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FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/6/2012 8:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone using the original (Ridge Tool) Ignition system on the First Place Engine 2.4? I am new to Gas engines and have an FPE 2.4 that I am installing in a Sig Extra 300 XS with the original ignition and I want to make sure that I won't have any electrical radion interference using this ignition. I am using a Spektrum DX7 radio. Anyone experience and problems with this ignition set-up?

Any information would be much appreciated..........

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/6/2012 10:12 PM   
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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/6/2012 10:51 PM   
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If you have any doubts, just replace the ignition with a bullet proof RCXcell ignition, its cheap insurance.


The older 2.4 FPE will thank you if you install a new ignition that has an advance curve. You simply can't go wrong with the RCexl as Stuka suggested! The engine will start easier, idle slower and have more top end power than when equipped with the Ridge ignition. The Ridge ignition had fixed timing that was a compromise between ease of starting and acceptable power output ..... so neither end of the performance spectrum was great.

FPE had the CH ignition as an expensive option when the Ridge ignition was used. Though the CH is no longer available the RCexl is an excellent performing copy.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 2:17 AM   
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If you have any doubts, just replace the ignition with a bullet proof RCXcell ignition, its cheap insurance.


The older 2.4 FPE will thank you if you install a new ignition that has an advance curve. You simply can't go wrong with the RCexl as Stuka suggested! The engine will start easier, idle slower and have more top end power than when equipped with the Ridge ignition. The Ridge ignition had fixed timing that was a compromise between ease of starting and acceptable power output ..... so neither end of the performance spectrum was great.

FPE had the CH ignition as an expensive option when the Ridge ignition was used. Though the CH is no longer available the RCexl is an excellent performing copy.


Can't speak for the FPE 2.4 ignition, but I would not trade the ignition in my D&B engine for any Rcexl, CH or DA unit.


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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 3:13 AM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		The FPE 2.4 ill need a new re timed prop hub to get max benefits from the new ignition. Or you have to move the sensor.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 4:01 AM  1 votes
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If you have any doubts, just replace the ignition with a bullet proof RCXcell ignition, its cheap insurance.


The older 2.4 FPE will thank you if you install a new ignition that has an advance curve. You simply can't go wrong with the RCexl as Stuka suggested! The engine will start easier, idle slower and have more top end power than when equipped with the Ridge ignition. The Ridge ignition had fixed timing that was a compromise between ease of starting and acceptable power output ..... so neither end of the performance spectrum was great.

FPE had the CH ignition as an expensive option when the Ridge ignition was used. Though the CH is no longer available the RCexl is an excellent performing copy.


Can't speak for the FPE 2.4 ignition, but I would not trade the ignition in my D&B engine for any Rcexl, CH or DA unit.



What brand ignition does your D&B engine have ??

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 11:23 AM  1 votes
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I believe this is the same supplied with the First Place Engines..  Ridge Machine produces the D&B.  

Update - Just when to the FPE site and discovered that that 2.4 is equipped with a fixed timing module set at 20 degrees.  Must be special made because I didn't see the fixed unit listed on the D&B site, must be a cost savings thing.  I retract my comments, any variable ignition will be an upgrade.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 1:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, to all for the responses. Is installing the RCxell ignition something I can do myself? The FPE uses an NGK BPMR6A Plug and not the CM6 is there a different igniton for that plug or do I need to change the plug to a CM6? Sorry about all the questions but being new to Gas engines and "giant" scale, I just want to get it right and I can't spend to much more on this set-up at the moment so I am trying to finish without adding to much cost.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 2:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ignitions have different plug caps for different plugs, You order according to what plug you have.

The BPMR6A is a 3/4 hex plug.

You can do it yourself if you know how to mount the sensor in the right place or get the magnet in the right location for it to be timed at 28 deg before top dead center.

Here are a couple links showing how to time the engine.

