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ORIGINAL: Tony Iannucelli

A few points... a shill is a person trying to entice others to buy a product or participate in some way. I personally could care less if .........................

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ORIGINAL: keyman

When this got brought up on another forum I asked a couple legitimate questions and got blasted by some so I will try here.

Why is it if Tower or Horizon wants to hire someone to do online reviews or promoting its ok, but if HK does it then it becomes ''undercover shills doing something dishonest'' as suggested else where?

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ORIGINAL: countilaw

It seems to me  that    Topspin as  had plenty  to post about and seems very well informed about what he has said.      His post have been very intelligent,  in fact more intelligent that some of the other posters here claiming  support for a company that is known for deceptive trade practices,   shipping irregularities,   poor to none  customer service and advertising for  illegal commerce activities (shilling).  


For a company that  doing  1000s of orders per day,  as reported by  some shills,    which evidently was false information.    Hobby King wouldn't be advertising for   shills .     A company that is reaching for straws to survive would  employee such under handed  and unethical behavior.     Hobby King may be in bigger trouble than we know.

As for   store fronts in the  U.S.   I don't think so.    Even the so called   U.S. warehouse is just a   UPS  mail drop.   That's been reported as fact by person or persons that have actually gone to the address of the    "Hobby King  U.S.A."   warehouse. 

But it's good to know that   some of you   are such important people,   above all else,  and privledged  that   Hobby King gives you  preferable treatment.     It must be really nice that you are so important that  a  big company  like  Hobby King   bows down to  YOU and  provides you with the RED CARPET TREATMENT.    WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DO  TO DESERVE SUCH TREATMENT?          

Oh I see,    you do as you have in this thread.      Bash everyone that has a complaint against Hobby Krap,   and  puff up your egomania that you have never had a problem with Hobby King.    

Fast Shipping?????   Where in the  h_ll did you dig that up.     We all know it takes a week just to get an order from the   FRONT warehouse to the REAR warehouse.   Another week to provide a shipping label,  and then it sits in the corner until someone puts it on a truck to go to the carrier.   

And heaven help you if  just  ONE of the items you ordered is   BACK ORDERED.     Hobby King holds the entire order until the ONE  item returns to stock.    I have heard that can take  MONTHS.     MEAN WHILE   THEY STILL HAVE YOUR MONEY ! ! !

And don't you    DARE   say that they have handled your complaints  with  CASH  REFUNDS  within a WEEK?        NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT ISN'T TRUE ! ! !

And you expect us to believe this  crap: 
cash credit within a week, no questions asked, no followup necessary ... 18 orange receivers, never a failure... $3 servos, never a problem... I even use two HXT900s in an Evader... 22 flights and counting... foam jets like the Rebel, Stinger, and others, 100+ flights and counting... motors, never an issue at all... shipping from Washington for batteries, 3-4 days, (click "priority", $13), planes take about a week,
In my opinion,    Ladies and Gentle  these are  the  classic statements of a  shill  plain and simple.        

They are so   far fetched,   that they aren't even close to being   believable.

Frank

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ORIGINAL: flyinwalenda

The original post was concerning a company that is soliciting forum members to ''promote'' (not review) online the products it sells and in turn the company itself by paying them in cash or merchandise. Of course one would expect any forum member chosen for this job to wear that badge of honor proudly when posting(as previously stated ;either in their profile or signature)just like other paid reps for other companies do.
That's not happening.

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ORIGINAL: sjpateys

If you say that you have ordered from a company many times in the past and received excellent service, when in fact you haven't is called LYING not advertising.

There is a difference. I have no experience with HK but if they are up to anything such as shilling etc this is not advertising 

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ORIGINAL: Tony Iannucelli

A few points... a shill is a person trying to entice others to buy a product or participate in some way. I personally could care less if you ever buy anything from anyone so I guess I'm disqualified on that score. I like telling people how and where to get bargains, using coupons is big, and don't forget, it's hobby money, all of which makes me a buddy. I'm not un-American, but I also don't want to personally pay the LHS guy's kid's college tuition. I'll be happy to give him all my business if he competes with products and prices. I don't want his service, I want good deals. I've talked to the guy. I'm not smart, but he definitely isn't smart, especially when it comes to our hobby. But whatever, he's a nice person.

My local hobby shop charges retail for everything. $4 + for a small package of heat shrink for example. I can buy 39" of heat shrink for 25 cents from Hobby King. Good stuff I might add. That's 16 YARDS in all sizes for $4. HobbyKing's blue velcro, 4 inches wide, very aggressive adhesive, 39" long strip, (lifetime supply pretty much), is $2. The Hobby shop charges $4 for a few inches of the stuff. You can't have my business unless you compete. Sorry to sound like a shill, but no more than every hobby magazine out there, or the guys at the field talking about their latest bargain, or the guys at the contests selling everything under the sun and telling me how good it is. Hobby King offers to HIRE you and pay you to tell how good their products are, what bargains they are, and you have a problem with that? Not sure I can begin to comprehend why.... Do you think the magazines aren't compensated for their reviews? Do you think only NEGATIVE comments are appropriate on web sites? Is it possible some of us have had great experiences buying products from various sources? Should we keep it to ourselves? If I say OS has great engines, because you know they are NOT paying me, that's OK, but if they were, I'd be a shill? Please, spare me. OS does make great engines, period.

To get to my local hobby shop costs me a gallon or two of gas, roundtrip. Sales tax, 6.5%. I do buy fuel from them at $88 a case. While I'm there, I buy props if I need them, and some other small items. No kits, no motors, no radios, no servos, no engines... Why not? Simple prices, aka economics, of course. I'd much rather buy that stuff from Tower, get my $50 off coupon as a club member, and free shipping. It's at my door in four days. Great products: OS Engines (Japan), Hitec servos (Korea), Top Flite ARFs (China), Futaba radio gear (Japan/Malaysia), other stuff from all over the place, including Europe. I don't buy velcro from Tower, or connectors, or wire, or servo extensions, usually not motors, and a lot of other stuff, because THEIR prices are too high on that stuff. I still like them a lot, but if they didn't compete, I wouldn't buy from them either.

I used to buy EKLogitrol, Kraft, ProLine, Ace, and others, when they were made here. One after the other, they started manufacturing elsewhere. I ended up with Futaba, Hitec, Airtronics, and JR, like most of us. Best game in town, right? Of course. I'd love to buy from the hobby shop if they had a great selection, and were priced fairly. I remember 30 years ago going to hobby shop, seeing what size and color spinner he had in stock, and then finish building the nose of my airplane so it would look good. Those days are gone, and thankfully.

10-4, over and out.