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ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM

yes and no from what I seen

Most times it depends on models like for example the HPI Brama 10b, HPI Recon, HPI Trophy are pretty much turds that should never have been sold (I have 1st hand experience with the 1st 2, and not read one positive thing from owners on the 3rd). But on the other hand HPI has some pretty decent RC's for their price range (excluding the 3 I mentioned before the 1st 2 should be at least half their price) like the Wheely king. Also HPI only raised prices on things like the wheely king($15 increase) after they added things like waterproof electronics, a 2.4ghz radio, and a water proof radio box(yes you get all that for $15 more than the old one) vs traxxas for their XL-5 line the only modification they did was an almost $50 price increase on the box it still has the Blue XL-5, still has the crummy AM Radio(I've had 2 TQ AM's, also used my nephews, and they were the WORST radio I've ever used as they were glitchy as hell).

So its not straight across the board bashing its more particular model bashing for most the other companies.

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ORIGINAL: Scottypiper

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ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM

yes and no from what I seen

Most times it depends on models like for example the HPI Brama 10b, HPI Recon, HPI Trophy are pretty much turds that should never have been sold (I have 1st hand experience with the 1st 2, and not read one positive thing from owners on the 3rd). But on the other hand HPI has some pretty decent RC's for their price range (excluding the 3 I mentioned before the 1st 2 should be at least half their price) like the Wheely king. Also HPI only raised prices on things like the wheely king($15 increase) after they added things like waterproof electronics, a 2.4ghz radio, and a water proof radio box(yes you get all that for $15 more than the old one) vs traxxas for their XL-5 line the only modification they did was an almost $50 price increase on the box it still has the Blue XL-5, still has the crummy AM Radio(I've had 2 TQ AM's, also used my nephews, and they were the WORST radio I've ever used as they were glitchy as hell).

So its not straight across the board bashing its more particular model bashing for most the other companies.

Do you see the e Firestorm Flux as being overpriced as well...since it's similar in price to the Rustlyer VXL?

RTR Stadium trucks should be in what price range then...without being overpriced?

The reason why I'm asking is that Traxxas (Rustler VXL) and HPI Racing (e Firestorm Flux) having their stadium trucks around $320-340....where as Team Associated has theirs (T4.1) around $250 but you need a battery and a charger....although with a LiPo battery and charger it comes to like $330+

But then it's a comparison of what you are getting....are the transmitters equal?....etc.

I still have yet to decide after looking at stuff for over 3 weeks now....it's between HPI Racing's e Firestorm Flux...the Traxxas Rustler VXL....and Team Associated's T4.1......which is my best bang for the buck non-racing fun?  I just wish I could get the looks of one on the frame of another.  I love the looks to fthe Firestorm and Rustler compared to the T4.1 but from what I see - the T4.1 has better handling then the other two....I'm not worried about speed.  In a lot of ways - I think Traxxas hypes up the speed thing too much...because wreckless speed gains you nothing but headaches and dents in your wallet.  That and needing the space and flat surface for it to be somewhat safe.

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ORIGINAL: Haddi Taha

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

I do think traxxas is one of the most inavative companys out, they really think out side the box, and I think that style of thinking attracts customers. I think the push rod suspension and dual universal ends on there sliders is a great idea. And the diff locks and 2 speed gears on a summit are cool. When traxxas prefects these, will that bring lost customers back?

I must admit when the revo 3.3 came out, that was very cool. Rocking up to a bash spot with a mate, I would watch him pull start his car with great fustration, I let at it and calmly walked to my revo and docked the battery wand into the back and pushed the button... Off it went, it's just too easy I said, I got the look of death lol, then showing him reverse... His jaw dropped. Nitro's don't have reverse he said. I just smiled and laughed going around the track and over the jumps backward.

I heard someone saying Telemerty is a gimmick, it's not, it's got some Awsome features, with mine I can tell motor rpm, speed, battery volts, motor temp, I've set extra gauges that show me average speed, max temp, min battery voltage and max rpm. It's also got audiable alarms for low voltage, and high temp. No more guessing about how much charge is left and the condition of my battery's, and the guess work with motor temp. Very handy for bashing on grass.

There are many people like me who just don't see the greatness in ''innovative'' designs. How come most top end 1/8 buggies and truggies share roughly the same design which has been around for a fair bit a time? Because it works! 

