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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . no disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

I like the question you pose at the end of your message: ''BTW do you really think having them made in the states would be cheaper''.

It got me thinking. Hobby-Lobby is much improving the design of the Senior Telemaster, and will be manufacturing the kits in the US. The price went up a bit (but the design has improved also, making it faster to build, and disassemble to move around. The price, not cheap, but I think it will sell.

There is a company making kits in Canada. And let's not forget all the kit-cutters that custom make kits for us based on designer blueprints. So I think it can be done. The question comes down to profits (my guess). They make them abroad because they are cheaper and the profits are bigger. Period. (No need to tell me about the loss of jobs and the need to retain jobs here and support companies like the Canadian, like Balsa USA, etc. That is entirely another issue)

Gerry

hey jerry, i was referring to having arf's manufactured here bud :-) BTW i fly alot of big stuff ,but i still own a t-master which i have scratch built a lot of them off their plans . maybe 4

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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . not disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

Would you please show me where I said you can build a Ziroli spit for 6-7 hundred bucks.. Would you also show me where the TF corsair is glassed and painted, it's monokote.. Get back to me on that one...

As far as you comment about ''You build real planes'' the don't bother me with the home depot projects.. I won't stoop to your levle with the name calling, but aren't model airplanes ''Toys''?? I mean you come out with ''I build real airplanes'', they are just ''Toys''

You still haven't got back on the subject of TF arf's being over priced, your still stuck on Ziroli builds you have done.. To even compare a Tf to a ziroli is just plain stupid.. Oh and by the way, please don't post any pics of your toy airplanes in this thread, it's about TF...

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So are you so called scratch builders saying EVERY TIME you build a plane you have to buy, WOOD, GLUE, GLASS CLOTH, PAINT ????? What the ######What do U all do buy these things by the inch or gram ? I thought scratch builders buy bulk stock that will do at least 3 to 4 1/5 scale planes. WOW.
Oh well each his own.

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(No need to tell me about the loss of jobs and the need to retain jobs here and support companies like the Canadian, like Balsa USA, etc. That is entirely another issue)
Gerry

Even though it's another issue, What does it say on the cover of every Top Flite ''Kit'' instruction manual? Let me think.....Oh Yeah, MADE IN THE USA! Seems to me if you want to support the American worker, you should build the kits and forget the ARF's Just sayin...

http://manuals.hobbico.com/top/topa0410-manual.pdf
http://manuals.hobbico.com/top/topa0415-manual-v1_1.pdf
http://manuals.hobbico.com/top/topa0400-manual.pdf
http://manuals.hobbico.com/top/topa0310-manual.pdf

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Just wondering If I am the only one who thinks they have gotten goofy with the price.....

I know, supply and demand. heard it 1000's times. But i remember what they used to charge for the 1/5 scale arf's and it's a fare cry from what they charge now...


I would love to know the numbers, are folks buying as many as they used to? I know I'm not, not at those prices.. Are they selling half as many planes at twice the price, or would they be better off with better prices and sell more planes.. Just wondering what others thought....

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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . not disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

Would you please show me where I said you can build a Ziroli spit for 6-7 hundred bucks.. Would you also show me where the TF corsair is glassed and painted, it's monokote.. Get back to me on that one...

As far as you comment about ''You build real planes'' the don't bother me with the home depot projects.. I won't stoop to your levle with the name calling, but aren't model airplanes ''Toys''?? I mean you come out with ''I build real airplanes'', they are just ''Toys''

You still haven't got back on the subject of TF arf's being over priced, your still stuck on Ziroli builds you have done.. To even compare a Tf to a ziroli is just plain stupid.. Oh and by the way, please don't post any pics of your toy airplanes in this thread, it's about TF...

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i'm not going to beat this to death because you are unhappy with the fact that you want a TF corsair and probably can't buy one right now. the fact of the matter is you feel you can build one for less than the cost of a TF corsair. so i say ,why are you complaining here ? i didn't call anyone names and i'm willing to apologize if i did offend anyone. the point is you will never agree with anyone 's opinion other that your own because your upset. no matter how you cut it, giant scale does come with a cost, a cost i can't afford sometimes either . i fly with in my budget . And i really hope that you do get a TF corsair. they are awesome planes and do fly good . everone should own a corsair at least once. WB_1 Oh.. i will remove my pics if you want. it is your thread.

