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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/22/2012 8:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		A lot of clubs these days just suck. They are good ol boy clubs bottom line. There seems to be a bunch of that here, and even here on RCU. Obviously if you've read this far.

I have no problem saying it to their faces, and none of them has been dumb enough to try to assault me in the process. More often than not they cant win the argument, so they just get pissy and stop talking about it, then go to the other end of the field with their good ol boys and talk about me instead.

I do find it amusing how many "keyboard commando's" there are posting about how someone wouldn't say anything to their faces.

LOL @ all you who are taking offense or posting about the OP not being brave enough to say it to their faces. It would be amusing if it weren't so childish.

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/22/2012 8:38 PM   
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I have visited and flown at many fields in my lifetime.   I've really never met one that wasn't friendly  or didn't throw out a welcome mat.    But I am sure there are a few people around that are members that just throw out a bad persona once in awhile.    

However,  before I unload any planes,   I walk around and introduce myself to the other people that are present.   And before I drag anything out,  I always ask  one of the club members if I can use their field.    I've never had one yet, say no!   I have had a few ask if I was a AMA member though.  Big deal.  

Sorry the ole boy had a problem.      

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That seems reasonable. I never go to a field and just fly unless I am a member in good standing and even then I do believe I should be respectful. I am in two clubs and one thing is for sure they are very different. One basically has no rules but the basic just behave yourself and respect others, and the other club is full of rules. I do think the club with more rules has many more problems which I find rather interesting.

I fly accordingly with respect in both situations. Sometimes stuff happens and we make some mistakes. I also notice that it is different in different areas.

Disclaimer: Don't flame I am merely stating what I have seen by observation. If an area is rural with mostly ''country folk'' you just don't have as many issues. If an area has more ''city folk'' you have more problems. I have yet to figure out why that is. Maybe it is because the country flyers are out more often and not couped up in the house? I don't know, but do wonder and have seen it first hand.

To give you an example, this past spring at club ''A'' there was a work day. You never heard so much bickering, cursing, and complaining about stuff in your life. It reminded me of teenagers. One fellow got so mad he packed up his stuff and drove off in a flurry! Club ''B'' also had a work day and all had a great time, got all the work done and even took some time to chat a bit.

Guess what club has the most problems? Just to let you know this was not an unusual incident I have seen problems at club ''A'' multiple times in the past three years. A number of members dropped out this year. I spoke with two different ones and they said way too much crap going on all the time.


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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/22/2012 10:26 PM   
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Thank you for the club info.

And thank you to all the members who addressed my spelling and grammar. I am a simple man who graduated special ed joined the military deployed 5 times and about to go on my 6th. as far as meds don't take any, I did see a DR and after he figured out what was wrong with me he couldn't read his own writing (LOL)

on a serious note I would never want any club suspended. Just to be treated with respect while I am at one or a member of one. I am about to deploy and at this time still have no club to enjoy flying but will continue to search I have 2 weeks left. one that I can fly because my family gets my last weekend.

I do thank all who have posted I have found what I was searching for when I opened this post (piece) Someone once told me to fix your problems listen to others. And to the gentleman who does not have club near him. if you ever open a club please let me know I will donate to your club funds without being a member.

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 2:00 PM   
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I seem to disagree. The club the poster is refuring to is one of the best clubs I have been a member of. I enjoy every time I go there to fly. My interactions with the membership has always been great. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience. I was there on the day in question. My take on the whole thing was there was a lack of field etiquette shown. I don't want to say on which side or both. I can only say that if you feel unconforable flying with us, there are many other fields in the area. I enjoy my time there because there is very little drama and everyone gets along and has fun. If this was not the case I would be flying somewhere else.
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Thank You for clearing that up , Jim , I KNEW just by the way he wrote it , that the Original Poster (Roger) was being unreasonable ..... He seemed to show up at your field with a pre judged notion that the fellow flyers would be "good ol boys" or whatever he called them in his opening post , , , don't sound too complimentary or friendly to me !

Roger , Lighten up , and ya just may find folks a whole lot more welcoming


Maybe Roger was told that it is a "good 'ole boy's club." Maybe the club already has that reputation and word got around? Many times, that is the case. Or maybe it was obvious as a first impression that it is a "good ole boys club." These things happen. I don't think Roger has a bad attitude, he is just stating his opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

Sounds to me that someone was wrong by approaching him while he was flying to ask a question that could have obviously waited until he landed his plane. People have no common sense or courtesy at times.

Moreso, if it is a "good ole boys club," it would not suprise me if the members are even remotely aware that they give that impression. It's not uncommon to run into that in Texas or the South, or any club for that matter.

