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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/6/2013 11:11 AM   
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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/6/2013 2:23 PM   
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roknHS Have you an all up weight ?



Thanks for reminding me Biker,

This will be a guestimate of AUW as the plane is not finished.........the interior is not in, no Rx yet, no fuel tank, no windows, top hatch is out..........it is sitting on 1/3 scale cub wheels that are heavier than stock. I'll add a few servo extensions and the switches as I finish up the electrical.
Now it is right at 16 lbs..........Digital fish scale..........when it is done and ready to fly, probably 17 lbs...........maybe a couple ounces less. I don't think it will break 17. I can visualize the remaining items on a postal scale and maybe see 16 oz. This one has the interior and lights plus the bigger main wheels and a bigger tail wheel. I think at 17 lbs. it will still be a floater and should fly great.

I think it would be hard to get this cub to fly crappy........maybe if you got up over 18, close to 19 lbs. you would start to see the flight characteristics change some. There is so much wing and tail surface to keep it flying and in control. But then again, that's why these full scale cubs are so popular for hauling stuff in to places few other planes could attempt. The design allows them to be heavy and still fly great.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/6/2013 5:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow a broken hub....It must have had a flaw in it because I have abused that same hub and never had them fail...I have turned the tire off the rim but the hub itself has held up great....I think its the same hub with the hub cap painted white...I have been using that wheel on my 1/4 Scale Sig Cub for a few yrs.. There is a bigger one for use on the 1/3 cub I have been thinking about getting for my PA 18 ... I think its about 5 1/2" so it would look a bit more tundraish... Thanks for the information on your weight roknHS , I am going to be assembeling mine in the next day or two and I will weigh it then...I think I am going to be a bit heavier because I am using the G26....

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/6/2013 10:03 PM   
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...but getting the battery tray in place w/ all the wires coming off the batts and thru the firewall can, as the Brits say, get a bit fiddly.
I ordered two of these trays since they look like they will be much easier to get into place with the tapered tabs. The stock one could probably be modified, but I wanted extra trays to keep my batts strapped too anyways. They are also going to make a mount for the 160. http://morganmill.com/RC/Hanger_9_Cub_Parts.html

Also, one of the H9 reps mentioned that the rubberbands need to be wrapped around to hold themselves in place. It's hard to see in the manual, but I just played with them unti I found a way that will hopefully work.




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Thanks for the info. I just ordered two of the battery trays and Gary said to say hello!
The first time I looked at the pic I asked myself why H9 didn't do this to start.
Got my fingers crossed on the rubber bands, I think they'll work....
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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/7/2013 2:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I opened up the cockpit kit bag while I was waiting for some epoxy to set up........Holy Crap, no directions, pieces I have no idea where they could go...........man, Hangar 9 really dropped the ball here. I've seen some posts on this but, I had no idea what a cluster mess this was gonna be. The manual says just follow the laser scribed lines on the inside of the cockpit..........I'm bettin Nitro Planes could have done better on this one. This has to be the biggest brain fart Hangar 9 has ever put in a bag.................

Come on Mr. Brundle, you guys need to get out your camera and paper and pen...........give us something to go on..........if you're not embarrased, you ought to be.