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Just wondering If I am the only one who thinks they have gotten goofy with the price.....

I know, supply and demand. heard it 1000's times. But i remember what they used to charge for the 1/5 scale arf's and it's a fare cry from what they charge now...


I would love to know the numbers, are folks buying as many as they used to? I know I'm not, not at those prices.. Are they selling half as many planes at twice the price, or would they be better off with better prices and sell more planes.. Just wondering what others thought....

Our currency has been devalued. Get your head out of your A hole.

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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . not disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

Would you please show me where I said you can build a Ziroli spit for 6-7 hundred bucks.. Would you also show me where the TF corsair is glassed and painted, it's monokote.. Get back to me on that one...

As far as you comment about ''You build real planes'' the don't bother me with the home depot projects.. I won't stoop to your levle with the name calling, but aren't model airplanes ''Toys''?? I mean you come out with ''I build real airplanes'', they are just ''Toys''

You still haven't got back on the subject of TF arf's being over priced, your still stuck on Ziroli builds you have done.. To even compare a Tf to a ziroli is just plain stupid.. Oh and by the way, please don't post any pics of your toy airplanes in this thread, it's about TF...

Thanks for understanding toy plane builder.............www.rcuniverse.com='''' src='''' />

i'm not going to beat this to death because you are unhappy with the fact that you want a TF corsair and probably can't buy one right now. the fact of the matter is you feel you can build one for less than the cost of a TF corsair. so i say ,why are you complaining here ? i didn't call anyone names and i'm willing to apologize if i did offend anyone. the point is you will never agree with anyone 's opinion other that your own because your upset. no matter how you cut it, giant scale does come with a cost, a cost i can't afford sometimes either . i fly with in my budget . And i really hope that you do get a TF corsair. they are awesome planes and do fly good . everone should own a corsair at least once. WB_1 Oh.. i will remove my pics if you want. it is your thread.

Listen, I could copy and paste this and give it right back to you as a reply, it fits both of us pretty good.. And yes you did call me names ''Tight wad'' was one and  telling me I am cheap and now telling me what I can afford to buy or can't afford to buy.. All I am saying in this thread is i think Tf has gone crazy with the price of their arfs and i still feel that way.. If you feel they are not, that's fine with me, We all have opinions...

I'm sorry I called your planes ''Toys''  They look pretty dang nice and I would be proud of them as well.. feel free to post more pics of them.. Just for the record, I am a builder.. I was looking at the TF corsair for my son, he really likes it and isn't the best pilot yet so to say.. Thought it might be a good plane to let him abuse and not have me crying picking up the parts on the runway.... So yes, I was shocked to see it is a $750.00 arf, close to 3k ready to go....... 

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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . not disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

Would you please show me where I said you can build a Ziroli spit for 6-7 hundred bucks.. Would you also show me where the TF corsair is glassed and painted, it's monokote.. Get back to me on that one...

As far as you comment about ''You build real planes'' the don't bother me with the home depot projects.. I won't stoop to your levle with the name calling, but aren't model airplanes ''Toys''?? I mean you come out with ''I build real airplanes'', they are just ''Toys''

You still haven't got back on the subject of TF arf's being over priced, your still stuck on Ziroli builds you have done.. To even compare a Tf to a ziroli is just plain stupid.. Oh and by the way, please don't post any pics of your toy airplanes in this thread, it's about TF...

Thanks for understanding toy plane builder.............www.rcuniverse.com="" src="" />

i'm not going to beat this to death because you are unhappy with the fact that you want a TF corsair and probably can't buy one right now. the fact of the matter is you feel you can build one for less than the cost of a TF corsair. so i say ,why are you complaining here ? i didn't call anyone names and i'm willing to apologize if i did offend anyone. the point is you will never agree with anyone 's opinion other that your own because your upset. no matter how you cut it, giant scale does come with a cost, a cost i can't afford sometimes either . i fly with in my budget . And i really hope that you do get a TF corsair. they are awesome planes and do fly good . everone should own a corsair at least once. WB_1 Oh.. i will remove my pics if you want. it is your thread.

