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Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK?
Yes, I think it is OK to fly FPV directly over people or houses
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No, it is never OK to fly FPV directly over people or houses
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Total Votes : 311
(last vote on : 10/24/2012 4:20 PM)
(Poll ended: 10/25/2012 9:05 PM)
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/23/2012 6:33 PM   
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804 its writing like that which makes someone consider compromises, yours and hemi's points are clear.

i hope you all including hemi can at least consider i will focus less on the slow stick and more on highly miniaturized flyers not considered here, the best i can do is shave weight off this practice to the point we're in a whole new ballpark so to speak. Before posting id really not considered it, the ole ss was good enough. I would appreciate meeting new technical and safety challenges.


I think there are many of us that are not against what you are doing as long as you follow the legal aspects and also respect to others. I am very much like 804 in this line of thinking. Granted I would not fly over anyone's home without consent as it is just the way I would do it. It is not a right or wrong issue for me, just the way I roll to keep a clear conscience.

I think FPVs are very cool and yet I don't even fly one, however I am smart enough to see this is a great technology and may open many doors for the future. I can still see using FPVs for a working farm or many other endeavors. Just the small cost alone would be a huge benefit for many business people. Think about the potential to find someone that may be lost? I remember during hurricane Katrina they used RC helicopters with cameras to fly into flooding buildings to look for survivors.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/23/2012 11:36 PM   
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Status: online 		What is ironic, in the real world of flying and (future FAA) rules, you are most likely to get turned in by another RC guy, maybe like all the ones you have antagonized on this thread!!

As you said the average joe blow or even cop does not know anything about this technology.

For this reason alone, I don't know why you post these things on youtube and then proudly post here for 10 pages (knowing full well the dust up it would cause), firing up the a dozen disgruntled guys that will turn you in when the rules change!!

Also, you are sure about your control, I shot a guy down on 72 Mhz flying in a park next to my garage when I first moved in, after I found out I just made sure to do my bench tests on a spare TX module so I could leave the antenna down. You don't know who you are flying over and if they have a radio on in there garage.



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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/23/2012 11:44 PM   
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 1:16 AM   
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 1:55 AM   
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 2:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understand that perspective.

That's not the totality of interpretation though don't lump everyone into that thinking mode. Not everyone extrapolates the action of one to a group only non thinkers, who cares what they think anyway.
There is a safe size no matter how ridiculous the worst case examples get.


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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 2:36 AM   
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Only when it comes to foam rc has our wildest imaginations come to life

Suddenly we're all series 6 insurance salesmen, your own worst enemy



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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 5:40 AM   
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Lets see what the general consensus is about flying FPV over a populated area either day or night.

Please vote and provide your thoughs on topic please.





no, it's NOT safe!

This is like me taking my gun out back and shooting beer bottles.

Not safe (I do that at the gun range) (A place built for that purpose)

Model planes should be flown in designated areas away from people and property, IMHO



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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 8:21 PM   
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Lets see what the general consensus is about flying FPV over a populated area either day or night.

Please vote and provide your thoughs on topic please.





no, it's NOT safe!

This is like me taking my gun out back and shooting beer bottles.

Not safe (I do that at the gun range) (A place built for that purpose)

Model planes should be flown in designated areas away from people and property, IMHO





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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 10:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah just two grown men seeing things differently. its childish to personally downgrade someone who views differently than you, but its the standard here among many.

Like when you embarrased yourself among other hams by going off on my 72 mhz setup, for pages. We didn't think you a child, just an errant know it all type

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/24/2012 10:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone ever find in the history of ama payments has a slow stick been the cause of the claim? I figure anyone with the rote ability to make up worst case scenarios should at least be able to find that data.

I disagree with the majority due to hype, thats all. I actually want to be convinced otherwise, and I have, that smaller weights are needed to be fully safe. Not just 30oz of foam, but around ten which I can attain with todays gear.

There is no safety scenario Ive read that makes 100% of all neighborhood flying dangerous. We allow ultra light toy grade flights all day, until someone talks adding a cam, then death from above statements begin.

You overhype dangers and don't provide requested facts, thats why I disagree. Rather than responding with more personal attacks, why not just agree to disagree? Your case for claim is accepted by the majority that shows the poll in your favor. Perhaps those who didn't agree with your poll, thought similarly. A blanket statement with no detail assessment just wont do for today's technology.

To summarize:
we had two good threads on this matter...the garage lauch thread, and this poll

everyone stated their sides

some changed their minds, I have the statements captioned if needed

most didn't

We agree its not illegal where I live, insofar as all the silly links never panned out. likely there's more debate on that issue but probably not.

