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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 12:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am happy to go to our field and fly or sometimes just sit with a couple of friends and watch the clouds go by. Maybe we will fly and maybe not. I feel the hobby is not about flying but making the best out of what you have. Flying will always be there. Good friends will eventually go away for one reason or another. If you and one or two others show up at your field have fun with it. You don't need 25-30 flyers around to have a good time.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 12:18 AM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 1:29 AM   
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Status: online 		Right there with ya mike. Half of it is about getting outside, talking with like-minded people, forgetting about your problems, and talking about nothing more than planes. Its funny how I can spend 6 hours at the field and fly 3 times. Its about more than flying, its a great stress reliever (well, that is, assuming there are no unfortuate incidents).


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I am happy to go to our field and fly or sometimes just sit with a couple of friends and watch the clouds go by. Maybe we will fly and maybe not. I feel the hobby is not about flying but making the best out of what you have. Flying will always be there. Good friends will eventually go away for one reason or another. If you and one or two others show up at your field have fun with it. You don't need 25-30 flyers around to have a good time.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 4:57 AM   
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So I mispelled WHINERS you got the point. And it has been corrected. As for winners and losers, you mean to tell me every kid should not get a trophy. Ohhhhhh the horror of it. Choke, gag, puke. Hell no. Losers not only should not get a trophy but, as I had to do in LL, applaude the winner's. Sure made me wanna work harder to be a winner. Might have something to do with why and how I retired at 45 years of age.



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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 3:15 PM   
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Right there with ya mike. Half of it is about getting outside, talking with like-minded people, forgetting about your problems, and talking about nothing more than planes. Its funny how I can spend 6 hours at the field and fly 3 times. Its about more than flying, its a great stress reliever (well, that is, assuming there are no unfortuate incidents).


Dave


Last Saturday I went to the field and it was a bit breezy. Nobody was there. Let me tell you, it is not the same to fly alone than when you are in a group... Much more fun if there is social interaction, you learn about other models, etc.

Did 4 flights, went home.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 4:04 PM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 4:45 PM   
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There used to be a rule. You had to build the airplane you entered in the contest. Whatever happened to that?

That's a great rule. Which one of the following builds would satisfy that rule:

1. building from scratch?
2. building a kit?
3. building an ARF?

I assume that #3, building an ARF, would violate the rule.






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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 5:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a hobby and should be treated as such,some like it some dont,I DO,I am a builder and fly some but not very will so I build and I love it.I get a set of plans enlarge,modify.First the engine size then build the plane around it and as far as noise if you cant hear it,why fly it. arfs have ruined the (Hobby-Sport)of RC aircraft as far as building and being proud of the finished product and to see in flite.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 5:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		After reading all the comments I believe there are a few areas doing well and even growing, but for most parts of the country that isn't the case, well at least where I live its not! Talking to a club member the other day, that also has quite a bit of rc planes and equipment, he stated we are already too deep in it to just get out, that is if we don't want to pretty much give all our stuff away! I will not buy any new planes and only get what is necessary to keep the current planes going. I will just have to trudge on and hope this multi-year downward trend will miraculasly turn its self around! I do really enjoy flying my planes but the maintaince is the part that I have to force myself to do, but if you don't fix them sooner or later you will have nothing to fly! I never thought in my wildest imagination that when I was amassing my fleet of planes that there could be a possibility that they might out last the hobby, Well in my area at least!

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 7:58 PM  1 votes
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... arfs have ruined the (Hobby-Sport)of RC ...


For whom???? Builders who are proud of their product don't buy ARFS, so their hobby isn't ruined.
Non-builders don't care that they bought an ARF, so their hobby isn't ruined.

So I'm not sure how ARFs have ruined the hobby for anyone, unless you are upset that somebody else bought an ARF.

Kurt


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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 8:06 PM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		This is a great thread! I am a builder and an old f_rt! I've been in the hobby for over 60 years, starting at a very young age, of course. At my field, ARFs predominate with only a few members in the 50+size club really builders. Thats OK, we all get along and enjoy the hobby and get out of it what we want. The fellowship is as important as the flying.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 8:45 PM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 10:17 PM   
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RCPaul   said it right the fellowship is just as much fun as the flying. helping each other out and just having a good time.



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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/5/2012 10:55 PM   
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... arfs have ruined the (Hobby-Sport)of RC ...


For whom???? Builders who are proud of their product don't buy ARFS, so their hobby isn't ruined.
Non-builders don't care that they bought an ARF, so their hobby isn't ruined.

So I'm not sure how ARFs have ruined the hobby for anyone, unless you are upset that somebody else bought an ARF.

Kurt

I would be the last person to say that ARFs ruined the hobby as I got started with a few myself, although I'm exclusively a builder now. I wouldn't dismiss the statement that was made however, as the people behind them, not the ARFs themselves, can be a different story. I have had a few smart remarks made toward my builds from builders, but in the past few years, there has been a mass increase of people on some forums (more on another forum than here by far) that contribute nothing but smart remarks and challenging of others. They tend to be ARFers and not builders. Again not the fault of the ARFs, but just the people. That may have had some influence on the original poster of the ARF statement.