Listen, I could copy and paste this and give it right back to you as a reply, it fits both of us pretty good.. And yes you did call me names ''Tight wad'' was one and  telling me I am cheap and now telling me what I can afford to buy or can't afford to buy.. All I am saying in this thread is i think Tf has gone crazy with the price of their arfs and i still feel that way.. If you feel they are not, that's fine with me, We all have opinions...

I'm sorry I called your planes ''Toys''  They look pretty dang nice and I would be proud of them as well.. feel free to post more pics of them..www.rcuniverse.com="" src="" /> Just for the record, I am a builder.. I was looking at the TF corsair for my son, he really likes it and isn't the best pilot yet so to say.. Thought it might be a good plane to let him abuse and not have me crying picking up the parts on the runway.... So yes, I was shocked to see it is a $750.00 arf, close to 3k ready to go.......www.rcuniverse.com="" src="" /> 

i don't know what you son's flying abilities are but if he's fairly new the gold edition .60 is a wonderful flying plane . i had one many years ago and flew it to death . that was one of my higher performance airplanes compared to what i was flying. i was an honest plane with no bad habits and didn't require a lot of skill to master. the pic shows me and the corsair just before i did like my 3rd flight.

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That is something I have never done, a giant scale on a buddy box.. Any one see a problem with doing that, it will be on Futaba 2.4.. Just wondering if the ignition could have an effect on it???

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i guess i'm doing something wrong or you cut corners. price out a ziroli spitfire with all the plastic and glass parts and gear. that alone is over a grand . that's not counting wood, glue, paint ,hardware,wheels,markings .. should i keep going? there's a difference between buying someone used stuff and building your own. i have build a lot of stuff. 2 ziroli p-40's and p-38 and a bunch of other stuff. you?

I thought you said you SCRATCH BUILD. As for me Ziroli Stuka, Meister ME 109 and others over the years in including Pica Spitfire the small and the 88''. Well I guess if all the material you use comes from the hobby stores then I guess it will cost you more.
I don`t cut corners, contrary to what you and others may think, there are a few other materials that can be use for building that give the same good strong results as balsa and ply from the hobby shop. Today there is a lot of proof that foam works very well. As I stated above a few pics back foam board can be used to build most of the framing of a plane. At $1 for a 36x36 sheet compare to a sheet of 1/8 ply and 1/8 balsa sheets for framing, one can cut a lot of the framing cost. You could also pick up 3/4 ply pieces from Home Depot for cents in the scrap bin to do fire walls in stead of going to the hobby shop for 1/2 ply. That`s how I do it. You have to think outside the HOBBY SHOP BOX and it can be done.

lol don't bother me with your home depot build projects please . i build real planes out of real materials

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your rude tone isn't worth a reply but i'm willing to grant you at least one response . in case you didn't read the whole post, the conversion included comparisons . you brought it up yourself :

But with the price we are paying for an arf now, I see no reason we can't bring the manufacturing back to the USA.. Think about it and i think you will agree... Most of use to say, '' I can't build the plane for that''...
Well I know I could and if anyone is thinking they couldn't, they haven't built many planes..

it's apparent that you either a tight wade lol or you eyes are bigger than you wallet . you started this thread complaining about the price of the plane you apparently are interested in buying. because i didn't Aline myself with your position i'm wrong , i'm the bad guy . well you couldn't have ever scratch built anything or you wouldn't be disagreeing with me.
i would throw down this challenge. you say you can build ..say a ziroli spitfire for 6 - 7 hundred bucks. i'm not going to do the leg work for you. go on his site, look up basic parts for the air frame only . that includes parts,glue wood,finishing stuff like expoy , primmer,paint,fiberglass cloth ect. then get back to me. oh.. BTW do you really thing having them made here in the states would be cheaper? your just not being realistic . not disrespect intended . one last thing.. in your profile you call yourself an expert that likes warbirds. can you tell me how many planes you build from plans? big ones that is 1/5-1/4 scale

Would you please show me where I said you can build a Ziroli spit for 6-7 hundred bucks.. Would you also show me where the TF corsair is glassed and painted, it's monokote.. Get back to me on that one...