Most think its distasteful and unsafe

I presented some ways to make it safe, thats where we disagree.

Any more personal attacks is really not helpful, think before you type and repeat. We can just let the thread die down too, or people can keep stating why they think its a bad idea and that's perfect, personal attacks aren't part of the deal.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't read any personal attacks aimed at Brandon. A lot of posters here are frustrated dealing with the antics of a child. Saying he is a grown man is rich. If he is a grown man he hasn't matured much past junior high and that's not an attack that's the facts. Just reading his responses, logic flow and debating and argument style says it all plus his responses are filled with junior high smart aleck remarks aimed at others. Any respect you thought you deserved was lost long ago. The majority here are adults  and can see right through your smoke screen.


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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 1:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isnt it amazing guys like nitrotom can make a simple assessment and not be personally attacking? Take examples from him and the few others who simply wrote their opinion and stated it well. read my garage thread for walenda's flip flopping after the heat set in
its easy to find, as in the first four posts if he hasn't edited it. After topspins highly embarrasing foray into my antenna choices he was never called childish or a ham-in-question, let dissenters be.

look at this ama clip about FPV
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/blog/2012/06/07/the-growing-world-of-first-person-view-model-aviation/

the range of responses is a near clone of these two fpv threads

people with weight restriction compliance willingness (usually the fpv guy)

people who don't even want to have it as a sanctioned flight method under any circumstance out of fear of faa regs (old schoolers)

and everything in between.

I respect the rights of someone not to like overhead fpv for any reason

We've spent time here battling legal inaccuracies moreso than the original opinion asked by the poll. Safety angles were discussed, worst case scenarios, some not even on ama insurance settlements before, its all out there and you all are fun to tangle with.

But the man who says i don't fly in parks, i don't like overhead fpv i hope it becomes illegal and i don't like your urban flight-that's respected. John asa and scale for me come to mind out of appx 300 posters so far who disagree in reason. No wrong law quotes, fake safety concerns, all real. can't debate that.
Frank you have a park flyer in your sig ergo its on

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 4:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just look at the numbers!     88 percent   disagrees with your actions.        You lose,  give up and move on!

There is no way that you are going to justify what you did.        It was a stupid act,    you got humiliated  (that's why your so overly  defensive),  and you just don't want to admit it   (still trying to save face).    

Give it up and move on!! 

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 4:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's two points addressed for Frank

He wrote in my thread that fpv flyers are peeping toms, pervs.

I asked him if google earth users were the same, he quit talking, till just above.

People in this poll thread who are hard to keep on subject were just the same in my thread. all very predictable.

So you are sold based on poll results of a majority...imagine if in 2005 ama made a poll that said 'should fpv be allowed at ama flying fields'

Imagine those results


But they now allow it...poll results change with time, compromise, and learning. sometimes they have no bearing on future trends.

I can clearly see what the majority wants in this poll, clear as day, we just disagree that's all...nbd.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 5:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		He wrote in my thread that fpv flyers are peeping toms, pervs.      I said you were the same as a peeping tom,  flying around and over people's home    at  night !

I asked him if google earth users were the same, he quit talking, till just above.    Google  Earth  are photographs taken from a satelite during the day.   They are not flying around at night over peoples homes with a movie camera.

People in this poll thread who are hard to keep on subject were just the same in my thread. all very predictable.    The only thing PREDICTABLE,    is your    over defensiveness of a stupid act, being   too immature to realize that it was stupid and  NOT realizing that you  ARE NOT  going to win this  argument.      

So you are sold based on poll results of a majority.   ..imagine if in 2005 ama made a poll that said 'should fpv be allowed at ama flying fields'

Imagine those results        Here you say  imagine if in 2005 a poll.....


But they now allow it...poll results change with time, compromise, and learning. sometimes they have no bearing on future trends.     Now you claim a poll was taken in 2005  and the poll results changed,  so now  AMA  allows  FPV  flights at  flying fields.    

So if   we    IMAGINE a poll was taken in 2005,     and  IMAGINE  that those results were against it,   but now   those  IMAGINED    polls  have changed and the AMA  allows FPV  at   AMA flying fields.  

So  where did your original   garage night flight take place?       at an    IMAGINED  AMA  flying  field?    

Face it  Brandon,    the popular  vote is against your stunt and your reasoning.       Just say,  "It was stupid,  I'm sorry and  I must agree with the majority of the people on here that it was not the right thing to do."


