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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/26/2012 4:01 PM   
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Here's some context for you...AMA is more concerned about growing AMA than promoting the hobby! Put that statement anywhere you want it and I'll always admit to what I meant by it...by saying the same exact words again>>> There's some context for you...

Yes, and that's why I didn't join this year, for the first time since being in the hobby. They took on one too many questionable affiliations, along with promoting organizations with questionable integrity. I knew better than to mention those concerns in an actual AMA discussion thread and expect it to be acknowledged.

Bill G,

I think you are right.


There is now an outright admission, on another RC forum, of a group of guys that would jump on someone like you on the forums. I often suspected it but was hard to prove.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/26/2012 11:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		175 posts here. All about a discussion forum. Over on jets there is a thread with 7 posts ,5 from overseas about the passing of Neil Armstrong. Something very wrong with this. Don't know if another thread exists on another forum and don't want to imply all here don't respect and understand what Mr. Armstrong accomplished but still, something seems very wrong. Maybe the news that Snooki gave birth means more...

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/26/2012 11:42 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 12:06 AM   
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175 posts here. All about a discussion forum. Over on jets there is a thread with 7 posts ,5 from overseas about the passing of Neil Armstrong. Something very wrong with this. Don't know if another thread exists on another forum and don't want to imply all here don't respect and understand what Mr. Armstrong accomplished but still, something seems very wrong. Maybe the news that Snooki gave birth means more...


I understand how you see it.   But to be honest, between other forums, facebook and other outlets, I have already commented on the passing of Neil Armstrong.   I'm sure many others are the same.    Whereas this disuccsion about the AMA forum is happening only one place that I know of. 



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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 12:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Understand. Don't want to ruffle any feathers, so easy to do it seems.

I tend to look at things as the grand scheme, if there is such a thing. Don't come here much, everyone seems to be always ripping someone a new one. Wanna be Ben Franklins and all.

I got into this to fly model airplanes. AMA was a requirement to join the local club. Seems to be doing an ok job all things considered. Some seem to find problems with everything, whether they exist or not. Human nature I guess. On one hand we should be thanking them for possibly seeing things others don't, on another get over yourself.

My post was just an observation from my point of view. Like it or not. If someone wants to remove it, have at it. I could have posted almost anywhere on this site the same. As I said just an observation. There may be other threads I am not aware of, and in no way am labeling anyone pertaining to this thread. An observation. Neil - 7. This 179 or so by now.

My point is that the closing of the AMA forum warrants an almost rabid response from some, who did what or why. It has already degenerated into syntax and grammar errors, just to prove some point. Just doesn't seem too important to me. I of course could be wrong, have to admit that. But life, flying and the AMA will probably go on.

Neil was the real deal, started out flying model airplanes long, long ago. Have a hard time believing he would have had anything to do with some of the discussions here.

Enough said, sorry if I may have hijacked a thread, pointless as it seems. United we stand, divided we fall. Maybe it's time we just all accepted that, got back to some basics and have fun.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 11:08 AM   
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Yes it was you.

You posted it as a closing statement before locking the thread......

FILE IFR,
This is the thread:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=16188

The last post was reported by me as a personal attack with an abuse ticket that was closed by the moderator that wrote the post;

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Ticket closed by Arbo at Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:20 PM
A report ticket for message [Re:Thanks For The Memories!] you participated in
was closed by Arbo at Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:20 PM.

If you'd like to reopen the ticket, simple go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/ticket.aspx?rid=532
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Moderators will be notified again once the ticket is re-opened.

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No opinion, just facts.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 3:50 PM   
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Yes it was you.

You posted it as a closing statement before locking the thread......

FILE IFR,
This is the thread:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=16188

The last post was reported by me as a personal attack with an abuse ticket that was closed by the moderator that wrote the post;

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Ticket closed by Arbo at Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:20 PM
A report ticket for message [Re:Thanks For The Memories!] you participated in
was closed by Arbo at Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:20 PM.

