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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 12:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like your sentiment on doin the search first... however, if the search does no yield satisfactory results.... ASK!!! We are happy to help if we can, only a few on here do no enjoy helping, the only dumb questions are those not asked. as far as the search goes when you are new to something.....it's pretty useless anyhow

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 1:22 AM   
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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 1:34 AM   
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Electric power is no different then any other, just very quiet and clean compared to the rest. Sense the advent of the better batteries they have become very popular for all flying. Even choppers. The fellow we were flying with today was flying his electric powered Heli.
It's a dry heat!! Sort of like fire!! We moved here for a number of reasons, one was the weather, the dry and warm part. Old body likes dry heat!! Young body liked the beach!



ah ok.  do you still get the same amount of power output or is electric weaker? and that picture is that like just before a crash? it looks like a second after the camera take photo that man have very very bad day haha.  it is like right at the ground!  knowing some of you pilots out there he probably has some trick and barely saves it in time.  you see if i were at controls it would be a game of 52 pick up lol helicopter must be easier to fly because they dont always fly forward and you can stop and hover, no? well for me it is the opposite.  i love the cold and snow  i grew up skiing and ice skating.  i have never been anywhere hotter than probably 90 degree farenheit.  we dont have warm wter beaches here at all... we have many beaches its just the wake and the water are so cold you would freeze to solid in them lol 



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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 1:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		7 airplanes? that is insane.  i guess you learned from each mistake.  each crash builds better skills i assume.  i just hope i dont crash mine so in a way crashing is not 100% bad.  can you glue or rebuild them after crash or do you just salvage electric parts? i imagine somthings you could save.  like the black boxes that move control surface or the battery or reciever or something.  i am glad i am going through a club to start so i dont fall down same road lol
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Oh no, don't be afraid to ask. We like helping new people because we were new some time ago and we got help.
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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 2:41 AM   
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Welcome to the Addiction..  Most of us started out like you, one trainer.. Now after about 30 years or so, I have about 30 planes in different states of completion..  so just be ready to feed your addition..  also, the tricks and stunts will come to you as your flying abilities progress.. eventually, you might get a full blown case of Dyscirclia, this is where most of your horizontal circles become vertical circles (Loops) and it progresses from there, so be prepared..

Anyway, welcome to the hobby and RCU..  sounds like you are doing everything correctly in your training, so keep it up, and keep us up to date on your progress..  Don't be afraid to ask us questions...  like previously stated, most of us like helping new flyers, as most of us remember how difficult it was when we were learning..

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 3:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes i know i am addicted now.  it is like a drug. you see if rc airplanes were more publicly known and accepted i think harmful drugs like cocaine and heroin would not be problem as rc airplane building and flying is obviously more addictive than any other substance lol  i had not heard of the hobby until i found the deal and decided it was something i might enjoy.  now i have the itch to fly again. i am just thinking about what i need to do to improve and try to solo safely.  computer simulator really helps i think.  hopefully tomorrow. i figure maybe after i get really good with training airplane i could get something electric power to mess with and learn to fly something a bit more wild with more skill then possibly build my own airplane as project.  that will be down the road.  i rarely have time for anything with work and my studies.  possibly build someday.  it seems very time consuming but being able to craft a piece of art that flys well and be able to say you built it with your bare hands is nice i bet.  but before any commitments that large i need to get down the landings and all around flying first
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Alena23,

Welcome to the Addiction..  Most of us started out like you, one trainer.. Now after about 30 years or so, I have about 30 planes in different states of completion..  so just be ready to feed your addition..  also, the tricks and stunts will come to you as your flying abilities progress.. eventually, you might get a full blown case of Dyscirclia, this is where most of your horizontal circles become vertical circles (Loops) and it progresses from there, so be prepared..

Anyway, welcome to the hobby and RCU..  sounds like you are doing everything correctly in your training, so keep it up, and keep us up to date on your progress..  Don't be afraid to ask us questions...  like previously stated, most of us like helping new flyers, as most of us remember how difficult it was when we were learning..

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 3:49 AM   
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You sound excited and smart, you're going to have a great time flying and learning. The only additional piece of advice I have is....look for some storage space now!  You're going to need it sooner than you think!

BTW, I'm VERY proud of my fellow fliers for being so welcome, positive and considerate to our new flying friend.  Thank you!

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 5:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alena23, You fall into the 10% club.

You came here with absolutely no R/C back ground, asked the usual questions, but unlike 90%, you took that advice and are having a successfull experience. Many come here ask the same questions then try to go and fly the plane by themselves anyway. For some reason we rairly hear from those guys again. Congratulations and welcome. Craigs List is a good source for used planes as well as the market place here on RCU. I have about 12 planes and 8 or so unbuilt kits and ARFs.

This thread needs to be stickied and renamed "How get started right!"