Until Hangar 9 fixes this, I would advise all who have bought this cub or may consider buying it..........PASS ON THE COCKPIT KIT.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/7/2013 9:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will second that roknHS I bought the cockpit kit too....Mine is missing pieces as well as like you say no directions at all..Many many pieces ,some are quite tiny ..I have no idea where they go...I am not even going to try and install it....Some pieces its obvious where they go .Somewhere I read that you need to check the fit of the pieces and trim to fit but they are made out of this fragile plastic that will crack like an egg shell..The kit is expensive and I am sorry I bought it . My advice would be if you haven't bought it don't...If you live close to me you can come get mine for free , its in the garbage can...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/7/2013 9:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recieved a new cockpit cit in the mail today...I had just expected them to replace the pieces that were missing but they gave me a complete new kit...Horizion customer service certainly does all they can to help us...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/8/2013 12:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been playing around with my cockpit kit and it is really not all that bad..It is very obvious where most of the pieces go and the fit is reasonable...If you aren't happy with the plastic you can at least use the piece for a pattern....I am going to use part of the kit at least...Would I buy it again??? I probably would....I like how it closes in the back and the sides....As far as the floor goes I am not going to bother with that...The inside of the plane is painted grey and matches the cockpit colour so its not going to make a big differance if you don't cover it all... I guess instructions would be nice but if you poke away at it you can figure it out....It is fairly obvious by the shape where it has to go ..I retract all the nasty things I said in my previous post , I guess I should have tried before I decided I couldn't do it...I apoligize for giving bad advice...If you want to buy the cockpit kit my advice would now be ,Go ahead and buy it but be aware this is not going to fall into place on its own and you are going to need to figure it out on your own but it is not all that hard and can be done if you take your time...I was missing pieces ( the curved pieces that glue on the sides of the cockpit) and Horizion sent me a complete new cockpit kit instead of just the missing pieces .. You can't do better than that...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 2:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally got the wires sorted, bundled and tied back.........the 9 channel Rx is full. It all seems to work so I must have labeled all the wires correctly. Now to that interior.......I stand by my comments on the lack of instructions..........very uncharacteristic of Hangar 9 to have an option with little to none instructions. Yeah, I'll get it figured out but, I'll spend a bunch of extra time that isn't necessary. In any business, it's the details that matter. Like the little plastic pieces with the wood laminated to the edge..........is that the bottom or the top? When it's all said and done, figuring that out is a bunch of extra hassle that shouldn't happen.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 5:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do agree with you roknHS I made a silly mistake that some instructions would have prevented...I glued one set of the little attachment blocks on upside down...Not a biggy..I just had to drill extra holes in the covers...Still.....Anyway when you are trimming the pieces use a sharp blade ,have solid backing and be very carefull..That stuff cracks VERY easily..Like an egg shell almost....When I was putting the big curved piece in the back I broke a chunk out of it and I was being careful...Maybe take some tape and run it along the edge just for a wee bit more support..It might help...I totaly agree with you about the instructions ..I just felt a little bad about slamming the kit after realizing it wasn't going to be that hard to figure out where the pieces went ...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 6:04 PM   
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I do agree with you roknHS I made a silly mistake that some instructions would have prevented...I glued one set of the little attachment blocks on upside down...Not a biggy..I just had to drill extra holes in the covers...Still.....Anyway when you are trimming the pieces use a sharp blade ,have solid backing and be very carefull..That stuff cracks VERY easily..Like an egg shell almost....When I was putting the big curved piece in the back I broke a chunk out of it and I was being careful...Maybe take some tape and run it along the edge just for a wee bit more support..It might help...I totaly agree with you about the instructions ..I just felt a little bad about slamming the kit after realizing it wasn't going to be that hard to figure out where the pieces went ...


bb can you tell me where the long piece go on the left side , is it a arm rest on does it go on the floor thank frank

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 8:49 PM   
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It goes on top, just under the windows. I guess you could call it an arm rest...........hadn't thought about the intended purpose. If you put it at the lower edge of the windows, you better have the windows in first. By leaving it down a little you can put the windows in later. That would leave them open for better access while you're installing the stuff on the other side. I don't know if it's spose to go on before or after the windows...........that's where some directions would have helped.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 10:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also do not glue that arm rest piece in solid at the back because if you do and you need to remove those covers to gain access to your servos you wont be able to remove the covers I think that long square arm rest is ment to stay down from the windows about 1/8" Thats where I put mine but Mine is friction fit ..I haven't glued it at this point .. Be carefull with the screws in the top curved roof...when I put one of mine in the whole end broke off ...This cockpit kit sure isn't up to the same standards of the rest of the PA 18 Cub...To be brutally honest , besides the lack of instructions I think the kit is close to being junk...I don't think it will stand up to be being taken in and out to service the servos behind it...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 11:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to get this ARF, mind you I usually build my airplanes, but this looks like a great plane to have. I am looking at the engines for this and really not sure were to go. Some of the engines might require adding nose weight others may require cutting more from the cowling. I will also be using this on floats from time to time.

