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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 6:20 AM   
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You post laws for texas panhandle proving my flight is illegal per faa and I'll never do it again and pull the vid. them's some bold statements Sir.


Glad you asked.  In Texas you don't even have to cause damage!

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.05.00.html

Another clue.  FAA has no jurisdiction for this.

 



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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 6:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice one, had me second guessing. That thing reads like the magna carta or something, its like the 1992 3d pictures you had to stare at in partial strabismus to have it pop out at you.

The article had such little to do with aerial rc flying i quit reading halfway

But if you care to quote, not summarize, any aspect of it less than ten lines I'm a huckleberry or something.

Its protecting entry into an airplane man

But i like you. Judging by the avatar and bound in the matrimony blanket of ama compliance you and i could fly together and probably get along.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 11:46 AM   
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You post laws for texas panhandle proving my flight is illegal per faa and I'll never do it again and pull the vid. them's some bold statements Sir.


Glad you asked.  In Texas you don't even have to cause damage!

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.05.00.html

Another clue.  FAA has no jurisdiction for this.

 



I saw aircraft listed, but not anything about airspace (overflying property). If flying an aircraft over a "posted" home is trespassing then scale aircraft are in violation daily. I perceive this is being mis-interpreted. Some of the folks that know law could chime in and correct us.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 1:48 PM   
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its not trespassing that poster was wrong.

Ive seen that vid its sick!!!!!! also have you seen the russian guy who has a quad w a friggin full auto machine gun google it


Yeah, I think so...has the targets that he shoots? If so, that was crazy. What would happen if that copter turns 360 while shooting - not good?


Maybe good... hard to tell...

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 1:55 PM   
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You post laws for texas panhandle proving my flight is illegal per faa and I'll never do it again and pull the vid. them's some bold statements Sir.


Glad you asked.  In Texas you don't even have to cause damage!

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.05.00.html

Another clue.  FAA has no jurisdiction for this.

 



I saw aircraft listed, but not anything about airspace (overflying property). If flying an aircraft over a "posted" home is trespassing then scale aircraft are in violation daily. I perceive this is being mis-interpreted. Some of the folks that know law could chime in and correct us.


I assume you mean full scale aircraft.  Prior court ruling protect them provided they stay within the FAA minimum alitude.  That means they could be trespasing if flying less than 500 feet from people or structures in rural areas, or at an altitude less than 1000 feet above densely populated areas such as a housing development.  Also helicopters are protected if flying established helicopter routes.  They are also ptotected when near airports.  Yes, often violated.


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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 3:27 PM   
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its not trespassing that poster was wrong.

Ive seen that vid its sick!!!!!! also have you seen the russian guy who has a quad w a friggin full auto machine gun google it


Yeah, I think so...has the targets that he shoots? If so, that was crazy. What would happen if that copter turns 360 while shooting - not good?


Maybe good... hard to tell...

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Totally cracked me up! All about perception there

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 4:38 PM   
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No critical details were left out of the poll question. It's a very simple straight forward question requiring a simple answer perhaps with a brief explanation.......nothing more, nothing less.
If there are perceived ''details'' left out they are ones that would satisfy YOU and your somewhat twisted views on this subject. You keep adding ingredients to the mix and spinning  in hopes that more people will ''agree'' with you on these minor issues and in your mind that will make the big picture or the bigger detail in question OK.  I said it once and I'll say it again; that's very juvenile behavior .




I think you summed it up nicely here very childish behavior. This poor guy did something really stupid, got called on it, and is now squirming to try and justify it as OK.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 5:42 PM   
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This poor guy did something really stupid, got called on it, and is now squirming to try and justify it as OK.



I say take it easy on the poor guy, he has already said he will no longer fly over neighbors that don't want him to, what else do you want the guy to do? You have to start somewhere with people.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 5:50 PM   
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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 7:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brandon - I'm curious. Your sig says you are from Olfen, Texas. I was wondering about the size of the city you were flying and tried to check it out in Google maps.
Google Maps doesn't know where Olfen, Texas is.

Is that a suburb of Dallas?

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 7:25 PM   
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Agreed. People who started out saying all ama flying was safe and all rc craft are dangerous around people were shown to relax some initial claims we've all made progress.


OK I reread the thread and I never saw anyone make that case (all RC is safe). As someone said, the situation with RC is like gun safety, there are best practices to maximize safety but accidents can always happen with any set of rules.

I have seen you try make a case that since one part of the hobby is not 100% safe then what you do is OK. This to me is the "straw man" problem in your argument.

Why don't you try to make that argument directly and see how it holds up. I will try to start it out for you:

Since park flying is not 100% safe and exposes people to some risks, flying FPV over homes/people with a (very very light) plane is OK because.....?

take it from there.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 8:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		John if you don't mind I don't want to get city specific, any whacko here who has discerned my vid and uplink freq can purposefully make a rig to down me, so if you don't mind Im not dodging but this is my reasoning. increases chance of someone using a competing vtx on purpose...

Someone with more time than sense will certainly hit me on an isp ping or something and post it anyway
My goal is not having competing frequencies, its been clean for a decade.

i posted Texas that's enough to verify state and federal

Find any city in Texas where its illegal I'll tell you if i live there.
Matt Im working on some cool captions gimme a sec.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 8:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		actually in re reading your green recap again no captions are needed, thats a good summary.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 8:29 PM   
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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 8:40 PM   
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Nothing personal, you understand.

Can you imagine the fuss when RC began to emerge?

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/19/2012 9:43 PM   
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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 2:25 AM   
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The owner will be arrested for reckless endangerment when that plane comes down on a busy street and causes public damage or injuries.