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 9:21 AM   
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Alena 23 welcome to the wonderfull world of RC...Any full size flying experience you have will not help you in fact it will probably make it harder for you...I am a full size pilot and I can tell you from experience that it is far harder to fly rc than to fly full size...That said you got a fantastic deal and you are going about this rite with the rite attitude....I used the Nexstar for about a year when I came back into the hobby...They are a great flying trainer....If you get an instructor and join a club , you will do fine...You can set it up on skis or floats for flying from the snow if winter flying is going to slow you down...I did see that you are in Alaska didn't I ? You must be running out of good fall weather soon I would think...


Not disagreeing with you for the sake of argument, because i agree that there are many differences between full size and RC flying, mainly perspective and lack of any physical feedback to your body except the stick tension in the RC transmitter..

Having said that..  I have been an RC pilot for 34 Years and a real pilot for 31 years (now flying a Global Express),  I understand what you are all saying about being a full size pilot does not help.. but in many ways it will help..

They can be mutually beneficial as long as you respect the differences...

IE, Stalling theory, washout, aileron differential, thrust and drag line, CG,  all that knowledge from full size helps with the models.  

I learned RC planes before real planes but i learned Real Helicopters before RC helicopters and I can say, in all cases the knowledge gained from RC and Full size crosses over well..

I would have never attempted an RC Helicopter without understanding basic rotor theory from the fullsize..

Having said my 2 cents worth, I do agree with those who say the physical skill of flying a real plane will not enable you to automatically fly an RC model.. very different muscle memory required and no Kinesthetic feedback from RC... its all eyes and ears..

Good luck and get some training from an experienced club instructor and you should have no troubles.

PS.. I wouldn't say the RC models are harder.. try spending a month at Bombardier in Montreal on initial, exams every day, stressful simulator sessions... and an 8 hour flight check ride at the end...

I fly the models to relax and uwind... I took my MCPX and a DX6i to Montreal and it kept me sane, having a few flights each night after class...

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/1/2012 1:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome to the wonderful world of R/C. I am glad to see you followed the advice of the members here before you went out on your own.
Don't get in a hurry to solo. Take your time. You will find that taking off by yourself is quite easy but landing takes a lot of practice. Don't rush it and stick with your instructor until you are completely ready to solo.
All of us here were beginners at one time and we understand very well where you are coming from.
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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/2/2012 11:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		 omg guys good news. I flew most of yesterday.  I probably put four or five full tanks of fuel through.(half of which just ended up on the wing  and side of body waiting to be cleaned off lol) so this time I was allowed to take off Everytime and I did figure 8's almost nonstop.  I also learned some throttle management and how to make turns(it feels like the airplane is going to slip out of the air and crash on turns without using left stick to balance it out.  I also practiced "touch and go" but that was mainly instructor giving demos.   I did have one here I came in alone a touch down but I was to fast and hard and bounced like a ball and tried one last time and bounced again so I just throttle it and go back up. the wind was blowing from the side so that was not easy but I am learning.  Now 80-95% of my flying int the air is just me with no help but landing and take off I need a few corrections.  the engine died once but instructor just flip his switch and bring it in with no power some how.   I didn't think that was possible lol. I know full size airplanes can but I thought an rc would just lose all control and crash.  so another succesfull day in the air and itching for more  maybe a solo in a few more flight if all is well.  I attempted picture but it was to high.  They tell me to practice very high in the air so crashing is less likely.  Thanks for the help everyone, I think I will be joining this club

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/2/2012 11:42 AM   
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Learning to fly using both sticks I think is very good practice.

Doing lots of figure 8's at various speeds and sizes I think also helped me a lot.

If the instructor is ok with it, you might do some stalls up high. IE cut power to idle, and add up elevator to keep the same altitude. Eventually the plane will loose enough speed that airflow over the wing stalls, and the plane will nose down. Then you (or he) will get off of the elevator and add some power to get airspeed, and pull out of the dive.

It gives you an idea of the plane's stall speed, and how it acts when it is about to stall. This might help with your landings.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/2/2012 1:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great news! Figure eights will give you some good practice. I know they helped me a lot. I did them over and over and I bet bugged folks watching, but it sure helped me get the "hang" of it. I also was relentless practicing circuits left to right and right to left. I struggled the most right to left and now I can glass the landings both ways.

One thing I noticed watching other guys is that some guys even after flying for 20+ years still struggle right to left landings and even making the right bank turns to approach to land. I felt like I should be able to fly comfortably in both directions and in most any circumstances so I practiced, practiced and more practiced. I got to where I could make right to left better than left to right and almost messed up when I went back to normal landing approach

For me it is important to continue to work both directions and always keep your skills honed. I was flying the other weekend and it was somewhat windy. All of a sudden I saw leaves and the wind picked up and it was boisterous. I thought to myself, yikes this was not good. I tried to keep flying through it hoping it would die down, which it did slightly but was not going to be the best situation.

