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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 12:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been concerned about the thin plastic canopy that T/F has used on top of this plane. I was hoping it would be as thick as the Mustangs had.
Reading that people are breaking the gun hood in front of the canopy I have decided to mount switches and air fill vales outside so I don't have to mess with this hood.
Even in my shop I have had trouble removeing this hood. Not something I would want to do with a spinning prop near by.

On the underside of the canopy I ran a 1/8 stiff carbon fiber rod the length of the rear part and over that, a strip of fibergalss to keep it from poping off. It will not be visible.
As this will be my weekend flyer I know how crazy it gets at the flying field putting on the wing and screwing it down while upside down.
I don't want to kink this thin plastic and have to replace it right away.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 12:30 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 12:44 AM   
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Why? Because I think this would be lighter.
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 12:53 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 12:57 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 1:51 AM   
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I have been concerned about the thin plastic canopy that T/F has used on top of this plane. I was hoping it would be as thick as the Mustangs had.
Reading that people are breaking the gun hood in front of the canopy I have decided to mount switches and air fill vales outside so I don't have to mess with this hood.
Even in my shop I have had trouble removeing this hood. Not something I would want to do with a spinning prop near by.

On the underside of the canopy I ran a 1/8 stiff carbon fiber rod the length of the rear part and over that, a strip of fibergalss to keep it from poping off. It will not be visible.
As this will be my weekend flyer I know how crazy it gets at the flying field putting on the wing and screwing it down while upside down.
I don't want to kink this thin plastic and have to replace it right away.


Hey, again out of curiousity, how will the carbon rod prevent the canopy from "popping off"? Are you not gluing or securing the canopy down with screws? Or will this be a hatch?

Also, there are several companies that sell canopies much stronger that will fit this bird...If you're interested in upgrading.

IMP sells one that will drop right on and Bob Holman (the one I used) will also fit with some modifications. I'm sure someone like you could handle it..

And if you don't want to risk damaging the canopy, PVC is real cheap. You could build a stand large enough to prevent resting your plane on the canopy.. Just a thought.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 1:59 AM   
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Boy???

Really?

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Casey, he wasn't referring to me..lol, I think he was referring to his level of intelligence, especially if he’s trying to belittle someone with that term.. It's more humorous than anything else and just proves my previous statement.

Moving on..

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 2:23 AM   
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Why not just glass the interior of the canopy adding strenth?


Interesting option. I understand that the fiberglass will be transparent if done properly, but how do you make sure to get a smooth surface on the interior?

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 2:26 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 2:29 AM   
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Why not just glass the interior of the canopy adding strenth?

My gosh....do you realize what you are saying ? Why would you recommend such an idea.....hmmmmm you may be on to something hehehe


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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 2:31 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 4:00 AM   
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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 4:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chris, I wouldn’t have taken that statement personally! And it's not about me so let’s not make it that way! Personally, I'm just asking about and sharing information just like I'd expect you and anyone else with something to add to the forum to do. But since you bring it up, those that "know me", understand I’m very knowledgeable on the FW190 and those that know more than me and have something to share, I listen to. Now granted, I don't know everything but like I previously stated, a lot of the information to those that build the FW190 is common knowledge and some building techniques are as well. But again, I'm here to share and learn.

This forum (hobby) shouldn't be taken so seriously that you can't enjoy it.


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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:17 AM   
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Status: online 		Regarding the removable top hatch, I find that I can insert a long screwdriver or allen wrench into one of the top guns and push it agains the wooden former of the top hatch to lock it in place.  I think I may just pass a string/floss cord through one of the top guns and attach it to the same former to pull on it when I want to remove the top hatch.  It might work!




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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 7:53 AM   
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I made some additional measurements on the firewall fit for the Saito450r. It looks like moving the firewall back 1/2'' - 7/16'' will be required. I went ahead and cut the firewall out and cut the key slots back 1/2''. I then tack CA'd the wall back in,mounted the engine, and the thrust washer now protrudes 1/8''-3/16'' past the cowl. The valve covers now clear the cowl all the way around as well.
If anyone is concerned about how well the factory glue job is, don't be. It took me close to 2 hours to get it out and cut the 5 slots. My usual trick of heating up a 1'' putty knife with a propane torch and sliding it in there to melt the glue took forever. The glue does not melt, it burns!
Indeed the 450/FG84 will fit but some surgery is required.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 7:59 AM   
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Oh dont get me wrong Im not offended I just find it funny. Im not taking anything seriously nor did I intend to offend, its just banter.