Then,    drop it and move on !!!          


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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 6:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is such a micro scale possible for rc fpv that physical safety can no longer be the no stamp.

I'm simply attracted as a tech to miniaturization to gain flying convenience.



Flying fpv ama legal in a park has your plane at heights that you can now see back yards


Do you see how deep the double standards go? Having you respond to that is classic anti fpv drivel

In no way do i want to make enemies, i wanted to show a vid to see if y'all thought it was light enough yet. Guess not.
Simply looking at the time stamps in the garage thread on yours and my interaction or topspin or walenda shows why you post the way you do here.

I see the results of the majority, very clear.


If some of you saw a neighbor flying a parrot ar drone, bought from a bookshop, out above his yard you wouldn't run out and repeat this you'd probably strike up a conversation to let him know what's in your garage.

who am i kidding...no you wouldn't that's just me you w inform him on the illegalities and safety concerns and ama violations
and that you have logged his activities accordingly should he repeat. the cool kind of neighbor

Ar drones are for sale at Barnes and noble. A little item off a shelf w no purchase age limit has this much power over you guys, id be embarrassed to think such a thing. No Barnes and noble toy affects my privacy or safety, just yours.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 6:45 AM   
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 10/25/2012 2:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flying FPV over a neighborhood is childish and stupid. It is reckless and a single incident can endanger the reputation of the hobby for everyone. Brandon429 reminds me of an aging B movie personality who constanly seeks to get their name in the paper to keep alive in the public eye. I don't think I have ever seen a more attention starved individual. It's sad really, I haven't seen this on RCU since I joined.

In any case I'm going to ask the Moderators to close this poll as it has served it's purpose and is now just being used as a sounding board.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 4/8/2013 8:17 PM   
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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 4/10/2013 2:26 AM   
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 I'm sorry and  I must agree with the majority of the people on here

'Agree with the majority without question, conforrm at all costs', doesn't sound like the America I care to live in. Thank God it's not and we have the freedom to choose, to experiment, and even to disagree. History has shown many times that naysayers are frequently wrong. It's a good thing the Wrights didn't listen to their detractors. 

There are planes flying overhead that occasionally drop blue ice, tires, and even flight controls like flaps, and no one hollers about 'the sky is falling'. A sub-1lb. foamy can do very slight damage, period. That's just a very weak argument. 

As far as invasion/expectation of privacy, we're all going to find out shortly about where those lines are thanks to government drone policy, and most won't like it. I'll bet the same naysayers will buckle and won't say a word for fear of the gov't. 

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 4/10/2013 4:33 AM   
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Smoking- before the 90's, you could smoke just about anywhere you wanted to, with a few very reasonable exceptions. Now you can't do it hardly anywhere besides your own property.
Alcohol- There used to be no minimum drinking age, then it was 18, now it's 21.
Driving speed- There used to be no speed limit. Now you'll get fined for exceeding 55 on most roads, 70 on most interstates.
Guns- Don't get me started...
Business- It used to be easy to start a business and make a profit if you had a good idea. Now it costs a fortune because of regulations, fees, and extra equipment.

I could go on, but this is enough to make my point, which is simply that we lost some of our freedoms in these areas simply because we abused our freedoms in these areas. Jerks bothered people with their smoking, idiots killed people driving too fast (often while intoxicated), businesses mistreated their employees, and too many people sold guns to criminals. So the government stepped in to regulate those things because the populace showed that it wouldn't self-regulate. Now in our tiny little part of society we have FPV pilots. If they will self-regulate and maintain the standard of not even appearing to be unsafe or irresponsible, we will keep our freedoms. But the videos I see and some of the threads I read say they won't, and so we will eventually have new regulations to deal with. Once these goons ruin this hobby, they'll move on to something else and we'll then have to deal with the consequences.

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RE: Is Flying FPV Over a Neighborhood OK? - 4/11/2013 4:31 PM   
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Status: online 		Anybody ever thought of buying personal liability insurance, or approached a pilot insurance company about insurance for FPV?

I sure would not think of trying AMA to get to cover it.

Now to FPV... with my GA private pilots license, I can currently fly over just about any ones home... (not white house and similar ilk). Guys build home-built planes and ultralights all the time... It is possible to build a sound aircraft and have it inspected as airworthy... so lets just get the rules down and lets get flying FPV... now we are going to have to talk about video frequencies and autopilot gear etc... but lets get the process going.

The air above your home does not belong to you never did... so if they would just get cracking and release some guidelines so we can get together on this issue.
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