As far as you comment about ''You build real planes'' the don't bother me with the home depot projects.. I won't stoop to your levle with the name calling, but aren't model airplanes ''Toys''?? I mean you come out with ''I build real airplanes'', they are just ''Toys''

You still haven't got back on the subject of TF arf's being over priced, your still stuck on Ziroli builds you have done.. To even compare a Tf to a ziroli is just plain stupid.. Oh and by the way, please don't post any pics of your toy airplanes in this thread, it's about TF...

Thanks for understanding toy plane builder.............www.rcuniverse.com='''' src='''' />

i'm not going to beat this to death because you are unhappy with the fact that you want a TF corsair and probably can't buy one right now. the fact of the matter is you feel you can build one for less than the cost of a TF corsair. so i say ,why are you complaining here ? i didn't call anyone names and i'm willing to apologize if i did offend anyone. the point is you will never agree with anyone 's opinion other that your own because your upset. no matter how you cut it, giant scale does come with a cost, a cost i can't afford sometimes either . i fly with in my budget . And i really hope that you do get a TF corsair. they are awesome planes and do fly good . everone should own a corsair at least once. WB_1 Oh.. i will remove my pics if you want. it is your thread.

Listen, I could copy and paste this and give it right back to you as a reply, it fits both of us pretty good.. And yes you did call me names ''Tight wad'' was one and  telling me I am cheap and now telling me what I can afford to buy or can't afford to buy.. All I am saying in this thread is i think Tf has gone crazy with the price of their arfs and i still feel that way.. If you feel they are not, that's fine with me, We all have opinions...

I'm sorry I called your planes ''Toys''  They look pretty dang nice and I would be proud of them as well.. feel free to post more pics of them..www.rcuniverse.com='''' src='''' /> Just for the record, I am a builder.. I was looking at the TF corsair for my son, he really likes it and isn't the best pilot yet so to say.. Thought it might be a good plane to let him abuse and not have me crying picking up the parts on the runway.... So yes, I was shocked to see it is a $750.00 arf, close to 3k ready to go.......www.rcuniverse.com='''' src='''' /> 

i don't know what you son's flying abilities are but if he's fairly new the gold edition .60 is a wonderful flying plane . i had one many years ago and flew it to death . that was one of my higher performance airplanes compared to what i was flying. i was an honest plane with no bad habits and didn't require a lot of skill to master. the pic shows me and the corsair just before i did like my 3rd flight.

I had one of those as well, but mine was way over powered 120 hehehe.. It was fun to fly but not for him, he would love it for all of the two minutes it would take him to put it in...lol  The truth is, he really isn't ready for a corsair of any type, well a foamie would be fine.. But he loves the corsair and i am trying to keep him interested in the hobby.. I think i will just build one and put him on it with a cord, much safer that way...

That is something I have never done, a giant scale on a buddy box.. Any one see a problem with doing that, it will be on Futaba 2.4.. Just wondering if the ignition could have an effect on it???

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Just wondering If I am the only one who thinks they have gotten goofy with the price.....

I know, supply and demand. heard it 1000's times. But i remember what they used to charge for the 1/5 scale arf's and it's a fare cry from what they charge now...

I would love to know the numbers, are folks buying as many as they used to? I know I'm not, not at those prices.. Are they selling half as many planes at twice the price, or would they be better off with better prices and sell more planes.. Just wondering what others thought....

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That is what has happened to our hobby. Nobody builds anymore, wants the easy way into the hobby and buys ARF'S. For guys like you , will learn like me to appreciate buying and paying A little more for A kit, and get more satisfaction when it is done and flying. The same goes for buying kits on this site. Sometimes they seem high price, but when you can't get them anymore your glad you bought it. Jmpups

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I was looking at the TF corsair for my son, he really likes it and isn't the best pilot yet so to say.. Thought it might be a good plane to let him abuse and not have me crying picking up the parts on the runway.... So yes, I was shocked to see it is a $750.00 arf, close to 3k ready to go.......