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		It looks really good.

It's too bad that something couldn't be done to have a really loud firing sound. The sound of the shell being loaded shouldn't be the same volume as the gun firing. Not hating on your build at all. Just a thought that came to mind.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 7:08 AM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 8:26 AM   
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Been a long time since I posted anything about the progress of either of my tanks. They both kind of stalled as I waited for parts & was testing the new Clark TK20 boards.

I've got some things done on my KV-1 recently though, started preping the interrior of the lower hull by cutting out the battery box & other protrusions from the bottom area. Now I can put down some extra plasticard & flatten the hull out before repositioning everything, hopefully with a tidier look when I'm all done.

I finally got a few servos too, needed them to use with the Clark board's recoil servo connector, & just installed one Hitec servo tonight into the KV-1 turret after modifying the Heng Long stock recoil unit some first. I'll have some pictures of the work later, but for now I did make a quickie video of the end result showing the new recoil working.

I also mounted both the IR LED & Flash LED inside the main gun barrel about 9mm from the end of the barrel.

Video isn't great quality ....




Now I need to get back to work & get the lower hull all done so I can finish getting everything back together & have a working tank again!

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Looked really cool to me, the motion looks really nice do you have a picture of these servos, where you get them and the cost



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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 8:54 AM   
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It looks really good.

It's too bad that something couldn't be done to have a really loud firing sound. The sound of the shell being loaded shouldn't be the same volume as the gun firing. Not hating on your build at all. Just a thought that came to mind.

Perry
 

I can't really say I disagree with your statement Perry. I've discussed the sound volume recording level issues, which I believed several of the sounds had, with Clark over a few emails. I believe it would have made the boards a lot better if some of the peak recorded levels for some of the sounds were just altered a bit. I told Clark that I thought the main gun sound should always over power any other sound the board can make, at any time.

Sounds are tricky though, as the higher frequency sounds can be very loud when you're close (like in my video), but even if you keep the same volume level setting, they may not sound that loud at all from just a short distance away, whereas the lower frequency sounds keep their sound levels up so they are more distinguishable over the same distance. The other thing you notice with the boards, is that the higher frequency sounds also seem to disappear quite quickly (and some almost completely) as soon as the engine is started & idling.

For a quick look at the sounds on this particular TK20E-RU board, this would be my wish list ....
1.) Engine idle peak recorded sound lowered another 25%-35% ... or at least low enough so that every other sound the tank makes can be easily & clearly heard when the engine is idling.
2.) Much louder peak recorded main gun firing sound.
3.) Slightly softer peak recorded loading sound

 
For me, the engine idle sound was just way too loud & was the bigger issue, as it almost over powers all the other sounds. Even though a majority of the other sounds can still be heard when the engine is also idling, they are far too muffled or quiet in comparison to how loud the simple engine idle sound was for this board.

The main gun firing sound in my opinion should have a peak recorded level much higher than anything else, so it would stand out a lot more prominently, all the time, & the shell loading sound lowered a bit in volume as well.

I think if just those few sound issues (at least I believe they are issues) were corrected, I wouldn't just like the sounds, I would love the sounds! Regardless, they still kick-ašš compared to any of the Heng Long sounds!!!

Don't get me wrong though, it's a critique I can live with for the price & all the functionality I get with the boards, but still, regardless of the low cost & great hardware, this was one of those issues which could be easily fixed just remixing the sounds with corrected peak recorded levels, so each one not only sounds good alone, but also sounds more realistic when playing & meshing with the other sounds on the board too.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 2:22 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 2:35 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 3:48 PM   
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Looked really cool to me, the motion looks really nice do you have a picture of these servos, where you get them and the cost

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what kind of speaker are you using?


The servo I used was the Hitec HS-50:


The speaker I'm using is the Visaton FR8 - 8 OHM:
FR8

8 cm (3.3") fullrange speaker with good bass reproduction, balanced frequency response and high efficiency.
Especially suitable as built-in speaker for music reproduction and as driver for 100 V network column speakers.

Typical applications:
- Narrow network column speakers
- Control speaker for electronic devices
- Ceiling-mounted speakers in railway carriages and busses
- Electronic musical instruments

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Rated power 10 W
Maximum power 15 W
Nominal impedance Z 8 Ohm
Frequency response 130–20000 Hz



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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 3:52 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/8/2012 6:20 PM   
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I think it looks and sounds awesome. I really like the shell ejecting and new round going in the chamber. Just sounds soooo cool.

Jim

Yes, the sounds are pretty good, but could sound much better with just some tweaking. The ejection/loading sound is cool, but it's almost unnoticeable when the tank engine is just idling.

Here is a more complete sound test I had done earlier after first getting the board.