Being enthusiastic about your mods so far I was curious about what your approach to the rivets was going to be. Its no big deal or secret and believe me I have many years of model making and prototyping under my belt as well.

I would rather have an intelligent conversation about scale reproduction techniques than get into a battle of words on a forum.

I think at the scale we are working with it makes more sense to paint a tint over the final paint to imply a shadow from an indentation than go through the trouble of making physical depressions. This way you can use a paint mask with an accurate scale size and accurate scale pattern. With an airbrush you can model the rivets darker and lighter for effect. Overall weathering would add accents to the rivets as well. The final appearance would be very convincing from a few feet away.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 4:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess when it comes to the rivets, it's really a “to each his own" approach as I personally like burning them in better than drawing or airbrushing them on. Airbrushing them on for me at least, seems to be more work than the application I've gone with. Personally, I like the look of indented rivets better especially when I look at my sist, holman and Platt with them. Sist did their kit as accurate as possible and what made since to them and most others was to make the indentations. Scale enthusiast and to my knowledge, even top gun builders chose to burn flush rivets into their planes. So this is why I went this route giving them a better look (even though not burnt in) but again; to each his own.
Your picture doesn’t give a good reference to the detail of the rivets from that angel, see if you can find a good side shot like from an Aerodetail reference. I’ll add a picture from mine later..

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 4:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ram, I have to agree with you about rivets. My SisT looks so good because of the way the rivets were done. The FW190 was a very "mechanical" looking plane. Meaning its assembled from metal and it shows. I wish I could figure out a way to indent into glassed wood to get the same effect. Burning rivets works ok but it's still only close ya know.

By the way, what engine do you have on your Sis and have you ever flown it?

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 4:35 PM   
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I agree. That was the main reason I purchased the SIST. I have a G62 on it now with the special muffler from Sist. I tried a DA 50 but I didn’t like the power. I've about 15 or so flights but mainly just admire it, It's what I base all my others off of.. I just got the approval (the wife) to purchase his big brother here soon. They don't have an icon to show my excitement....Costing $3500 kit, it'll be one for the books I’m sure. I'll admire it for a year or so before I maiden it..lol

Getting the rivits into glass or wood takes a lot of work and swearing . I punched many holes into mine trying to get that desired effect. A heavy coat of resin on top of the glass and a lot of primer works best for me but then you add a lot of weight.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting about the G62. Evan Q has one in his as well. I have a Saito 300 that hasnt been run yet I worry about the power! or lack there of?

I have a bud near Baltimore who has the 1/4 Sis. I have yet to see it but I shall in the near future. Its gotta be wonneful.. albeit expensive! lol

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the rivets on my TF with that new application. I'll add another coat of primer to make them flush, remove the paint from the rivets and paint. Personally I think it's a lot of work when I could've just burnt them in but either way, its a lot of work. Measuring and burning or this method.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:29 PM   
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Interesting about the G62. Evan Q has one in his as well. I have a Saito 300 that hasnt been run yet I worry about the power! or lack there of?

I have a bud near Baltimore who has the 1/4 Sis. I have yet to see it but I shall in the near future. Its gotta be wonneful.. albeit expensive! lol

Hey we aint gonna live for ever.. (well cept maybe me! lol)


lol..me too.. I seen somewhere on site, a forum being started on the 1/4 SIst. I ned to find it so I can learn from it. I just got a email from Vogelsang... exciting, exciting!! Evan comes to WOTR every year and brings both of his to the show. I have numerious pics of his fleet. We've had a long conversation on the sist. I almost bought the Platnum ME109 untile we spoke.

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ram, how are you going to remove the paint from the rivets only? Ya know.. you could just pick off the rivets and leave the primer.. would look really good and would really be a lot of work. but no more so than say burning?

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 5:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		True. I'm thinking just lightly sanding over them exposing them but the possibility of just removing them is still there. So much went into installing them... These rivits are great but would be best for an application that didn't use flush rivits..unless you didn't care.

They're almost flush now so being that this isn't going to any scale masters, I may just paint over them and call it good.

When it's all riveted, I'll sit down after case of beer and look at it..when I come too, we'll see what happened..lol

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RE: TF FW190 GIANT ARF - 1/25/2013 10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to post this in the for sale place but wanted to let you guys here know I have a set of Century Jet 1/5 scale FW190 retracts If interested contact me.
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