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Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Crash) - 8/2/2012 10:41 AM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 12:56 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 2:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope... I was flying the jet that hit Lewis. It was a freak accident. Knowing Lewis as well as I do I can safely say that neither one of us would appreciate a thread full of speculation. It was very dramatic in the air, zero drama on the ground. An unfortunate end to two jets in the last hours of a week full of many many flights.

Incredible footage btw SWAT

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 2:33 PM   
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Everyone I have read are making comments about "sorry Lewis you lost your plane" but what about you! What did you lose? That hurts no matter how it happened and I can see it easily happening at any EVENT not just a jet event when you have multiple planes in the air.
I am sad for the loss of BOTH planes.

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 3:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		He lost a beautiful shockwave that was flying so good all week. No one was at fault and it happens. So I agree no speculation needed.

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 4:58 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 5:03 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 5:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, absolutely gutting that both jets were lost, it is something that fortunately only happens rarely and I would not want to upset any one with speculation even though it is human nature. Hopefully at least one thing would have been learned from the incident.

Unrelated to this incident I was flying at another event where on more than one occasion I had to ask while I was actually flying whether the circuit/pattern was left or right because someone was flying the wrong circuit!

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 6:20 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 7:13 PM   
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But no speculation means no fun. Dont you think RCU is already booring enough at the moment


You want to have fun at other peoples expense. There is a third party involved in the accident. The owner of the Shockwave.

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 7:16 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 7:40 PM   
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But no speculation means no fun. Dont you think RCU is already booring enough at the moment


You want to have fun at other peoples expense. There is a third party involved in the accident. The owner of the Shockwave.


No but what has happened has happened. No amount of speculation will change that.

Quite simple to be honest if you dont want comment or speculation why the heck would you post the video here or indeed at all. I sugest you need to get real


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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 7:47 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 8:25 PM   
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If it's that boring why come on it.


Well to try and spice it up

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 8:32 PM   
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Status: online 		Great video and a spectacular crash indeed! Sad loss for both pilots involved, but all models eventually end up being rekitted! (or should, IMO - never been a fan of seeing good flying models 'retired'. As they say - better to burn out than fade away!) The question is, what's the next project?

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 9:19 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 9:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope... Both jets flying a left hand pattern. Probably the silhouette in the vid is deceiving. The Shockwave was in a left bank right about where you see the #1 & #2 jets turn at 10:47" in the vid, on a line that my spotter and I believed was further out and wider than Lewis was.

Both jets have already been replaced with exact same airplanes - one already ready to fly as we speak. Again, really unfortunate event, but completely without drama and amongst good friends. If the hobby was full of Lewis' and Scott's, it be a lot better hobby! Lewis and I have already agreed to do a "tribute" flight next year in which the jets actually DON'T touch.

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:20 PM   
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What more needs to be said.

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:24 PM   
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What more needs to be said.


Probably just "ouch," and "don't do this." Danno had a good comment on the way home: He said that really altitude is the only buffer you have for seperation - the headings and such really can't be judged, especially that far away. That was way down to the left (down to upwind turn), the wreckaged landed near the VASI which you can see in the vid. Anyways... yeah... uh, this IS NOT RECOMMENDED


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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:36 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:38 PM   
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all involved have already shaken hands and moved on on good terms
What more needs to be said.


Good point.

And another good point might be that there might something to learn from mid airs. One thing might be, made by smitty1001, altitude is likely our only defense for mid-airs. Another is how two stand up dudes shook hands and moved on!

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:45 PM   
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Another is how two stand up dudes shook hands and moved on!


Perfectly said Rav!!!! Perfectly said!!!

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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:45 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 10:53 PM   
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RE: Jets Over Kentucky Part III (Spectacular Mid-Air Cr... - 8/2/2012 11:45 PM   
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Here is a novel idea. Only fly one plane in the air at a time


Dennis,

I have been out many times and to a lot of events with Smitty, and I can guarantee you he has never flown more than one plane at a time !!!! In fact, there were 150+ pilots at that event and I didn't witness any of them flying more than one plane at a time !!!


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