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ORIGINAL: do335a
IMO, all you guys who are apologists for ARFs are fooling yourself on their structural integrity. I've seen lots of them and even tried a few. Regardless of claimed completeness or high grade construction or hardware, including that thousand buck+ 1/3 size CAP 232, all were severely lacking. They did not fuilfil the advertised promise.

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So let me ask you a question about an ARF. How many flights does an ARF need to make to question it's structural integrity or before I would need to care about it's structural integrity?

I have an ARF that was under 200 dollars new and is approaching somewhere around 600 flights now, many of those flights have been hard flying. I flew it again yesterday and put it to the wall! We were even joking at the field of how the plane might one day just fall out of the sky and pieces just float down.

Do I care about the structural integrity since it has already proven to have flown more flights that I ever deemed possible? I did not even think the CA hinges would last that long! Does it bother me that if I had of hand built it it may fly a 1000 flights?

In my perception, the structural integrity argument is somewhat weak as many of the ARFs are very strong for the weight range than home built planes could be if built in the same weight ranges.

I fly with guys that have been builing planes for 30+ years. The majority of the time I put my ARFs through much more aggressive flying than the guys that have home built planes.

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ORIGINAL: hairy46

For me the hobby starts with seeing something I like fly into the airport I work at, taking lots of pictures. Then finding a kit that best matches that plane and building it. Then one day getting it in the air. That is my love for the hobby 49% building 51% flying. But that said aI am getting the shop set up and when I do it will be strickly building from plans. That has been my goal from the begining.

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ORIGINAL: Luchnia

Then I suppose it won't do any good to let you know that I watch little to no TV at all, don't play video games, and only spend limited time on the internet (RCU mostly). I will state that I work long work weeks and drive 10 hours a week to and from work, spend time with the family, other business work, study theology, then every possible chance I get is spent flying which is something I truly enjoy.

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You must think that you represent 99.9% of the ARFers then...?
Funny how without fail all I ever hear back from guys like you [whenever this topic comes up] is how they spend / waste so little time elsewhere. All I hear about is how judicious / economical they are with their free time. Never ONCE has anyone come forth and admitted to watching 14 hours worth of TV/video games a week and spending 7 hours a week on the internet. If only 50% of that time was redirected to a 3 foot long x 1 foot wide slab of pine building board a typical 40 sized kit could be built in 1-2 hour sessions in less than a month. The truth is very few "men of today" want to expend the effort to build because it would take precious time away from Coach Potatoland.
Whether this applies to you or not doesn't diminish what I already know about human nature.
Given a choice, man will take the lazy way out.

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ORIGINAL: FLYMAD

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You must think that you represent 99.9% of the ARFers then...?
Funny how without fail all I ever hear back from guys like you [whenever this topic comes up] is how they spend / waste so little time elsewhere. All I hear about is how judicious / economical they are with their free time. Never ONCE has anyone come forth and admitted to watching 14 hours worth of TV/video games a week and spending 7 hours a week on the internet. If only 50% of that time was redirected to a 3 foot long x 1 foot wide slab of pine building board a typical 40 sized kit could be built in 1-2 hour sessions in less than a month. The truth is very few ''men of today'' want to expend the effort to build because it would take precious time away from Coach Potatoland.
Whether this applies to you or not doesn't diminish what I already know about human nature.
Given a choice, man will take the lazy way out.

I like ARFs and I don't watch 14 hours of TV or computer a week. I don't get your argument, Sure I could build a kit but I DON''T WANT TO. that is how simple it is. I will continue using ARFs due to my good experience with them. That doesn't mean to say that I won't build a kit in the future.

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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

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ORIGINAL: FLYMAD

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You must think that you represent 99.9% of the ARFers then...?
Funny how without fail all I ever hear back from guys like you [whenever this topic comes up] is how they spend / waste so little time elsewhere. All I hear about is how judicious / economical they are with their free time. Never ONCE has anyone come forth and admitted to watching 14 hours worth of TV/video games a week and spending 7 hours a week on the internet. If only 50% of that time was redirected to a 3 foot long x 1 foot wide slab of pine building board a typical 40 sized kit could be built in 1-2 hour sessions in less than a month. The truth is very few ''men of today'' want to expend the effort to build because it would take precious time away from Coach Potatoland.
Whether this applies to you or not doesn't diminish what I already know about human nature.
Given a choice, man will take the lazy way out.

I like ARFs and I don't watch 14 hours of TV or computer a week. I don't get your argument, Sure I could build a kit but I DON''T WANT TO. that is how simple it is. I will continue using ARFs due to my good experience with them. That doesn't mean to say that I won't build a kit in the future.

If you are telling me the truth, then you do not fit the stereotype that I have illustrated...do you..?
Are you trying to tell me that the stereotype I have presented here does not exist as the vast majority..?
The group that I am ''homing in'' on was the 1st generation that spent way more time playing indoors than they did out on the streets or the school playgrounds...so there is no reason to suspect that this group will have changed their ways as young adults.
The streets and playgrounds over the past 30 years have been largely without kids playing ball on their own.
They have been vacant.
The only kids I've routinely seen out playing ball during these years are in the ghettos.
Of course there has been some organized soccer [i.e. Mall Rat day care], but that only accounts for a tiny fraction of the free time that this generation has spent. 90% of their time has been spent in front of a cathode ray tube of one kind or another.