I guess we should take into account that my FR-8 speaker is just in a make-shift sealed (using hot glue) 2-ply cardboard box, & not in a decent speaker box. Not sure, but this may effect the low frequencies (like main gun) in a more negative way than the higher ones. Granted, many times video sound is distorted & doesn't quite sound exactly like what you hear in person, though this was fairly close. I really won't know the full extent of how it sounds until I have the tank completely assembled back together again, & running it outside like it's meant to run.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/9/2012 12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow again the sounds are incredible. I also really like the turret rotation sound. Don't think KV 1's or even T-34's had electric traverse, just had cranks. So I can just imagine Ivan cranking that handwheel like all get out ,LOL I wonder if you could put a seperate potntiameter in line from the engine circuit?

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/9/2012 4:44 PM   
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Wow again the sounds are incredible. I also really like the turret rotation sound. Don't think KV 1's or even T-34's had electric traverse, just had cranks. So I can just imagine Ivan cranking that handwheel like all get out ,LOL I wonder if you could put a seperate potntiameter in line from the engine circuit?

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Though the KV-1 had a hand cranking system for the turret for fine gun sight tuning or emergency use (like most WWII tanks), I believe it also had an electric motor to turn it normally. Anyone with an accepted verified source which will answer that question, a link would be great.

Unfortunately, from what I know, there is no way to separate the engine sounds from the other sounds on these TK20 boards, to specifically be able to lower just the engine volume, at least not by using something as simple as a pot. That's OK, I think I can live with it.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/9/2012 5:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		So whats the status of these Clark boards? Are they available in mass yet?..I've emailed Clark a couple of times and they never get back to me. I would like to try one in my Panther if I can get my hands on one. Do you need an aftermarket transmitter or can you use the factory HL?...

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/9/2012 6:04 PM   
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So whats the status of these Clark boards? Are they available in mass yet?..I've emailed Clark a couple of times and they never get back to me. I would like to try one in my Panther if I can get my hands on one. Do you need an aftermarket transmitter or can you use the factory HL?...

On Clarks website all the ordering information is listed on how to do it through email.

If you sent just a question email, unfortunately they can be a little slow in responding, & sometimes you need to send the questions a few times before getting the answers. But if you sent an actual order as they describe how to do on their on-line order page, then I'm not sure why they wouldn't get back to you at all.

I'm not sure how "available in mass" any of the particular version boards are, as I'm not sure what quantity he creates with each batch he has manufactured, but the on-line order page shows the restock / instock information of what should be able to be ordered at any time.

As for the controller question, I'm even a little hazy on specifics anymore because Clark's board versions had been changing so quickly, & the website information was changed so often without keeping some of the original information as comparison. So for the TK20 series boards he used to make a version TK20-H board specifically for use with the Heng Long factory controllers, but I don't believe that version is available anymore for purchase.

He shows the new TK20E boards to be compatible with "Traditional 4-CH AM, FM or 2.4G RC system", but looking at the board itself I'm fairly sure you cannot just use the stock HL Tx/Rx with it. So Clark would be better suited to definitely answer that question if there is a board that will work with the stock HL controllers anymore.

The same on-line order page does show a list of currently tested compatible Tx/Rx systems (AM/FM/2.4GHz), that are all known to work well with the TK20E boards. As I posted in a couple threads here on the forum before, the controller I'm using is the FlySky CT6B 2.4GHz Tx/Rx combo with my TK20E boards, as it was inexpensive & worked perfectly!

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 6:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		So I had done a little (very little ) work on the KV-1 hull to get it ready for all the new installing I'll have to do, like mounting the new Clark board, battery, new speaker system, new smoker .... here's just a simple compare shot of before / after of the lower hull with some of the interior plastic cut out . Now I need to glue in some heavy plasticard, in that whole area ... thinking about using 1.5mm or 2mm thickness. I'm also going to cut off all those plastic gearbox mounts on the far left side of the hull, then build that all up with plasticard too so the gearbox plates will mount more securely & flat instead of up on little pegs.





I also decided to try testing a dual speaker box setup, using twin Visaton SC5.9 8006 10W 8 Ohm speakers in parallel, making the impedance 4 Ohms total for the setup.
I made a fairly airtight box out of 1.5mm plasticard to mount them into, which will fit up in the front of the KV-1. The second picture shows the comparison between the dual SC5.9 speakers & a single FR-8 speaker ...   yes, the FR-8 is sitting in a cardboard box made mostly airtight using hot glue, which I quickly fashioned just for some sound testing purposes .... laugh if you must at that marvelous workmanship, but it actually sounded quite a bit better than the bare speaker lying in the hull of the tank without it!!!






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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 6:36 AM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 7:42 AM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 9:23 AM   
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can't wait to hear this when it starts

I'll be making a new video with that dual speaker setup when I get the chance, & preliminary testing seemed like there was a noticeable difference compared to the single FR-8. Unfortunately I don't have any similar spec 4 Ohm speakers to use in a single setup to test against this dual setup.

