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AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 2:36 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 2:54 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 2:55 AM   
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BTW, there are people who are neither U.S. citizens nor illegal aliens.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 3:02 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 3:16 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 4:16 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 5:49 AM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 10:27 AM   
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I know were accepted (we are mostly republicans) But we are not talking politics here because it would cause the thread to be locked down.

The AMA does not discriminate against individuals with memory issues either.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 11:24 AM   
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I am sorry I do not recall asking the question two years ago-I did not mean to offend nor trespass on you-thanks

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 2:43 PM   
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Does AMA require US citizenship or may a illegal alien become a AMA member-thanks

Jim,

Just wondering, why this question?

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 4:45 PM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 6:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually guys, a non-resident alien should not be applying for a standard AMA membership. They first must be a member of the ama equivalent in their home country then they apply for the AMA's affiliated membership:

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 7:54 PM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 8:00 PM   
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Does AMA require US citizenship or may a illegal alien become a AMA member-thanks



To give you a specific answer to your specific question: The AMA does not require citizenship. Yes, an illegal alien could get AMA membership, of course.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 8:27 PM   
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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 9:31 PM   
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Does AMA require US citizenship or may a illegal alien become a AMA member-thanks


I don't think this is a political response at all so WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?  Is US citizenship required - I think that has been answered well.  But Texas sure don't take kindly to any illegals hanging around, and neither do I.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/25/2012 10:12 PM   
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Actually guys, a non-resident alien should not be applying for a standard AMA membership. They first must be a member of the ama equivalent in their home country then they apply for the AMA's affiliated membership:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/903.pdf


This is what I also thought .

Thing is , the OP specifically added "Illegal" before the word alien , and if they are in the country Illegally , I highly doubt the AMA's insurance carrier(s) would cover such a "member" if there were an incident .

That's the bottom line for most , yes , to know if this person's actions would be covered , insurance wise ? Sure , the AMA would take their money and issue a membership , but the simple act of being in the country Illegally would mean that the membership and it's benefits would most likely be null and void when called into the ugly light of a court of law .....

Bottom line is , where the subject is Illegal , the deep pocketed insurance company's Lawyers would most certainly find a way to absolve their company of the fiscal responsibility of this Illegal's actions ...

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 12:18 AM   
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but the simple act of being in the country Illegally would mean that the membership and it's benefits would most likely be null and void when called into the ugly light of a court of law .....


I take it you aren't a lawyer. Being here illegally has a number of serious consequences, including the possibility that you may be deported (unless the administration issues an executive order saying we won't deport your sort of illegal alien). But it doesn't mean you are deprived of all legal protection. If you are here illegally and buy an insurance policy, you are entitled to the benefits of whatever you bought. A court will no more take that away from you than it will make you give back all the stuff you have bought. There is no law that says aliens, even those here illegally, forfeit all their legal rights.

As several of us told the OP the first time he asked, AMA membership is not limited to US citizens. The fact that there are special requirements for people who are not U.S. (or Canadian) residents doesn't change that; residence and citizenship are not the same thing.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 1:31 AM   
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I take it you aren't a lawyer. Being here illegally has a number of serious consequences, including the possibility that you may be deported (unless the administration issues an executive order saying we won't deport your sort of illegal alien). But it doesn't mean you are deprived of all legal protection.


Nope , not a Lawyer , just a guy who saw a friend get screwed by an insurance company that denied coverage for a drunk Illegal alien who slammed his car into my buddy's car .... The deep pocket insurance Co. figured a way around paying that claim right quick cause the drunk was Illegal .....

I take it YOU ain't an insurance case Lawyer either ..............


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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 1:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have a citation to a judicial opinion in the case you've described? As it happens, I do have a fair amount of experience with insurance law. "An illegal alien hit my friend and it wasn't covered by insurance" tells us nothing. For instance, was it the illegal alien's policy or someone else's? Was the court's decision based on lack of coverage, on who was at fault, or what? And so on. A story like yours, with no detail, is of no help in understanding what the law on this is. It's like saying "A guy named Jones ran over my friend and didn't have to pay. This shows that the courts always rule in favor of guys named Jones." Well, no.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 2:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guy comes to a fly in. Shows his AMA card. How do we know it is his card? No matter where he is from. "IF" something happens then we know I figure. Maybe? This is one of those things I like to follow on RCU. Always fun. Besides what do we have to do to get a card? Just asking.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 2:17 AM   
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Do you have a citation to a judicial opinion in the case you've described? As it happens, I do have a fair amount of experience with insurance law. ''An illegal alien hit my friend and it wasn't covered by insurance'' tells us nothing. For instance, was it the illegal alien's policy or someone else's? Was the court's decision based on lack of coverage, on who was at fault, or what? And so on. A story like yours, with no detail, is of no help in understanding what the law on this is. It's like saying ''A guy named Jones ran over my friend and didn't have to pay. This shows that the courts always rule in favor of guys named Jones.'' Well, no.