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 2:12 PM   
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Happened to me too, at fields in Florida. While people seem to question new faces showing up at a field, it's better to observe first. Then approach and introduce yourself, and develop a conversation ... Not an interrogation.

People set things off on the wrong foot when they approach someone and immediately begin asking questions before introducing themselves. Those are the oblivious people. Then they wonder why someone takes offense!

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 2:21 PM   
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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 3:40 PM   
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I didn't read anywhere in the first post where anyone came up behind him and talked to/yelled at him....rather just stood there until he landed.



According to the original post, here's what happened:

One of the bright morons decided to grab my card walk up behind me while i was coming in for a landing and stand behind me. Well he distracted me and i almost crashed my airplane.

No talking, as you suggest. Just standing there. Could be a distraction for some if they have not learned to tune out everything not related to what they are doing. If so, that's the fault of the non-selective tuner who almost crashed.

And don't forget to call out your intentions- such as landing so that the "morons" know not to interfere. When I fly full size, I announce entering the landing pattern to the pax and then turn off the intercom. Noise distraction problem instantly solved.

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 3:48 PM   
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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/23/2012 8:11 PM   
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Can't we "Just all Get Along"    Everyone knows or should know you NEVER, in this hobby, just show up at a new club  and proceed to fly. Every club has it own rules and procedures. It is a new persons responsibility to become informed of such rules and procedures and acquainted with the locals and "THEIR" club.  Most clubs rent or if lucky own their field. They pay for the privilege of flying on that property with their dues and hard work. With approximately 500 thousand people in this hobby and only about 140 thousand members of the AMA, it's a pretty good chance that the new comer is not an AMA member, has no insurance and knows little of the proper procedures when flying in a club environment. No one would be happy with someone coming onto their property and just without so much as an introduction just set up and proceed to take advantage of the facilities. Just saying  use common seance and respect the Good O'l Boys Mentality. Chances are they are the reason the facility is there in the first place. Usually they are the ones that have put in the sweet, money, and hard work for the facility your are about to take advantage of.  If you ASK very seldom, with the proper requirements met, be turned down or refused, and probably very well welcomed.



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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 1:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		We,  as guest, must also realize that there are  members of some clubs,   well,  most clubs,  that really don't like seeing new faces at  their field.   They would rather keep the club membership   small and private.     It's possible that  Roger encountered the   "clique"  of the club.   Who knows.  

I wasn't there so I can't judge what happened.   Just looks like one thing lead to another and got out of hand.   Hopefully the club will get it worked out and the rogue members will learn   that we are all in this together.  

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 6:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see where some of you are referring to some clubs in the south being "good ole boys" clubs. I'm just curious as to what you think a "good ole boy" club is?

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 7:54 PM   
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I see where some of you are referring to some clubs in the south being ''good ole boys'' clubs. I'm just curious as to what you think a ''good ole boy'' club is?



I believe , If you check post #1 of this very thread , , , , , That the first mention of "good ol boys" was made by the Original Poster himself . Further , if you read on to post #11 , you will see that I called the OP out on his use of the term to describe his fellow Texans .... See , Thing is , , I hate stereotype nicknames like that cause they are usually used by someone without any other ammo as a cheap shot against the opposing side . I am so far NORTH that I can just about see Santa Claus' house , and he don't like either the derogatory form of "good ol boys" , , Nor "Damn Yankees" either .... So , With that out of the way , , , Yes , I'd like to hear everyone's description of "Good ol boys" also ......

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 9:21 PM   
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Good O'l Boys  ...   Every club has'em  usually these are the 10% that do all the work. Volunteer to run the events, that are necessary to make money to keep your dues reasonable. Be glad ya have these types around they become the Back Bone of any good R/C Club. You will usually find the people that complain about the "Good O'l Boys" are the type that always have an excuse when asked to put out a little effort for the club. The ones that always have something more important pending. Unfortunately   they are the first to raise a stink when the dues have to go up. You all know the type, every club has this type too. Trouble is the club needs them both ... the Doers and the payers. There is a saying.

There are those that "MAKE"  things happen. 

Then there are  those that "WATCH" things happen.

And finally there are those that "WONDER" what happened.

Now I ask what group do you fit in?



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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 9:36 PM   
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Good O'l Boys  ...   Every club has'em  usually these are the 10% that do all the work. Volunteer to run the events, that are necessary to make money to keep your dues reasonable. Be glad ya have these types around they become the Back Bone of any good R/C Club. You will usually find the people that complain about the ''Good O'l Boys'' are the type that always have an excuse when asked to put out a little effort for the club. The ones that always have something more important pending. Unfortunately   they are the first to raise a stink when the dues have to go up. You all know the type, every club has this type too. Trouble is the club needs them both ... the Doers and the payers. There is a saying.

There are those that ''MAKE''  things happen. 