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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/6/2012 1:11 AM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/6/2012 3:44 AM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/6/2012 4:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		+1, dave..  I will sontetimes carry 2 or 3 planes, and only fly 3 or 4 times in a 5 hour session, the rest of the time is spent with fellow modlers engaging in "Hangar Flying"..  just haveing like minded people to talk to is a great stress reliever for me..

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/6/2012 2:42 PM   
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Stereotyping at its finest!

Kurt

Go to RCSB, and try to find even 1 contributing builder that has caused even 1/100th as many problems as about 50 regulars at another place that starts with an R, and is not RCU. None of those 50 regulars are builders, as far as I would know. Not a stereotype, but just an observation.


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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/23/2012 2:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not so in Canada. Every week someone new joins our club. Just went to our MAAC(Canadian version of AMA) zone meeting and it was a record attendance.You need good hobby stores in your area to generate interest-not only online stores. Canada has a new store(Great Hobbies) in all the major markets and they are generating excitement. Your initial purchase usually is in a store,not online so you need well stocked stores.The problem in the US is the absence of any major hobby store chain that have well stocked stores.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/23/2012 2:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sarah, you are absolutely correct in the fact that we need better stores. Problem is the store's are not in it to promote the hobby. Only to make a buck. The easiest way to do that is to cater to the now crowd. At least that is their mindset. I have talked with several of the LHS's to no avail on this issue. Not all are that way, but most. Another large part of the problem, here at least, is the overburdening government regulation's, excessive taxation, lack of descent help, and insurance. I use to be in buisiness for myself and was so for 27 year's. Two factor's made me dicide to retire early,  #1 government regulation and  #2 the mentality of employee's. It all became more than it was worth to stay open.


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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/23/2012 8:32 PM   
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Kits required learning skills and developing craftsmanship - hobby activities. ARFs removed patience, dedication, and craftsmanship from the equation. Electric foamies moved it into the amusement/toy category.

Yeah, that kinda falls in line with the comment previously made about folks "getting out of the hobby". You just don't "get out of the hobby", when craftsmanship and building are a way of life for you. Not to compare it with the mob, but a person just can't quit when they are into it like that. Folks get upset when "the hobby" is not characterized as the same thing, whether they are foam RTFers or 100% scratch builders. Reality is simply that it's not the same thing. It shouldn't be considered demeaning or insulting either, as it's simply a difference. If a person becomes bored with flying and doesn't build, then that's pretty much the end of it for them. I haven't flown in a month, but I just finished my last project a few days ago, and am actively searching for the next one to start. I don't think I can go more than a week without building, although I think I'll finally get around to flying the last few yet unflown completed builds in the next few days, with some great weather coming.

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/23/2012 10:28 PM   
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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 10/30/2012 6:39 PM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		Ya'know what's funny?   I'm 27 years old, and I couldn't agree with you guys more.  (Those of you who are older than I am.)

The entitlement culture has absolutely zero desire to put EFFORT into anything.  They're lazy, fat, and all they want is the next iPhone or iPad.  They will never sit down and work on anything that requires time, dedication, and a sense of mechanics.  They don't know how to change a flat tire on the side of a road, and they don't know how to install a ceiling fan in their homes.  They're absolutely useless on every level, and just milking us that DO KNOW how to do things dry.  

It's sad that at MY AGE, I can see it clear as day, and agree with you guys.  The society of today, or "$30,000 millionaries" is too busy buying $250 designer jeans, wasting money at the club on $16 drinks, and spending all their time chasing worthless ****s who suck their pockets dry.  They're too naive to see it happening right in front of their faces, and still come home empty at the end of the night. 

Hobbies are a fantastic thing to do in your free time.  Especially those that mentally challenge you, and can possibly physically challenge you as well.  (My other "hobby" is mountain biking.  I freakin' love it).

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

 

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 11/1/2012 2:11 PM   
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It is sad to see the majority of younger people with NO DESIRE(beneath them, they think) to learn any mechanical skills that would save them a fortune in their lifetime! I had a neighbor kid come over a while back and complain about an auto shop wanting to charge him $60 to change the serpentine belt on his pick up. I told him I would do it for half that! I grabbed my ratchet and an extension and bent back the spring tensioner and had the belt changed in 5 minutes! The neighbor kid freaked out that it would have cost him $60 for 5 minutes work and I told him to buy me a 6 pack of new castle brown ale and we were even. Most kids today think that they have to be taught everything and can't learn anything on their own with a little reseach and effort on their part, I'm sure there are a million videos on youtube on how to change a serpentine belt!

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RE: The times, they are a changin! Say it ain't so Joe? - 11/1/2012 10:49 PM   
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"Lazy, fat..."
Never...work on anything that requires time, dedication, and a sense of mechanics."
"...absolutely useless on every level..."

I think it's sad a 27 year old sounds like an octogenarian.

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