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ORIGINAL: 804

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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

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ORIGINAL: FLYMAD

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You must think that you represent 99.9% of the ARFers then...?
Funny how without fail all I ever hear back from guys like you [whenever this topic comes up] is how they spend / waste so little time elsewhere. All I hear about is how judicious / economical they are with their free time. Never ONCE has anyone come forth and admitted to watching 14 hours worth of TV/video games a week and spending 7 hours a week on the internet. If only 50% of that time was redirected to a 3 foot long x 1 foot wide slab of pine building board a typical 40 sized kit could be built in 1-2 hour sessions in less than a month. The truth is very few ''men of today'' want to expend the effort to build because it would take precious time away from Coach Potatoland.
Whether this applies to you or not doesn't diminish what I already know about human nature.
Given a choice, man will take the lazy way out.

I like ARFs and I don't watch 14 hours of TV or computer a week. I don't get your argument, Sure I could build a kit but I DON''T WANT TO. that is how simple it is. I will continue using ARFs due to my good experience with them. That doesn't mean to say that I won't build a kit in the future.

If you are telling me the truth, then you do not fit the stereotype that I have illustrated...do you..?
Are you trying to tell me that the stereotype I have presented here does not exist as the vast majority..?
The group that I am ''homing in'' on was the 1st generation that spent way more time playing indoors than they did out on the streets or the school playgrounds...so there is no reason to suspect that this group will have changed their ways as young adults.
The streets and playgrounds over the past 30 years have been largely without kids playing ball on their own.
They have been vacant.
The only kids I've routinely seen out playing ball during these years are in the ghettos.
Of course there has been some organized soccer [i.e. Mall Rat day care], but that only accounts for a tiny fraction of the free time that this generation has spent. 90% of their time has been spent in front of a cathode ray tube of one kind or another.

I think you are so far out of touch with reality that you actually believe this garbage.
Or else where you live and hang out is the Twilight zone.
All of my work is in suburban (Indianapolis area) neighborhoods full of kids
out playing ball in the decent weather, and the soccer, football, and baseball fields are so
full of kids and parents there is no room to fly toy planesever.
I've been doing this for 27 years now, in the same areas, same schools, same subdivisions,
nothing has changed, except there are more schools, subdivisions and soccer fields full of kids.

Where the _ell do you think the term ''Soccer Mom'' came from?

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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

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ORIGINAL: 804

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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

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ORIGINAL: FLYMAD

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You must think that you represent 99.9% of the ARFers then...?
Funny how without fail all I ever hear back from guys like you [whenever this topic comes up] is how they spend / waste so little time elsewhere. All I hear about is how judicious / economical they are with their free time. Never ONCE has anyone come forth and admitted to watching 14 hours worth of TV/video games a week and spending 7 hours a week on the internet. If only 50% of that time was redirected to a 3 foot long x 1 foot wide slab of pine building board a typical 40 sized kit could be built in 1-2 hour sessions in less than a month. The truth is very few ''men of today'' want to expend the effort to build because it would take precious time away from Coach Potatoland.
Whether this applies to you or not doesn't diminish what I already know about human nature.
Given a choice, man will take the lazy way out.

I like ARFs and I don't watch 14 hours of TV or computer a week. I don't get your argument, Sure I could build a kit but I DON''T WANT TO. that is how simple it is. I will continue using ARFs due to my good experience with them. That doesn't mean to say that I won't build a kit in the future.

If you are telling me the truth, then you do not fit the stereotype that I have illustrated...do you..?
Are you trying to tell me that the stereotype I have presented here does not exist as the vast majority..?
The group that I am ''homing in'' on was the 1st generation that spent way more time playing indoors than they did out on the streets or the school playgrounds...so there is no reason to suspect that this group will have changed their ways as young adults.
The streets and playgrounds over the past 30 years have been largely without kids playing ball on their own.
They have been vacant.
The only kids I've routinely seen out playing ball during these years are in the ghettos.
Of course there has been some organized soccer [i.e. Mall Rat day care], but that only accounts for a tiny fraction of the free time that this generation has spent. 90% of their time has been spent in front of a cathode ray tube of one kind or another.

I think you are so far out of touch with reality that you actually believe this garbage.
Or else where you live and hang out is the Twilight zone.
All of my work is in suburban (Indianapolis area) neighborhoods full of kids
out playing ball in the decent weather, and the soccer, football, and baseball fields are so
full of kids and parents there is no room to fly toy planesever.
I've been doing this for 27 years now, in the same areas, same schools, same subdivisions,
nothing has changed, except there are more schools, subdivisions and soccer fields full of kids.

Where the _ell do you think the term ''Soccer Mom'' came from?

Childhood obesity is at an all time high.
They have to run public service advertisements on radio and TV pleading with children and their parents to get at least 20 minutes worth of exercise every day.
Kids are dropping dead from cardiovascular disease now...in past generations it was basically unheard of.
Diabetes..ditto..unprescedented all time highs...epidemic proportions.
Kids [all of a sudden] with ''gluten intolerance''..? Take a good look at their blimped out parents to see if you can find a connection. This is a ''disease'' of toxic overload. Too many boxes of Lucky Charms, too many packages of Wonderbread, Little Debbies, Oreos, Frito-Lays, Duncan Hines, Little Ceasars, Happy Meals, etc. and not enough food that comes directly from the ground and prepared to eat when fresh.
ADD, ADHD, and all other BS maladies of the 2000's are a result of obese parents unable to deal with the physical energy required to keep up with the natural energy of their offspring, so they keep them locked indoors. The poor kids end up diagnosed ''hyperactive'' due to having no way to burn off this natural energy so the obese parents demand the medical establishment to label these kids with some sort of a ''disorder'' [AKA ADD, DHD, and all the other BS acronyms]
The kids are then put on sedatives so that the obese parents can cope.
So 804, welcome to the reality of today. I know it's ugly and I also know you want to pretend that it doesn't exist..but that is your problem, not mine.

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ORIGINAL: blhollo2

^ that's not even worth posting