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AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 7:06 PM   
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The ED reported the forum was created some time in 2009. It has almost 2700 members and out of that, 2350 have made one post or less; and 90% of those posts come from 10 members. The proposal is to close the AMA forum; it is believed this can be done now because the blog system is now up and running. The blog system is a quicker way to get better information to our members; and eliminates the potential for conversations to get dragged off track.  HQ continues to refine the ticket system (Ask AMA) where someone can ask a question and get an answer within 48 hours by a staff person; and creating the knowledge base mentioned earlier that will supplement the Ask AMA system on-line. 

It was approved by acclamation to shut down the AMA Forum.


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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 7:32 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 7:38 PM   
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The ED reported the forum was created some time in 2009. It has almost 2700 members and out of that, 2350 have made one post or less; and 90% of those posts come from 10 members. The proposal is to close the AMA forum; it is believed this can be done now because the blog system is now up and running. The blog system is a quicker way to get better information to our members; and eliminates the potential for conversations to get dragged off track.  HQ continues to refine the ticket system (Ask AMA) where someone can ask a question and get an answer within 48 hours by a staff person; and creating the knowledge base mentioned earlier that will supplement the Ask AMA system on-line. 

It was approved by acclamation to shut down the AMA Forum.


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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 9:16 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 9:28 PM   
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"90% of those posts come from 10 members"

Yea, because they ban anyone who disagrees.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/18/2012 9:51 PM   
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 Good, Bad, Don't care?   In any case this is from the minutes of the AMA July EC meeting:

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AMA On-line Forum
The ED reported the forum was created some time in 2009. It has almost 2700 members and out of that, 2350 have made one post or less; and 90% of those posts come from 10 members. The proposal is to close the AMA forum; it is believed this can be done now because the blog system is now up and running. The blog system is a quicker way to get better information to our members; and eliminates the potential for conversations to get dragged off track.  HQ continues to refine the ticket system (Ask AMA) where someone can ask a question and get an answer within 48 hours by a staff person; and creating the knowledge base mentioned earlier that will supplement the Ask AMA system on-line. 

It was approved by acclamation to shut down the AMA Forum.


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Yes, one more item to be removed from the membership. Another step in the same direction that a much larger block of "leaders" is doing to the entire country.

Those "acclamations" are following AMA EC like a number of "executive orders" (small case on purpose) in another area.

Have you noticed the "We gonna' build us a Foundation!" Wonder if anyone might remember how a certain BAD GUY pushed for that item a number of years ago? Also notice that the proposed foundation will have no By-Laws requiring any Leader Member input!

Now how long will it take to transfer the AMA assets to a 501c foundation? Then the AMA can renounce its 501 and with a bit of maneuvering throw all the membeship inputs out of business. It is so easy.

It doesn't have to be that way, but any bets on how it will finally evolve to?

For you that will yell, "I see nothing about a foundation." Just go read the minutes. It's all there.

For you that never used the forum, that was YOUR choice. There were considerable visitors that at least had something to talk about in their own clubs, groups, etc.
That is to be deleted. Thanks to YOU non interested, all-about-me individuals.





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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/19/2012 6:21 AM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/19/2012 7:45 AM   
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It's a forum that never had a purpose and never needed to be started in the first place. It didn't take off because we didn't need it. The AMA spent money to do it because someone got the idea that all internet presence is good without having the know how to actually run an online forum. Now it's being shut down precisely for the reason it should never have been started- it serves no purpose.


You are entitled to your judgment, no matter how wrong it is. AMA started the web site due to member requests. They then showed how much the EC and management wanted the website by placing far too restrictive rules coupled with some administrators that did not need any 30 pieces of silver to act as lap-dogs.

The forum was never given a chance to become really useful. I predicted this would happen and now it has. I also now predict that there is much more to come.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/19/2012 2:16 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/19/2012 7:24 PM   
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From what you're saying it sounds like I was right. As they implemented it, it served no useful purpose. The simple fact that there were so few posters is evidence of that. Had the AMA really considered the RC community and how it works, they would have put a representative on the established forums to interact with people that way. It would have likely cost less and would have generated a lot more traffic.


No, jester, you are not right. With your limited experience in aeromodeling and AMA as a unit (Airplane Experience - 0 years building - 6 years operating - Intermediate pilot) I propose that you are not yet seeing what is called "The Big Picture". Having been a modeler and AMA member since late '40s and watched AMA come from an office in the DC red-light district (not a nasty as I was in that office when I was a DVP) active in FF, CL, and RC, I have had the opportunities to get a fair view of that Big Picture.

IMO, the forum was enacted to satisfy a number of members, then saddled with restrictions and punishments that only those living under the "Yes Sir, Yes Sir, Three bags full" doctrine could withstand. I have observed and been a target for AMA management to keep me quite, and also quite removed.

