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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 2:05 AM   
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My take on the issue is just against the background of arguing with electric people who keep spreading this myth that nitro is difficult(and my comments are more aimed at anybody browsing who might be on the fence and maybe not be as experienced as some of the people here with a lot of tuning experience and can manage to live with a pullstart.. Just pointing out that, for Joe Schmoe Hobbyist, a pullstart is not a good idea..)


Well based off what you just said you cant live with a pullstart cause you dont have the tuning experiance. I know Im not the only here who has said this but with a proper tune any motor will start up with ease. Also your the only one arguing here about BL guys dissin on Nitro. Your Joe Schmoe is not going to run the spin start, there going to run the roto start and YES thats a horrible idea because of the torque it has and IDK how many guys have had OWB issues with the roto. Also a P/S is cheaper to replace than a OWB.


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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Logical error/false conclusion: there is no causal relation between my tuning experience and my patience with pullstarts. Pullstarts just suck, no matter your experience level. But, some guys might be able to live with them, and they'll tend to have more experience.. I've been at it long enough to know what I'm doing. I'm currently running eight engines in six 8th scale RC's. And I do know from experience that pullstarts are a PIA. And since when did Rotostarts become these crazy torque monsters "breaking" OWB's? Are people running them with lipos or something? Whatever the case, unfortunately I guess the Losi Spinstart shaft isn't long enough for a Savage.. Or is it? 454's, Spinstart units, OWB's etc ar all cheap on ebay.. The Losi 454 and Dynamite Big Red .28 come with combo Spin/pull backplates.. And the Mach .15 backplates for Piccos are/were also cheap.. Again, as you wish.. But using pullstarts on big blocks is living in the RC dark ages afaic..

(was going to say................ )

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 9:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMO pullstarts are the easiest and hassle free way to start nitro engines,

I have had very little issues with starting engines from pullstart,

Rotostarts and spin starts have been a pain in the ass, with carrying extra batteries plus the starter and wand,
Even with 2 fresh battery packs I've run them flat way before I want to call it a day,

if the engine flames out or runs out of fuel with a pullstart it's easier to go to the truck with a fuel bottle and glow start,

With a spin/rotostart it's just extra to carry and to prepare batteries before running my truck,





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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 11:44 AM   
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But hey, if you don't want it I'll be glad to give it a loving new home...


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IMO pullstarts are the easiest and hassle free way to start nitro engines,

I have had very little issues with starting engines from pullstart,

Rotostarts and spin starts have been a pain in the ass, with carrying extra batteries plus the starter and wand,
Even with 2 fresh battery packs I've run them flat way before I want to call it a day,

if the engine flames out or runs out of fuel with a pullstart it's easier to go to the truck with a fuel bottle and glow start,

With a spin/rotostart it's just extra to carry and to prepare batteries before running my truck,





I'm in your boat. If an engine doesn't have a pull start an engine doesn't have a home in any of my cars....and on that same token if an airplane engine won't start easily by hand-flipping the prop it ain't got no business on my planes.


I've never once had any of the issues with my pull starts that people constantly whine and carry on about. Never once. I've never gotten blisters because I'm not dumb enough to keep ripping on an engine that clearly won't start, I find out what's wrong and fix it before pulling on it further. I've never had one break because I don't keep trying to rip over a flooded engine nor do I pull the cord too far. I've never toasted a OWB either, I've had one OWB go out since I got into glow power in 2003. Replacing it took 30 bucks and about ten minutes, didn't even have to remove the engine.


I don't get it. People whine about these things like they're the antichrist incarnate, but I've never once seen the need to complicate starting even further.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 1:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pull starts work but chase alot of noobs from Nitro. I think your all saying the same things here, if you have trouble starting with a pull start, you would have had troubles starting in any fashon. It is all about experiance and preference and ease of use. I think a noob would have an easier time with a starting device that is as simple as pushing a button. Not always the case though.

I would only use a pull start as a back-up because it is a primative device in my opinion. Do you pull start your car, or your riding lawn mower? Nope. We have electric devices, hell most people wont even drive a screw in by hand, they use an electric device.

I guess if you prefere to stay on the primative side of the hobby, a pull start works just fine.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 3:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree roto starts can be a pit of a pain in the butt to carry everything around with you... But has anyone went to their local hardware store? I found a nice little pouch that clips onto my belt and has just enough room for the roto start, glow plug ignitor and a spare battery if needed.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 3:28 PM   
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I would only use a pull start as a back-up because it is a primative device in my opinion. Do you pull start your car, or your riding lawn mower? Nope. We have electric devices, hell most people wont even drive a screw in by hand, they use an electric device.




I would not object to having a manual starting backup on both. Hell my lawnmower is conked right now because the starter's broken, if it had a pull start I could give no damns and cut my lawn anyway.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 4:24 PM   
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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/27/2012 4:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haha....You know what? I just remembered something. I do have a manual start backup on my truck. It's a manual transmission vehicle, I can just push start the old pig if the starter doesn't want to work for some reason. That counts as a manual starting method. Haha.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 1:01 AM   
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I agree roto starts can be a pit of a pain in the butt to carry everything around with you... But has anyone went to their local hardware store? I found a nice little pouch that clips onto my belt and has just enough room for the roto start, glow plug ignitor and a spare battery if needed.