Hi Top Gunn

The Illegal guy borrowed the car from one of his workmates . The car was properly registered and insured , but since the guy was Illegal , he had no US driver's licence . Even though he had borrowed the car with permission of it's owner , the Insurance refused to pay for the damages because the Illegal guy was breaking the law by driving without a licence . This left my friend to do one of two things , sue the owner of the car that hit his , cause the insurance denied them , or claim it under his own insurance and get hit with a huge deductable and points on his policy (costs more per given level of insurance) ..... Well , of course he wasn't gonna take the time from work and go to the bother of a court case over a $6K car getting totalled , It'd cost him $10K to get any satisfaction !

Now , If need be , I can probablly produce pictures of my buddy's wrecked car , but the point being that there is never a "one size fits all" blanket answer you can give when courts are involved , and you as a Lawyer or whatever legal personnel you are should know this first hand ..... Once the time comes for insurance companies to have to pay a claim , they look for any and every angle possible to whittle down the award to the lowest possible amount . So called insurance "Adjusters" are there to adjust all right , they're there to attempt to adjust DOWN the money their company has to pay !

So yes , I do believe an insurance company would try to distance itself if an Illegal hurt someone with a model plane , just as I believe my friend lost out big time in my example above .....

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 3:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, thanks for the added detail. If I understand your story, the reason the guy wasn't covered was that he had no driver's license (not that the decision makes sense, even with that fact in the mix). I don't think the case has any relevance to the AMA insurance question. It certainly doesn't show that being here illegally means you can't have insurance for anything. In fact, your story is about an illegal alien who did not have insurance. It's true, of course, that insurance companies often try to deny coverage when they can. But they don't always win, and denying coverage on the ground that the person they sold insurance to was here illegally seems like a likely loser to me.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 5:42 AM   
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Do you have a citation to a judicial opinion in the case you've described? As it happens, I do have a fair amount of experience with insurance law. ''An illegal alien hit my friend and it wasn't covered by insurance'' tells us nothing. For instance, was it the illegal alien's policy or someone else's? Was the court's decision based on lack of coverage, on who was at fault, or what? And so on. A story like yours, with no detail, is of no help in understanding what the law on this is. It's like saying ''A guy named Jones ran over my friend and didn't have to pay. This shows that the courts always rule in favor of guys named Jones.'' Well, no.



Hi Top Gunn

The Illegal guy borrowed the car from one of his workmates . The car was properly registered and insured , but since the guy was Illegal , he had no US driver's licence . Even though he had borrowed the car with permission of it's owner , the Insurance refused to pay for the damages because the Illegal guy was breaking the law by driving without a licence . This left my friend to do one of two things , sue the owner of the car that hit his , cause the insurance denied them , or claim it under his own insurance and get hit with a huge deductable and points on his policy (costs more per given level of insurance) ..... Well , of course he wasn't gonna take the time from work and go to the bother of a court case over a $6K car getting totalled , It'd cost him $10K to get any satisfaction !

Now , If need be , I can probablly produce pictures of my buddy's wrecked car , but the point being that there is never a "one size fits all" blanket answer you can give when courts are involved , and you as a Lawyer or whatever legal personnel you are should know this first hand ..... Once the time comes for insurance companies to have to pay a claim , they look for any and every angle possible to whittle down the award to the lowest possible amount . So called insurance "Adjusters" are there to adjust all right , they're there to attempt to adjust DOWN the money their company has to pay !

So yes , I do believe an insurance company would try to distance itself if an Illegal hurt someone with a model plane , just as I believe my friend lost out big time in my example above .....

Happy Flying ...........


The real reason the insurance got out of paying was because their insured loaned his car to someone with out a U.S. drivers license which he should have
know was a no no. If my car had been hit I would have made a claim with my insurance and let them go after who ever. However there are legal ways that
a none citzien can drive in most any country because people on vacation rent cars all the time while in other countrys but your regular private ins wont cover
loaning your car like a commercial policy would.

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RE: AMA-Citizenship Requirement? - 9/26/2012 1:14 PM   
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I take it you aren't a lawyer. Being here illegally has a number of serious consequences, including the possibility that you may be deported (unless the administration issues an executive order saying we won't deport your sort of illegal alien). But it doesn't mean you are deprived of all legal protection.


Nope , not a Lawyer , just a guy who saw a friend get screwed by an insurance company that denied coverage for a drunk Illegal alien who slammed his car into my buddy's car .... The deep pocket insurance Co. figured a way around paying that claim right quick cause the drunk was Illegal .....

I take it YOU ain't an insurance case Lawyer either ..............




FYI if you have insurance on your car, and an illegal drivinw w/o license, while intoxicated, while smoking pot hits your car. Your insurance will pay. Period.

If Santa hits you with his sled, and speed aweay into a cloud, it will pay.

If YOU do not have comprehensive coverage, well, different story altogether...

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