BTW, the number of posters ia a small percentage of those reading those posts. There were frequently a high number of "Visitors" as compared to the posting members on the forum. When visitors learned of aeromodeling items being presented, then AMA profits as another individual learns something about model aviation. Look at the Beginners forum here on RCU. So many newbies get not-too-good information from good modelers, yet the newbie gets something that works now and can go forward. Arguments happen but AMA used that to kick members off the forum. AMA did not want the forum and now it uses all sorts of excuses to get rid of it.


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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/19/2012 10:08 PM   
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90% of the posts came from 10 members............................  is it really that different here?   OK not perhaps 90% but it would not surprise me that >50% come from 10 members.           Is that bad?     or are they just interested in improving the AMA from their perspective.

BTW HC is it a co-incidence that the AMA Discussion Forum is being killed with the new Foundation" as an issue ?

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/20/2012 2:28 AM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/20/2012 2:59 AM   
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I never knew there was a AMA forum.
How did they ever think it would compete (make money) with RCU and RCG.



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The AMA fourm was not intended to make money but just a place for AMA members to exchange and find info.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/20/2012 4:54 AM   
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BTW HC is it a co-incidence that the AMA Discussion Forum is being killed with the new Foundation'' as an issue ?

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There are a number of opinions swimming around in my head. It would take a thick book to write all such possibilities that I can conjure up. However having served as I did when I was an AVP, being left off the ballot for reelection, winning back by WRITE-IN, accomplishing what I did during that second term, and since then being zapped when again running for EVP, being denied the ballot by the EC, excetera, excetera, well friend, I must have more scars than most anyone in the arena of AMA Politics.

Brad and others, All I can provide is pure speculation and puzzle fitting.

Early '80s write-in votes were hidden by AMA Staff.Presdient finds votes in AMA gheadquarters and one person wins back his seat, Another is just a few votes short of winning back his position.

Several years later, new President has election turned over to an auditor. Works well for a number of years.

A famous person gets the AMA Presidency, one connected to EAA, also has a fine business out East, gives it all up for moving to Muncie for the EVP job that has to be way short of what he earned elsewhere.

Then in one swoop: Election ballots come back to AMA Headquarters. Same time the favored and most folks I talked to figured a shoe-in, the most progressive candidate for the AMA President, in YEARS, is not voted in. The winner is one that is a super nice guy, but has not - in my opinion - been very much a doer as a DVP for many years. He certainly failed to answer any question from me sent both by email and by snail mail.
Some years ago, I and another member offered to finance AMA's putting in a first class RV Park, at avery low interest rate, IIRC like 4-5% for whatever term AMA wanted. (At the time I was earning 8 to 13% on other such investments)

This now new Pres, then a DVP in charge of such, turned us down flat with all sorts of excuses.

Now as AMA has never spoke of a foundation, in one EC meeting, AMA institutes plans for a foundation emerging with bylaws being written with NO concern for previous information being presented to anyone other than the EC itself. NO MEMBER INPUT! NO REQUEST for info FROM MEMBERS, REGULAR OR LEADERS.

Therefore Brad therin the above lies my answer to your question. You already knew my answer as we have crossed paths too many times before. However Thanks to you for allowing me to give these new guys some of the history of AMA.

Hey, speaking of history, for you youngsters, read those 7-20 -12 minutes. AMA has instituted a possible 90 day membership suspension if you violate the AMA Safety Code. AMA Bylaws allow for the AMA to take all your priveleges if they deem it OK to do so. The Bylaws require a hearing if they wish to kick you out, but suspension from any activity or AMA facility is possible with no warning. At least the ATTORNEY spoke up that they may be pulling a bit too much there. That is a good point to remember.

Using Safety Code as a foot-in-the door could be something to think about. Once they get the foundation like EAA's organization, and the publishing corporation becomes a profit making entity outside any 501 (c) (3) connection, and you will be required to be a member of this Community Based Organization, well folks the sky is the limit if you wish to fly RC. NOW YOU KNOW!





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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/20/2012 9:09 PM  1 votes
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The real reason there never was any traffic at the AMA forum is all due to one moderator , ARBO , deleting any and all posts that he didn't like the poster of , even if such posts broke NO forum rules !

I just posted a question as to where a missing post went , and of course , without explaination , my post was deleted by ARBO as well . I defy ANYONE in the AMA management of that site to examine the post of mine that ARBO deleted , and tell me it broke any rule ! ( PS , the missing post I was asking about wasn't mine , I had just seen a fractured thread , and wondered what had been cut out of it . )

The quote of the removed post ;

"Why does it seem that Frank is talking to someone who isn't there ? Was there a post before his that got deleted without explaination ? Shame on anyone who would fracture this , what may be the last thread of the AMA forum ! But then , maybe all these fractured threads are the reason for the forum's upcoming demise ! Oh well , Later , it's been , mostly , fun..."