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http://www.rcextremepower.net/ignition_timing.html

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 2:43 PM   
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Thanks, to all for the responses. Is installing the RCxell ignition something I can do myself? The FPE uses an NGK BPMR6A Plug and not the CM6 is there a different igniton for that plug or do I need to change the plug to a CM6? Sorry about all the questions but being new to Gas engines and ''giant'' scale, I just want to get it right and I can't spend to much more on this set-up at the moment so I am trying to finish without adding to much cost.

suburban95

If your engine is the older one with the Sachs cylinder (probably if it has the Ridge ignition) it will accept the 5/8" hex, NGK BPMR6F taper seat plug. This plug actually fits the cylinder threads better than the washered BPMR6A as the cylinder was designed for a taper seat plug.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 3:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again for the replys, Milton on my FPE the hub is kind of egg shaped and the magnet is in the egged end of that hub. Can I use that magnet and just mount the sensor so that it is at the 28 deg. when it is at that magnet or should I relocate the magnet somehow? I guess I ask the question because the ridge ignition sensor passes next to the end of the magnet and not over the magnet and I am not sure if that will work on the RCxel sensor.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 3:53 PM   
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Also if the crank and prop hub are a taper fit you can relocate the prop hub to time the engine, You have to remove the key, The key does nothing for holding the prop hub, The taper fit is what holds the prop hub in place.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 4:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The FPE has a straight shaft and the key is required. The sensor is glued in a groove in the crankcase you would need to remove it and file the sensor mounting groove round. Then use some sort of clamp on sensor. The sensor is also bent 90 at the end because the magnet is in the back of the hub and not the side.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 4:51 PM   
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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 6:13 PM   
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If you have any doubts, just replace the ignition with a bullet proof RCXcell ignition, its cheap insurance.


The older 2.4 FPE will thank you if you install a new ignition that has an advance curve. You simply can't go wrong with the RCexl as Stuka suggested! The engine will start easier, idle slower and have more top end power than when equipped with the Ridge ignition. The Ridge ignition had fixed timing that was a compromise between ease of starting and acceptable power output ..... so neither end of the performance spectrum was great.

FPE had the CH ignition as an expensive option when the Ridge ignition was used. Though the CH is no longer available the RCexl is an excellent performing copy.


Can't speak for the FPE 2.4 ignition, but I would not trade the ignition in my D&B engine for any Rcexl, CH or DA unit.


I have a D&B 5.1 since 2003 and the Ridge ign. (Reichmuth) hasn't missed a beat ever, so don't be so quick to judge, you may need to look at your installation.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 7:16 PM   
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If you have any doubts, just replace the ignition with a bullet proof RCXcell ignition, its cheap insurance.


The older 2.4 FPE will thank you if you install a new ignition that has an advance curve. You simply can't go wrong with the RCexl as Stuka suggested! The engine will start easier, idle slower and have more top end power than when equipped with the Ridge ignition. The Ridge ignition had fixed timing that was a compromise between ease of starting and acceptable power output ..... so neither end of the performance spectrum was great.

FPE had the CH ignition as an expensive option when the Ridge ignition was used. Though the CH is no longer available the RCexl is an excellent performing copy.


Can't speak for the FPE 2.4 ignition, but I would not trade the ignition in my D&B engine for any Rcexl, CH or DA unit.


I have a D&B 5.1 since 2003 and the Ridge ign. (Reichmuth) hasn't missed a beat ever, so don't be so quick to judge, you may need to look at your installation.

Simply a matter of the Ridge ignition that was used on the FPE 2.4 being fixed timed with no advance curve. The timing was fixed at 20 degrees or there abouts which never let the engine reach its full performance potential either at idle or at full throttle. Other ignitions (CH) were available as an extra cost option that resolved this issue. I never understood why FPE even sold the 2.4 with that ignition as they even admitted the engine was down on power. Examples I saw had terrible performance compared to a similar Brison or Fox 2.4. The only real differences were the ignition and this was easily corrected as suggested by several in this thread.

I'm sure the ignition you have on your 5.1 has an advance curve .... and nobody ever said the Ridge ignition wasn't reliable.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 9:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		You really do have to wonder just how many dollars was saved using the fixed ignition?  And as you point out it is clearly stated in the Q&A section of the web site.

To be honest this was a great find of information, I always wanted to move the ignition advance with a servo mixed to throttle, now I know where to find a fixed ignition module.

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/7/2012 11:37 PM   
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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/8/2012 3:38 AM   
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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/9/2012 2:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again for all the responses. I have emailed Kurt at FPE and they will update the engine with an RCxel ignition new hub and test run for around $130.00. They will sell the re-keyed hub for $20. Being that the magnet is in the side edge of the hub I may just send the engine to them and have them install the new ignition I am just not sure how it will work with the way things are mounted now as shown in the attached photos (at least I hope they attached).

Anyway I may just finish the build and test run the engine with the Ridge ignition just to see how the engine runs. Anyone concerned with interference from the Ridge ignition without a spark plug boot?

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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/9/2012 5:25 PM   
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RE: FPE 2.4 Ridge Ignition - 8/9/2012 9:24 PM   
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