If you'd like to reopen the ticket, simple go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/ticket.aspx?rid=532
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Great proof of the double standards allowed there. No doubt about it, makes everything Arbo said here suspect. His credibility is none existent in my eyes.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:18 PM   
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Great proof of the double standards allowed there. No doubt about it, makes everything Arbo said here suspect. His credibility is none existent in my eyes.


First we get attacks, then we get 'i agree and like you', then more attacks.   

No double standards at all.   Some users report posts non-stop.  Their history is reporting anything they do not like, and 99% of the time it is not a rules violation.    When they are known for such actions, perhaps it is harsh, but their complaints get igored or removed without reading them.   Think of the story of the little boy who cried wolf.    In this case, the person that has cried wolf hundreds of times is pfrank.  He shouldn't be surprised if it is ignored.    I'd bet the admins and EC do the same when he contact them.   For the same reason. 

Of course, he came here to cry wolf as well, when even in the text he posted, it says he can re-open the ticket.    Why doesn't he do that?   I'll ignore it, and he can see how quickly those in charge look at it or take action. 


LCS, you do realize that at one point you were one of the targets of the mass reporting of just about everything you said, right?    If you don't know that, now you do. 




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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:26 PM   
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Great proof of the double standards allowed there. No doubt about it, makes everything Arbo said here suspect. His credibility is none existent in my eyes.


First we get attacks, then we get 'i agree and like you', then more attacks.   

No double standards at all.   Some users report posts non-stop.  Their history is reporting anything they do not like, and 99% of the time it is not a rules violation.    When they are known for such actions, perhaps it is harsh, but their complaints get igored or removed without reading them.   Think of the story of the little boy who cried wolf.    In this case, the person that has cried wolf hundreds of times is pfrank.  He shouldn't be surprised if it is ignored.    I'd bet the admins and EC do the same when he contact them.   For the same reason. 





Remember this;

"BTW........ I see Frank P is back and quickly becoming a PITA.

It looks like he has made complaining about the moderation here his new life focus."

You did not think that was a personal attack either. No double standard leaving that stand.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:28 PM   
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Remember this;

"BTW........ I see Frank P is back and quickly becoming a PITA.

It looks like he has made complaining about the moderation here his new life focus."

You did not think that was a personal attack either. No double standard leaving that stand.

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Got a link to the message with that in it? 



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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:34 PM   
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But that has been explained in the past.     

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:35 PM   
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Great proof of the double standards allowed there. No doubt about it, makes everything Arbo said here suspect. His credibility is none existent in my eyes.


First we get attacks, then we get 'i agree and like you', then more attacks.   



Ahhh... I thjink I said:

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Arbo,

As someone that had posts removed for simply stating my opinions about some of AMA's policies, I really can't agree...


But I still like you...LOL

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:37 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:40 PM   
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Well, considering the fact that no posts were removed because someone stated their opinion of the AMA's policies, it always had to do with rules violations, then by default you agree with me.       Have a great day.

No, I still don't agree...but I am going to have a great day flying with my buds! Thanks.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:44 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:54 PM   
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So Arbo since the forum is being shut dow can you share with us who was the most frequent reported of other members posts that did not break any rules?

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Question; No matter what he said, would you believe it?

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 4:56 PM   
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So Arbo since the forum is being shut dow can you share with us who was the most frequent reported of other members posts that did not break any rules?
 
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I am not going to compile actual stats, as that would be a nightmare of work.    But I can say that dbcisco, KE, LSC were the most report by a group of users.   And a large majority of the time, their posts did not break the rules.    Two of them got so many reports that eventually the admins banned them because they took a lot of reports against someone to mean 'troublemaker'.        There were other groupings of people that didn't seem to like each other, and you knew when they posted you could count on someone reporting it.     You were reported a lot by a couple people.     Another guy who I won't mention due to a mutual agreement between us to not mention each other.   Horrace was usually reported for just about anything he posted, by the same people that constantly reported all the others mentioned. 

