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ORIGINAL: LesUyeda

''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''

You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.

Les

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ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord

You need to do better searches.

Try this

sig,kit,-arf,-almost

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ORIGINAL: tailskid

Kits should be noted as BYO (build your own) or something along those lines...ARF's should be listed as 'assembly required'. That ought to confuse us even more

ARF- Almost Ready to Fly - something that takes less than a week to put together.  Actually the fastest kit I have put together was an Uproar in about 2 weeks.

But the "kit" designation is actually perpetuated by the Chinese foamies.  To them an ARF has a motor and a kit does not. 

I like the "-arf" in the search and did not know ebay would take that.

Oh, and the other overused and abused term on ebay is "RARE", meaning I rarely sell this.  And listing plans as RC aircraft is ridiculous - ebay should add another category.

BTW, I also select Auction Only to get away from all the "basement hobby shops", drop shippers and black market dealers.

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ORIGINAL: rgburrill

ARF- Almost Ready to Fly - something that takes less than a week to put together.  Actually the fastest kit I have put together was an Uproar in about 2 weeks.

But the ''kit'' designation is actually perpetuated by the Chinese foamies.  To them an ARF has a motor and a kit does not. 

I like the ''-arf'' in the search and did not know ebay would take that.

Oh, and the other overused and abused term on ebay is ''RARE'', meaning I rarely sell this.  And listing plans as RC aircraft is ridiculous - ebay should add another category.

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ORIGINAL: iflyg450

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ORIGINAL: LesUyeda

''PLEASE DON'T LIST ARF'S IN THE KIT SECTIONS! ''

You first need to define the term KIT. Real, full size, aircraft come in KITS, that look just exactly like an ARF; but they are still KITS.

Les

As an A&P IA and builder of homebuilts, I would say that depends on the plane you wish to build? If your talking an composite plane such as a Legacy or Velocity then yes it resemble an ARF but they sitll take years to finish, but a metal aircraft still looks like a kit even at the extremes of the 51% builder rule. But I’m not talking abut a full size planes. ALL IM SAYING IS IF THE PLANE YOU ARE SELLING COMES PARTLY ASSEMBLED AND COVERED OR IS ALREADY PAINTED, THEN DON'T LIST IT WITH A TRADITIONAL KIT! BY TRADITIONAL I MEAN DIE CUT LASER CUT OR PRINTED SHEETS. I DON'T WANT TO SORT THROUGH FOAMIES ECT WHILE TRYING TO FIND THAT SPECIAL KIT THAT I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE BUILD...

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ORIGINAL: Gray Beard

When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.

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ORIGINAL: GerKonig

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ORIGINAL: Gray Beard

When I did a review on an ARF I had to give this a lot of thought. I finally came to the conclusion that ARFs are kits. It's like IKEA items, if you have to assemble it then it is a kit. I didn't like it but it's true. To me, a kit is a box of sticks and sheeting that you have to cut and fit to finish up with a plane, but there is no definition of how hard a kit must be or how many pieces in one. I don't like it but I got over it.
I still get a giant pissmeoff when I see anyone that calls assembling an ARF building. They have built nothing, they are gluing assembled parts together, not building anything! I come completely un-hinged when I see a reviewer in a magazine use the term building. These people are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference but I see too many of them with brain damage and using the term building there review ARF. Maybe they are trying to give there readers a little ego boost thinking they are building something? Maybe the reviewer needs that ego boost themselves??
OK, the term Kit or ARF Kit I will go with and give these ARF nimrods that but ARFers, Never Never use the term building, you aren't and most of you can't.
There, that was my rant.

I build models form little (or big) pieces of wood. Mostly form Balsa USA, I am one of their supporters.

But I also ''build'' arfs, and if you do not like it, or get a giant pissmeoff, here is my advice: It is a friggggggin hobby, enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the days you have left, as every day that goes by, we have one less...

I build, build, build and build ARFs. And sometimes I re-build ARF's. I am able to take an ARF, and re-kit it in seconds. I have a huge tree at the field that helps me do precisely that. I can prove this, I have the pictures...

Gerry
When I do not shave, by beard is also gray...:-)