1-Zenoah 20ccEI - $339.99 - 1.20 cu-in - 41.6 oz
2-Zenoah 26cc - $324.99 - 1.55 cu-in - 59.6 oz
3-OS GT-22 - $409.99 - 1.35 cu-in - 26.8 oz
4-DLE20 - $249.00 - 1.22 cu-in - 29.2 oz
5-DLE30 - $279.95 - 1.86 cu-in - 32.0 oz
6-Saito FG-21 - $504.99 - 1.26 cu-in - 31.2 oz
7-Saito FG-30 - $639.99 - 1.80 cu-in - 37 oz
8-CRRC26 - $209.00 - 1.55 cu-in - 41 oz
9-Mintor33 - $325.00 - 2.0 cu-in - 33.6 oz

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/9/2013 11:57 PM   
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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/10/2013 12:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I chose the G26 ..This is the Zenoah magneto aircraft version..It appears to balance almost bang on... The other motor I would like to try is the OS Gemini 160 twin or its Clone the ASP 160 .. The cowl had to be opened up a bit on the bottom for the cylinder but I don't think it looks too bad..You can pretty much follow the pattern they show you and that makes it pretty easy to do with out making a mess of your cowl...I did mine with the muffler off to start then added the muffler...a little bit at a time...I usually build my planes too plus I have a 1/4 scale sig Cub I am flying and a BUSA 1/4 Cub I am about half way through building but this one caught my eye and for an ARF it is a very nice plane...Time will tell as to how well it stands up and how well it flys...It looks like it flys great...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/10/2013 1:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		 You would want a nice scale sound for this plane.  I am putting in a Saito FG in mine.  I wonder if the fg-21 will be enough.  You would definitely have to add a bit of weight to get it to balance.  It may end up under powered after all the weight.  The new fg-30b might be a better way to go.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/10/2013 5:33 AM   
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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 2:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished balancing mine...I have the G26 in it and I have my receiver under the back seat .. Everything is pretty much as the manual suggests...My plane balances just a tiny bit nose heavy with the battery on the back seat....Oh what a feeling..I want to fly this beautiful plane...how am I going to wait till spring ??? ..My buddy is trying to talk me into a Plug and Play Tailorcraft next ... Oh so many planes and so little time and money ...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 3:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, I'm with you on the time, money and airplanes. I have three awaiting maidens and this one under construction. Or assembly, so as not to rile up the purists.
I do have one nit to pick, though. Can we identify the designer of the clusterf**k of a tailwheel steering mechanism on this bird with its combination of springs, cables and crimps, particularly with the tailwheel alignment and adjustment done by trying to get the cables tightened through the tillers, steering arms and crimps and have Horizon assign that individual to other duties? Jeez. People have been designing and selling scale-looking and operating tail wheel assemblies for Cubs for years w/o all that aggrevation.
There. I feel better now.
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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 11:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		My biggest problem was that I was unable to get my cable thru the crimps for its second pass so I had to settle for one pass and a good crimp...Either my cable was too big or my crimps too small...I am sure it will hold...

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 1:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you took a small drill bit and worked the inside of the crimp tube a few millimeters larger the task became much easier..................some felt if they carefully squeezed the crimp tube into an oval or egg shape, the third pass of the cable was much easier.
But, you are right about the pull-pull set up for the tail wheel steering............it wasn't the easiest thing to accomplish. It is a nice tail wheel set-up once you get the cable lengths correct.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 1:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I finally got around to weighing mine..I am sitting at 16.5 lbs. ready to fly with the tank empty...I am happy with that....That is with the balance 4 3/8 " back from the leading edge and my battery on the back seat ...I am ever so slightly nose heavy so I have room to put in a bigger battery if I want but I think I will see how it flys and what kind of power the lites use up etc.etc....But 16.5 lbs is a happy figure to me..

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 1:50 PM   
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I've got an extra pig tail on my light controller............and I've got some extra LED's...........

What do you suppose a red light in the overhead behind the pilot would look like? Night time cockpits are generally illuminated in red light..........no, I don't suppose this would be visible except for display or evening, just after sundown low passes over the runway.
As I'm contemplating putting the headliner in, I got to looking at that spare tail on the light controller................what else could I use that for? I've got the LED for the kill swithch on the right side of the intrument panel......that looks good lit up.
Any ideas??

Oh, might not hurt to put a drop of CA on each cable crimp if you never got that 3rd pass..........probably will hold without it but, its easy insurance.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1/4 Scale P 18 Super Cub - 2/11/2013 3:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great Idea with the CA on the crimps . I think I am going to do that...I have the extra pig tail too but haven't come up with a use for it.You could even Y harness off it and add two lights if you wanted..Now that you have mentioned it I will put some thought into it....I am thinking about getting another lighting controler and pluging it into a y harness with my flaps so that my landing lights only come on when my flaps are deployed...I found out that this works because thats how I had them all hooked up to begin with and I had to move my controler over to a different channel...I didn't want my nav lights going on and off with the flaps...But I do like the idea of the landing lights going on and off with the flaps...

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