Dan, I saw your video of the Clark / Benedini combo posted in your other thread already, & I can say the Benedini is always impressive, so I understand why some people must have them at any cost. However, I'm not interested in adding the huge expense of a Benedini mini to my own Clark boards, because even though I believed the Clark board's sounds could originally use some tweaking, for me the sounds are still good enough that they don't warrant me spending almost twice as much for a sound board as it cost for the Clark board itself. I'd rather have 2 more Clark boards to be used in 2 more tanks. 

Clark had already lowered the engine idle sounds in the TK20E-US board I received, & has recently told me he will use the same volume configuration with all the other boards now too.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 12:51 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 2:13 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 5:25 PM   
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I absolutely understand. But not eveyone is about volume of tanks they want to own. I am just pointing out that if you are not buying the Clark, because you can't customize the sounds to your liking then the Benedini can be used to bring the sound level to a higher level. This doesn't have to be this or that, in can be this and that. Again the Benedini is plug and play and maybe you only want one to move between Clark equipped tanks. Just pointing out there are options to just having to live with Clark sounds. Don't get me wrong they are not bad, but if you are looking for something different then you don't have to think you have painted yourself into a corner with a Clark Board.

You have been very good at pointing out some current issues, and I have noticed Clark does listen and make changes, so hopefully this sound volume ratio gets looked at. Also that Demo I showed was a Leopard 1, so again people have another option to use the Clark board in a tank that he does not yet have a sound set for.

It might not interest you now ,but once all your tanks have a Clark board in them then what? People who are looking at the Clark should know there are other things you can do and a device you can buy that will enhance the sound ability if that is what you are looking for.

Good review of the sounds.

Dan I did buy the Clark boards, & I've already stated I am happy enough with the sounds where I would not go the route to purchase a sound board costing twice as much as purchasing a Clark board, so there was no sense in you even stating, "I am just pointing out that if you are not buying the Clark", as anything you said in your post doesn't help me & my KV-1 build (what this thread is supposed to be about), which I mentioned that in my first reply to you posting the video & promoting the Benedini the first time. I was already aware of that option, & everyone else was aware after your first post about it.

So since I already said I wasn't interested in the Benedini, there was no real need to reply & further be helpful in giving me all the reasons why I (anyone) might be interested. Again, this thread is about my KV-1 & I certainly made no request in asking for help with sound replacement alternatives, you gave one anyway just to be helpful, & I commended the product & gave a valid reason  why I would declined using one in with my Clark board. I also find it rather insulting of you to even imply I somehow might have found myself  "painted" in a corner with a Clark board, it's an absurd remark for you to even mention with regards to my experience with the Clark board after I've already stated previously the sounds were good enough. So I really don't see your point of continuing to discuss your opinions of the Benedini in a thread I started to discuss what I'm doing with my KV-1, after I already told you that I'm not interested in the Benedini. You plugged the Benedini once, & now a second time as well, I think that is enough, so please stop taking the thread off topic by explaining yourself & why you brought up the Benedini even more, PM me if that's what you feel you need to do, but in this thread it's an off topic discussion to what I'm doing to my KV-1, & I've already made it very clear.

You already started a thread posting the same video & promoting how well the Clark board & Benedini work together, as you do a lot of good work & I'm sure there will be people who will be very willing to spend twice as much on just their engine sounds to go along with their Clark board setup, than the cost for a Clark board itself, so you & anyone else who want to discuss the Benedini alternative sound options for the Clark board can discuss it in the thread where it will be on topic for what the thread was intended (I'll even provide a helpful link => User Update on Clark board), because this thread doesn't need inviting a side discussion concerning the Benedini (a product you promote all the time as well as sell) which I've already said is irrelevant to what I'm doing with my KV-1.

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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/15/2012 7:06 PM   
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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/16/2012 10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I made a new video recording comparing the TK20E-US board using my dual speaker setup & a single speaker setup. Audio was picked up very well at about a 60-65 foot range with my Panasonic Lumix FZ-35 camera's built-in microphone.

There was a TON of outside interference noise the entire time. I had planes pulling gliders up all day, flocks of geese going overhead, crows hanging around, & a neighbor decided it was a good day to use his heavy equipment doing some "light" yard work . I tried multiple times to get a clean recording .... but I just couldn't get anything to cooperate for a solid 5 minutes , so I was left settling for what I used.

Unfortunately the loudest & most background interference noise was when I was recording the dual speaker setup.







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RE: My New Heng Long KV-1 - 12/16/2012 1:30 PM   
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Status: online 		I would have expected the speakers being driven at 4 ohms to be loudest, so your test confirms that.

The secondary sounds when the engines were running were not bad at all except maybe the cannon firing. That is a trade off though. You can't have a booming cannon sound and expect to be able to hear the regular sounds at 65 ft.

Did you notice any heat build up in the amp running speakers at 4 ohms.?

Not much wrong with that board. It will be interesting to see how it battles with Tamiya tanks, I think it is fair to say the audio side of it checks out pretty good.

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