Now tell me , fellow AMAers , is that post in any way breaking of any rules , or is it just , once again , Paul being a bully with the only means he has , the delete button ?

REMOVE ARBO AS A MODERATOR AND MAYBE THE AMA FORUM WILL SEE THE POSTCOUNT TO SURVIVE !!!!!!!!


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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/21/2012 3:26 AM   
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The real reason there never was any traffic at the AMA forum is all due to one moderator , ARBO , deleting any and all posts that he didn't like the poster of , even if such posts broke NO forum rules !

I just posted a question as to where a missing post went , and of course , without explaination , my post was deleted by ARBO as well . I defy ANYONE in the AMA management of that site to examine the post of mine that ARBO deleted , and tell me it broke any rule ! ( PS , the missing post I was asking about wasn't mine , I had just seen a fractured thread , and wondered what had been cut out of it . )

The quote of the removed post ;

''Why does it seem that Frank is talking to someone who isn't there ? Was there a post before his that got deleted without explaination ? Shame on anyone who would fracture this , what may be the last thread of the AMA forum ! But then , maybe all these fractured threads are the reason for the forum's upcoming demise ! Oh well , Later , it's been , mostly , fun...''


Now tell me , fellow AMAers , is that post in any way breaking of any rules , or is it just , once again , Paul being a bully with the only means he has , the delete button ?

REMOVE ARBO AS A MODERATOR AND MAYBE THE AMA FORUM WILL SEE THE POSTCOUNT TO SURVIVE !!!!!!!!


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Your right about Arbo being one of the problems but there were more like him there on occasion.. That forum is not the only forum that takes on the flavor of the moderation. I look at good moderation to be something like baseball...ties should go to the runner/poster... but all too often posts are deleted with less than clear or flagrant rule violations. Subjectivity is the problem...and always will be... Its sort of a given, those that wish to moderate probably shouldn't be the ones doing it... We see examples of that everywhere else in life too...

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/21/2012 2:19 PM   
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From what you're saying it sounds like I was right. As they implemented it, it served no useful purpose. The simple fact that there were so few posters is evidence of that. Had the AMA really considered the RC community and how it works, they would have put a representative on the established forums to interact with people that way. It would have likely cost less and would have generated a lot more traffic.

Ditto. Every time I had an audience with our District VP I let him know I had similar feelings as well.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/21/2012 3:02 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/21/2012 6:55 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 5:04 AM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 5:10 AM   
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Hey, Ken killed off a whole message! No opposing opinions allowed. What forum do you guys go to to complain about that treatment here?

AMA's forum...well, at least for as long as it lasts....

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 8:13 AM   
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At close to the end of the July 20 meeting, the Council is now setting up a forum for EC members to talk with each other. They shut down the forum for Leader Members to talk and now they are starting another one for themselves.

Who gonna' moderate that one? I am thinking they will not get the same treatment we did! HA! If these guys are not careful, they just all might get drafted into Congress.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 10:42 AM   
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Hey, Ken killed off a whole message! No opposing opinions allowed. What forum do you guys go to to complain about that treatment here?

AMA's forum...well, at least for as long as it lasts....

crank,
For once I have to agree with you. This comes to mind;

http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=14003

Just one example.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 3:29 PM   
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Hey, Ken killed off a whole message! No opposing opinions allowed. What forum do you guys go to to complain about that treatment when you get it here?



You may think your real funny with all the messages you delete over at the soon to be defunct AMA forum (that you , yourself sank by moderating OPINIONS instead of rule infractions , as a good moderator should have !) , , But everyone knows it was your agenda driven moderation that killed it .

Say all the little jabs at guys like Fred Huber you want , but he is 100% right , You ARE the reason that forum died !

How DO you look yourself in the mirror and sell yourself the BS you put out as fact ? Are you going to say you didn't try to sign on to RC Truth using someone else's id after having been banned there ? What kind of supposedly "Fair" moderator would do that ?




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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/22/2012 3:35 PM   
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You may think your real funny with all the messages you delete over at the soon to be defunct AMA forum (that you , yourself sank by moderating OPINIONS instead of rule infractions , as a good moderator should have !) , , But everyone knows it was your agenda driven moderation that killed it .

Say all the little jabs at guys like Fred Huber you want , but he is 100% right , You ARE the reason that forum died !

How DO you look yourself in the mirror and sell yourself the BS you put out as fact ? Are you going to say you didn't try to sign on to RC Truth using someone else's id after having been banned there ? What kind of supposedly ''Fair'' moderator would do that ?





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