So, in other words, you wear a fanny pack?

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 1:15 AM   
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TtownToolman said it best, it does chase newbies off and we are saying the same thing here.

On this subject, I only know two things:

1. Now that I have a roto-start, I still prefer a pull-start. Just my preference.
2. I've "broken" three pull-starts. Once I broke the string pulling (on the second pull), and the other two times I was careless taking it off the back plate (well once I took it off fine then later dropped it). Ugh! I put all thee back together, but know this: unless you have loads of time on your hands or are extremely lucky, your day is shot it you break your pull-start. I'll never even attempt to put one back together again. Wow.



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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 2:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pullstarts are not difficult to put back together,

I've bought pullstarts on eBay recently that only needed rewound and then made a tidy profit on each of them,


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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 2:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ha ha.. Way back when I had bought a new LRP Spec 3, and only wanted to see if a certain backplate fit on it. So I took off the pullstart, and boing!!!.. it unwound all over the place. It was completely impossible, at least within the bounds of my patience, to get it back together.. Never ran a pullstart on that engine in all its ten gallons or whatever..

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 2:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		5 mins rewinds a pullstart,

I even rewound them on my baja 5t

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 2:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe it. What are you, some kind of Rubix Cube genius?..

Seriously, I think I could solve a Rubix Cube faster than I could rewind a pullstart and get it back on the engine.. And with far less stress..

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 4:07 PM   
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Don't have the patience for it,

There are some good tutorials on the Internet on how to rewind pullstarts,

It's really not difficult if done correctly,

It was impossible for me at the start but that's because I was tackling it all wrong,

I was trying to put tension on the spring before installing it in the pullstart housing,

Now I just wind the spring into the cord wheel, install it into the pullstart houshing,

pull the string out through the housing and turn the wheel a few turns to get tension back into the spring,

Then let it it recoil with the pullstart string pulled fully out, which with the spring recoiling winds the string back in,

Actually a lot harder to explain how to do it than to get it rewound.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 5:23 PM   
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Pullstarts are not difficult to put back together,

I've bought pullstarts on eBay recently that only needed rewound and then made a tidy profit on each of them,


You could make a killing in the states offering that service. Seriously, charge just 1/2 the price for a new one. Ironically the first one I put back together, I did in a fairly short time. The other two took me hours (and I used every method out there). The problem is, each time I don't get it...I get more and more frustrated. Then the family has to hear all that dad-cussing in the garage. ;-)


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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 10/28/2012 6:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		HerrSavage,That is a great video,I was LMAO,Great driving skills I might add.Thanks for posting it!

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 11/10/2012 1:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		It finally got warm enough for me to go out and run my X again today.  At first it wouldnt start.  I thought I had it primed correctly, but I didnt see any fuel moving thru the line.  I remembered a tip that someone posted in this thread about attaching a length of fuel line to the fuel tank lid and blowing to prime.  I had already picked up a piece to use just in case this happened.  I attached the fuel line and blew until the fuel moved into the carb.  I also remembered to tweek the throttle trim on the transmitter just a little to open up the carb a little.  After that it started right up.  After it warmed up, I put the throttle trim back to nuetral.

I had a great run and was able to stop it and start it a couple times without much trouble.  As long as I prime correctly, adjust the throttle trim and warm up correctly, everthing is gravy.  I can tell when its warmed up because it engages the clutch and starts to move by itself.  Thats when I know to turn back the throttle trim.

I'm pretty siked about having learned so much, but I'm still hungry for more knowlege.  Thats why I ordered a stack of RC books on tips, trouble shooting, performance and nitro tuning from the Air Age Store.  I'll have plenty to read this winter. 

With the Flux and the X, now I have the best of both worlds.  Thanks again for all the help. 

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 11/21/2012 6:16 PM   
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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 1/27/2013 5:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought a losi Mach 427(teal head) to replace my old Savage 25 motor(think it was beat), although I wasn't as experienced as I am now with nitro. I have a pull start on that engine and I love it, it's easy for me and I don't need to charge another battery.

It's been a couple years since I last used any of my nitro trucks and its currently winter, so yesterday I tried to start my hpi MT, it's old and I got it from a neighbor for $30.

So I try to start it and I can't get it running unless I pour some fuel in the carb then it idles for like 5-10 seconds and shuts off... So I figure hmm maybe the fuel inlet on the carb is plugged. I tried richening the fuel and leaning it but same thing so I pull the needle housing off the carb blow through and poke the needle through it to make sure nothing is plugging it. Also looked through the office to make sure all is well. I put everything back together guessing how many turns for the needle to be set at and fired her right up.

This was a pull start vehicle too, but the point is once you learn and understand how it works its very rewarding. Like I said I ripped the needle assembly off the carb cleaned it for a couple minutes and put it back together guessing how many turns to set the needle because I didn't want to have to look it up online, but it worked, I made sure it was a little rich to be safe to drive, wrapped the head in foil to let it get some heat but it didnt get over 170, due to snow flying on the engine.

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RE: I Think I'm Done with My Savage X Nitro - 1/27/2013 6:06 PM   
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I once saw a guy run a nitro truck 5 minutes without tuning. Give it another 50 years. 


Please.. Seriously, "I saw a newb who couldn't tune his Traxxas RTR engine once... " is proof of nothing. That you took it as proof though......

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