Then there are  those that ''WATCH'' things happen.

And finally there are those that ''WONDER'' what happened.

Now I ask what group do you fit in?





Lets see if we can clear this up .................

The question asked about "good ol boys" is NOT about the use of it by people meaning COMPLIMENT ..... The Original Poster , Roger , DID NOT CALL THEM GOOD OL BOYS TO PRAISE THEM , NO , , , , MAKE NO MISTAKE , , , IT WAS SAID TO INSULT !

Now , that we got the nicey nice version of it described by the post I've quoted , now lets hear about the label in the way the OP meant it ...............

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 10:22 PM   
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Good O'l Boys  ...   Every club has'em  usually these are the 10% that do all the work. Volunteer to run the events, that are necessary to make money to keep your dues reasonable. Be glad ya have these types around they become the Back Bone of any good R/C Club. You will usually find the people that complain about the ''Good O'l Boys'' are the type that always have an excuse when asked to put out a little effort for the club. The ones that always have something more important pending. Unfortunately   they are the first to raise a stink when the dues have to go up. You all know the type, every club has this type too. Trouble is the club needs them both ... the Doers and the payers. There is a saying.

There are those that ''MAKE''  things happen. 

Then there are  those that ''WATCH'' things happen.

And finally there are those that ''WONDER'' what happened.

Now I ask what group do you fit in?





Lets see if we can clear this up .................

The question asked about "good ol boys" is NOT about the use of it by people meaning COMPLIMENT ..... The Original Poster , Roger , DID NOT CALL THEM GOOD OL BOYS TO PRAISE THEM , NO , , , , MAKE NO MISTAKE , , , IT WAS SAID TO INSULT !

Now , that we got the nicey nice version of it described by the post I've quoted , now lets hear about the label in the way the OP meant it ...............

No Kidding .... but then you have consider the source .... again

there are those that ''WONDER'' what happened.




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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 10:52 PM   
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I left out deer hunting...

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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/24/2012 11:08 PM   
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Good O'l Boys  ...   Every club has'em  usually these are the 10% that do all the work. Volunteer to run the events, that are necessary to make money to keep your dues reasonable. Be glad ya have these types around they become the Back Bone of any good R/C Club. You will usually find the people that complain about the ''Good O'l Boys'' are the type that always have an excuse when asked to put out a little effort for the club. The ones that always have something more important pending. Unfortunately   they are the first to raise a stink when the dues have to go up. You all know the type, every club has this type too. Trouble is the club needs them both ... the Doers and the payers. There is a saying.

There are those that ''MAKE''  things happen. 

Then there are  those that ''WATCH'' things happen.

And finally there are those that ''WONDER'' what happened.

Now I ask what group do you fit in?





That group is also known as "The 20% Club" !


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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/25/2012 1:25 AM   
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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/25/2012 1:42 AM   
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RE: bad rc flying fields - 9/25/2012 5:07 AM   
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"Good Ole Boys" is that group of long term insiders in any organization (think Washington DC) who can do no wrong no matter how outrageous, illegal, immoral, sickening or other ways distasteful the act is to the great majority of the population. It is not a complimentary term and I don't believe the OP meant it to be so.


Sorry but the OP sounds like a whinny little baby ... Take your ball and go home. Learn to play the game. It's always the Whinny little do nothings that think they have been wronged. Too many people think they have all the rights with no effort on their part. Well it ain't so. Too many people have put in too much effort  time sweet and money, to have some wipper snapper come along and think he can just make up his own rules, and change the game.  Learn to be respectful and don't take your whinny wimpy problems public. Be a man and if you really beleave you were wronged then take it up with the guys that you beleave wronged you. Don't go looking for sympthay.
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RE: bad rc flying fields - 10/25/2012 7:42 PM   
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''Good Ole Boys'' is that group of long term insiders in any organization (think Washington DC) who can do no wrong no matter how outrageous, illegal, immoral, sickening or other ways distasteful the act is to the great majority of the population. It is not a complimentary term and I don't believe the OP meant it to be so.


Sorry but the OP sounds like a whinny little baby ... Take your ball and go home. Learn to play the game. It's always the Whinny little do nothings that think they have been wronged. Too many people think they have all the rights with no effort on their part. Well it ain't so. Too many people have put in too much effort  time sweet and money, to have some wipper snapper come along and think he can just make up his own rules, and change the game.  Learn to be respectful and don't take your whinny wimpy problems public. Be a man and if you really beleave you were wronged then take it up with the guys that you beleave wronged you. Don't go looking for sympthay.
Like I said ''There those that WONDER what happened,'' for their whole life.




Well said for a "good ol boy"

Like I said earlier, can't win the argument so they talk about you
....in this case, can't win the argument so talk **** about the OP instead.

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