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

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ORIGINAL: Haddi Taha

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

I do think traxxas is one of the most inavative companys out, they really think out side the box, and I think that style of thinking attracts customers. I think the push rod suspension and dual universal ends on there sliders is a great idea. And the diff locks and 2 speed gears on a summit are cool. When traxxas prefects these, will that bring lost customers back?

I must admit when the revo 3.3 came out, that was very cool. Rocking up to a bash spot with a mate, I would watch him pull start his car with great fustration, I let at it and calmly walked to my revo and docked the battery wand into the back and pushed the button... Off it went, it's just too easy I said, I got the look of death lol, then showing him reverse... His jaw dropped. Nitro's don't have reverse he said. I just smiled and laughed going around the track and over the jumps backward.

I heard someone saying Telemerty is a gimmick, it's not, it's got some Awsome features, with mine I can tell motor rpm, speed, battery volts, motor temp, I've set extra gauges that show me average speed, max temp, min battery voltage and max rpm. It's also got audiable alarms for low voltage, and high temp. No more guessing about how much charge is left and the condition of my battery's, and the guess work with motor temp. Very handy for bashing on grass.

If Manifactures stopped making innovative designs because there last design worked we wouldent see new cars and trucks. I highly recomend reading up what X-ray went through making there last EP touring car. Very innovative if u ask me


There are many people like me who just don't see the greatness in ''innovative'' designs. How come most top end 1/8 buggies and truggies share roughly the same design which has been around for a fair bit a time? Because it works!

If it wasent for innovation we all would be still running coffin and bath tub chassis. A great example is the RC10 look at all the innovations that have made it evolve. Or look at the losi smart diffs, or the slipperential, big bore shocks, slippers, fluid filled diffs, brushless combos, careless servos, carbon fiber chassis parts, high detail lexan bodies, movable motor position, TiN coated shafts, teflon coated shock bodies, etc there are so manny innovations in Rc carsthese days more than u would think.

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

CVD by design have excessive back lash and are prone to excessive ware. The greater the angle on a CVD the more it wares out the drive cup, (this is seen on most 1/8 buggies on the front gearbox to diff drive cups and the rear end drive cups)
the more wear they get, the more backlash they produce & the more backlash there is the faster it wears out.
The rate in witch they wear increases with each use. the biggest problem is they dont have universial joints at each end, so like i was saying the old style dog bone end wares out excessivle fast compared to the universial end. traxxas fixed that issue with a simple fix, why not have a universial join at each end with a sluder in the middle rather than using a dog bone as a join and a slider.
The traxxas universial slider shafts dont to this no where neer as much

I think gear diffs are becoming more common because they are more consistant and reduce heat

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

man u should of seen the wear in the diff output cups on a TA01 I got, it had eaten a chuck at least 4mm out of the Cups. and that was a stock rally car, no funny parts or ride hight... I just had alot of run time. Another example would be the diff rear cups & the front cup from the gearbox on my 2nd hand Losi 8ight its very excessive. It was a ex nitro race buggy, so that would but extra strain on the cups. from what ive been seeing any buggy/truggy that has a off centre gearbox wears out the gearbox cups faster than vehicles that have a dead straight driveline

I know the traxxas sliders are a favourite for custom crawlers and anything with a odd lenght

Would to see a test for durability

I would say its all about run time... check out this pic of a MIP hardened cup

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

The Mad Modder
I totally agree with u

Haddi Taha
Dont know, never hear of these clips?
its very common to wearout the drive cups like in that pic, honestly that is mild.
I sure some of the other guys will chim in.
Its all about run time, for each wheel rotation there is two spots where the dog bone pins slides accros the cup (Vertical position TDC & BDC)
over time this wears out the dogbone pins as well as the cups, then as it gets worse, it starts to hammer back in forth inside the drive cup.
And trust me if u hammer and rub something it wears down real fast. all it takes is about 100h or run time, maby even less for off road cars. u can put grease on there, but if dust and dirt get in the grease, it turns it into a cutting compound and have the oppsit affect.

I hear people saying well mine has not done that, I say u havent been driving it long enough

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

man u should of seen the wear in the diff output cups on a TA01 I got, it had eaten a chuck at least 4mm out of the Cups. and that was a stock rally car, no funny parts or ride hight... I just had alot of run time. Another example would be the diff rear cups & the front cup from the gearbox on my 2nd hand Losi 8ight its very excessive. It was a ex nitro race buggy, so that would but extra strain on the cups. from what ive been seeing any buggy/truggy that has a off centre gearbox wears out the gearbox cups faster than vehicles that have a dead straight driveline

I know the traxxas sliders are a favourite for custom crawlers and anything with a odd lenght

Would to see a test for durability

I would say its all about run time... check out this pic of a MIP hardened cup

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ORIGINAL: The_Shark

actually dig the rally car, good job traxxas.