The funny thing about that reporting system, is it allowed the user to enter a comment.   Those that usually reported actual violations, would usually state the violation and what in the message broke that rule.   But a good part of the active people on there would attack the user they were reporting.     It was not uncommon to open a ticket and see "this guy is nothing but trouble and you should ban his dumb *** now!", only with a bit more explict and harsh language. 



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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:03 PM   
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So Arbo since the forum is being shut dow can you share with us who was the most frequent reported of other members posts that did not break any rules?
 
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I am not going to compile actual stats, as that would be a nightmare of work.    But I can say that dbcisco, KE, LSC were the most report by a group of users.   And a large majority of the time, their posts did not break the rules.    \



What would be a better question is who was in the "group of users"... since they were actually the real problem IMO

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:04 PM   
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What would be a better question is who was in the "group of users"... since they were actually the real problem IMO


I think that is pretty easy to figure out.  Just think about your interactions with others, and who always seemed to be 'after you'. 



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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:06 PM   
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Do you believe there really was a "group of users" reporting posts that didn't break rules over there? If so, were you one of the group?

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:08 PM   
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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:25 PM   
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Nevermind, I see it is in a thread titled ''Out of Control''.   That thread is in the leader member section.   The only people with the power to moderate that section are admins (meaning AMA employees with that access).   No volunteer moderators can do anything in that forum.

But that has been explained in the past.     

So raise your complaints to the admins. 


Paul,
I'll just have to take your word for that but I do find it strange that if true, why were you the only one that closed abuse tickets and locked threads with a final post in that forum? Don't bother answering; time and time again you have proven you are not capable of civil discourse with anyone that disagrees with you which is why I personally don't think you should have been given the responsibility of judging others.

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:36 PM   
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I'll just have to take your word for that but I do find it strange that if true, why were you the only one that closed abuse tickets and locked threads with a final post in that forum?


I closed tickets about threads in the LM forum when they sat there for a long period of time with no apparent response from the admins, knowing that they had been online several times and thus would have seen the ticket.   While the moderators were good at checking the tickets and acting upon them, then removing them so they didn't clutter up the ticket system, the admins would not respond or remove them, so you never knew if they just found the report to not be a violation or not.   When I started as a moderator, there were litterally hundreds of tickets in the system, and the admins wanted to disable the reporting system.  I pointed out all they had to do was 'close' the one's they have reviewed and acted on or determined they were not violations.   Frank and I busted our backsides clearling out loads of old tickets, most pointing to messages and threads that were long ago removed.    

So when it comes down to it, if a post/thread was reported in the LM section, and there was no action or response in a couple weeks, you can pretty much bet there would never be any action/response.  Time to clear the ticket que.

As stated, not being able to moderate the LM forum, it is not possible for me to lock threads there.   



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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 5:59 PM   
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Do you believe there really was a "group of users" reporting posts that didn't break rules over there? If so, were you one of the group?


I think that ctrout has you chassing a "red herring".

Got to give him credit it sure has got a discussion going................................

The question should be did users over there report posts "THAT DID BREAK THE RULES"?  .....            

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RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum - 8/27/2012 6:08 PM   
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Do you believe there really was a ''group of users'' reporting posts that didn't break rules over there? If so, were you one of the group?


I think that ctrout has you chassing a ''red herring''.

Got to give him credit it sure has got a discussion going................................

The question should be did users over there report posts ''THAT DID BREAK THE RULES''?  .....            

Brad  


You give him to much credit.

In this very string is a perfect example of the problem... Its perfectly fine and acceptable to name the people that were reported inappropriately for violations that weren't violations but withhold who was doing the inappropriate reporting... Can't anyone see how unfair that is? Why is that accepted? The answer to that question will give you an insight that is bust-proof.

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