Thirdly, the local media will have a field day with this story, and make the operator of that aircraft look like a big jerk for even having thought of doing such a thing. The basic question will be, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!?

The local DA may prosecute, and now you are looking a criminal charges and spending a year or two in jail.

Plus, you will get sued by the person you injured or caused property damage to.

Your life will be ruined ... all because you wanted to fly your toy plane over your neighborhood. (This situation will make you look like a bigger jerk if you attempted this at night!)
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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 2:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now lets add a little more to the mix, I don't give ya'll all my ammunition up front you get it parsed as needed.

Local news did a story once on my plane


They asked the local city codes dept if there are laws about flying planes over houses and they said no there aren't, its a non issue.

This was in the news report. They didn't include threats of "if he crashed I will incarcerate him immediately" or anything, likely because they and local pd are out shopping for robbers and people who don't mow lawns and stuff.

My city has actually reviewed my flights, neat huh.

Im telling you to no avail lots of prep went into this.

So, proof. There are like 4 cool people in this thread who won't out my city for the reasons I mentioned. I'll pm you the news link and you can watch the whole clip with the understanding you repost it to nobody you can just say "yep, thats what they said"



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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:05 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD8Am7LcLjA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

My 6 year old flew his radian with lights too. Doesn't make the news in Los Angeles!

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:06 AM   
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quote from a viewer of the clip in that city above:
They're model airplanes that a ***group*** of people were flying on FM 179. I passed right by them.

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:36 AM   
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elect officials that prevent lightweight drone flights in a city if you want to.

I'll live in places that allow it, as i currently do.

my prediction is faa will define a weight that allows civilian uavs to continue

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:49 AM   
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Now lets add a little more to the mix, I don't give ya'll all my ammunition up front you get it parsed as needed.

Local news did a story once on my plane


They asked the local city codes dept if there are laws about flying planes over houses and they said no there aren't, its a non issue.

This was in the news report. They didn't include threats of "if he crashed I will incarcerate him immediately" or anything, likely because they and local pd are out shopping for robbers and people who don't mow lawns and stuff.

My city has actually reviewed my flights, neat huh.

Im telling you to no avail lots of prep went into this.

So, proof. There are like 4 cool people in this thread who won't out my city for the reasons I mentioned. I'll pm you the news link and you can watch the whole clip with the understanding you repost it to nobody you can just say "yep, thats what they said"





Please post the archive news article link to your story.



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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:53 AM   
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Tell the one again about why flying over houses is as safe as park flying, that one is much more entertaining on a slow Friday of babysitting!

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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 3:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Matt that was a reference to the ridiculous writing of Airplanes400 in the poll thread. its exaggerated wildly.



You were on my very tip top list as one of the cool ones walenda, I can't link to you fast enough



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RE: garage launch slowstick 12am - 10/20/2012 1:02 PM   
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Matt that was a reference to the ridiculous writing of Airplanes400 in the poll thread. its exaggerated wildly.



You were on my very tip top list as one of the cool ones walenda, I can't link to you fast enough



Please bear with me as this is a long post.

Many of these posts are way overdone. Risk taking is the reason we have much of the technology we do today! Pure and simple. There are thousands of thousands of laws in the US and most of them are a total wacked out mess. You probably would not be able to turn your lights on if you knew the heart of the matter as there is probably some law to forbid it. More important is to respect your fellow man and do what is right by that pretense.

Respect will not fail anyone - might make some mad, but overall is unfailing. Man's laws have failed over and over again and have a consistency of doing so. That is why they have to keep adding a law or rule at every blink of the eye and complexity reigns. Many call it Red Tape or rule bloat. I have seen Red Tape blind good visions many times over now.

I looked at the poll and there are no variables at all. It is just basically should FPVs fly over populated areas? What the heck good is that? Without any information you could just respond yes or no. You could do the same thing and state should kites fly over populated areas (because a kite string is unsafe when it wrapps around a child's neck)? Yes or no? Never take your kite to the beach again.

We could go on and on with polls that are useless and prove nothing. Should eagles be allowed to live in populated areas (since they could drop large limbs while building their nest that would kill someone)? Should kids be allowed to play on skateboards in cul de sacs (since they could damage someones car or cause an accident)? Should kids be allowed to run RC cars in mall parkets lots (since they could hit someone's ankle)? All of these have dependencies before any type of consensus poll will give any good info.

I have given this example before because it is true. I am a member of two separate RC Flying clubs. One has rule after rule and the other only has one rule. To sum it up the one rule is: "Behave yourself and respect others." Guess which club has more drama than Peyton Place? Both clubs have been around for over 30 years.

The club that has no rules and has never had an issue. They discuss anything that might become an issue and everything is out on the table. You simply respect others and if for any reason you do not ALL of the club members share in the responsibility of letting you know. They are an AMA club and do follow AMA rules, but have never had to bother with them at all. It is very nicely handled.

Now the other club...what can be said? Some drama going on most of the time. Almost like teenagers belly aching and complaining, etc. I used to fly with a gentleman there and he finally "dissed" them - one of the nicest and esiest going guys I have known. He drives a greater distant to a club now. I have never seem him out of line once. One day I asked him, why he left? He said, too much drama!

My main point here is that there are good people in both clubs but look at what rules can do if respect is thrown out of the window. If Brandon follows all laws of the land (which we don't know he isn't) and the law of respect to his fellow man, then he is doing right in my book. If not, and his little FPV hits someone and somehow hurts them then he will live with the consequences.

Will it hurt RC? It may, but then should we all live under a basket and never come out in case we stub our toe?



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