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ORIGINAL: TheKennyKiller

Brushless = worn out drive cups. Brushed & Nitro = not so much.

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

yeah nar I would agree, appart from 1/8 nitro motors and those Losi XXX are not very powerfull, what are they like a .12 motor, My slash has more power than those things lol and its running wait for it..... the plastic slider shafts

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ORIGINAL: suburban_hooligan

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ORIGINAL: TheKennyKiller

Brushless = worn out drive cups. Brushed & Nitro = not so much.

iv herd people say that, but iv never personally seen any evidence to support it. 
all my friends with SC10's have never had an issue with worn or broken drive cups.  and we aren't takling about stock RTR's.  2 of the homies are rocking tekin 8.5's.  i think the slow guys are running tekin 10.5's right now.
ill have to check the ones on the homies B44.  iv never bothered to look.
3 years of use and the TC4's never had a problem.
the homies losi 8ight-E 2.0 has un-noticeable wear (granted it is a race only buggy and is only about 4 months old)

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

yeah nar I would agree, appart from 1/8 nitro motors and those Losi XXX are not very powerfull, what are they like a .12 motor, My slash has more power than those things lol and its running wait for it..... the plastic slider shafts

iv actually broken those plasic shafts on a slash.  the truck was a few months old and belonged to a friend.  i was driving it at the track and came out of a tight corner, hammered the throttle and the ujoint let go.  twisted the pin right out of it.
what's the lame excuse for that?  it was the brushed model converted to brushless?

broke one on a revo casing a jump to.  that was interesting.

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ORIGINAL: suburban_hooligan

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ORIGINAL: TheKennyKiller

Brushless = worn out drive cups. Brushed & Nitro = not so much.

iv herd people say that, but iv never personally seen any evidence to support it. 
all my friends with SC10's have never had an issue with worn or broken drive cups.  and we aren't takling about stock RTR's.  2 of the homies are rocking tekin 8.5's.  i think the slow guys are running tekin 10.5's right now.
ill have to check the ones on the homies B44.  iv never bothered to look.
3 years of use and the TC4's never had a problem.
the homies losi 8ight-E 2.0 has un-noticeable wear (granted it is a race only buggy and is only about 4 months old)

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

yeah nar I would agree, appart from 1/8 nitro motors and those Losi XXX are not very powerfull, what are they like a .12 motor, My slash has more power than those things lol and its running wait for it..... the plastic slider shafts

iv actually broken those plasic shafts on a slash.  the truck was a few months old and belonged to a friend.  i was driving it at the track and came out of a tight corner, hammered the throttle and the ujoint let go.  twisted the pin right out of it.
what's the lame excuse for that?  it was the brushed model converted to brushless?

broke one on a revo casing a jump to.  that was interesting.

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

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ORIGINAL: suburban_hooligan

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ORIGINAL: TheKennyKiller

Brushless = worn out drive cups. Brushed & Nitro = not so much.

iv herd people say that, but iv never personally seen any evidence to support it. 
all my friends with SC10's have never had an issue with worn or broken drive cups.  and we aren't takling about stock RTR's.  2 of the homies are rocking tekin 8.5's.  i think the slow guys are running tekin 10.5's right now.
ill have to check the ones on the homies B44.  iv never bothered to look.
3 years of use and the TC4's never had a problem.
the homies losi 8ight-E 2.0 has un-noticeable wear (granted it is a race only buggy and is only about 4 months old)

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ORIGINAL: phmaximus

yeah nar I would agree, appart from 1/8 nitro motors and those Losi XXX are not very powerfull, what are they like a .12 motor, My slash has more power than those things lol and its running wait for it..... the plastic slider shafts

iv actually broken those plasic shafts on a slash.  the truck was a few months old and belonged to a friend.  i was driving it at the track and came out of a tight corner, hammered the throttle and the ujoint let go.  twisted the pin right out of it.
what's the lame excuse for that?  it was the brushed model converted to brushless?

broke one on a revo casing a jump to.  that was interesting.

What's ur problem, don't be a tool and turn this into a flame war.

So u dident actually break the slider, u just poped out the stock plastic joint? Wow for u.
Most people run the upgrade traxxas ones on brushless combos, maby u missed that memo.