The point is all the practice paid off. I just kept a level head and flew right through the wind gust with some throttle management and watched carefully for a slight break then brought my plane down. It was sketchy and I had to bring the plane in extremely fast to keep control, but I made it. Without the practice I don't think I would have saved my plane.

I read somewhere that you should go to the field with goals and accomplish them and I will state that goals help me to not become a stale RC pilot. When I start getting complacent I plan a new strategy and decide to practice a new routine. Right now I am working on smooth rolls maintaining constant altitude and better knife edges. I had been recently practicing knife edges in complete circuits left to right and right to left and I can do a complete circle of the field doing knife edge - totally cool for someone only flying a few years now.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/3/2012 1:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		well I have decided that pretty soon I will be able to land.  I have figured it out mostly.  You have to slow down before you make the last turn and basically idle or glide I and just slowly let it drop down onto the runway.  they have had me doing touch and goes and practicing getting out of stalls and certain spins.  but I only do that really high up.  the engine died once while I was flying but I did did not land it. Why do they do that? Is it my motor? I have never seen other planes randomly die.  they said it was my fuel because I have to run it at a high idle and if I give it throttle to quick it will bog and be very unresponsive or it will just die all together.  not a massive problem but annoying.  Other than that all is fine so far

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/3/2012 2:28 PM   
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I thought I had read the whole thread....

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/3/2012 11:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glow engines can kind of load up when idling, and suddenly opening the throttle can cause it to die.

Well tuned a good engine is generally reliable. Sometimes a different glow plug can help. Fox makes one called the miricle plug.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/12/2012 2:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		 ok everyone sorry for no updates lately. I have been flying about daily and getting the hang. now I can fly without he input of and instructor and I have landed a few times.  today I am going to solo.  I had a few flight where the instructor never touched the controls so I think I am ready. I did come into land way to fast and high but I cut the engine so I was not able to go around.  I hit the ground and bounced like twice before going of into the field and eventually slowing down and crashing but I only bent the nose wheel back. nothing serious at all thank god.  I think the trick to landing is comin in at a near stall and starting early and just putting it down. thanks for all the help guys, wish me luck

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/12/2012 5:22 PM   
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 ok everyone sorry for no updates lately. I have been flying about daily and getting the hang. now I can fly without he input of and instructor and I have landed a few times.  today I am going to solo.  I had a few flight where the instructor never touched the controls so I think I am ready. I did come into land way to fast and high but I cut the engine so I was not able to go around.  I hit the ground and bounced like twice before going of into the field and eventually slowing down and crashing but I only bent the nose wheel back. nothing serious at all thank god.  I think the trick to landing is comin in at a near stall and starting early and just putting it down. thanks for all the help guys, wish me luck


One of the best pieces of advice I have received about landing was to simply FLY the plane in and not so much stalling it to the ground. It all starts with a good downward leg and approach. I learned once I bought a fast sport plane just how important it is to fly the plane to a successful landing with the correct speed. I had tried to slow down real slow and flare my sport plane out only to find out what a stall on a sport plane is like! Let me just state it was not pretty and required some repair work.

As I bought larger gas planes that advice has paid great dividends and my landings have improved so much that I am more comfortable now. I fly with different groups of folks that fly different styles and some just have not gotten a handle on the art of landing. I fly with some older guys that fly larger gassers and have been flying for probably 30+ years. I am so amazed at how these guys land and it is like art. The takeoffs are equally impressing - smooth, consistant and precise. It becomes a joy to watch.

I am anticipating your next report. Let us know how it goes.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/13/2012 10:00 PM   
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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/13/2012 11:49 PM   
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T'is the season for adolescent behavior I guess. I didn't get assigned the ticket, but I can certainly take action. It is time. Man, this is two today.


I was going to edit out several of the posts that were obvious violations of RCU rules, but it seems that the action would have me deleting or editing to darned many posts. So, as much as it pains me, and even considering it was going well at first, and some members that I both admire and respect, Mr67Stang, John, and ' Beard, and others, have placed very applicable posts, I am locking this thread down.

Michael, learn to take constructive criticism.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/14/2012 12:24 PM  1 votes
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I received a few PM's from posters in this thread that are upset about my actions locking this thread down. They asked me to edit out the very negative comments by some posters and reviving it so that they can read of the successes of the original poster with his attempts to fly RC.

I unlocked it, not from pressure, but to acknowledge a request from those that I admire and respect very much and intend to keep a very close eye on this thread and will close it down again at the first sign of any negativity.

One more thing. Someone in this thread sent a very nasty PM to one of the other posters in this thread. I am not happy with the content of that PM and intend to take action on behalf of the individual that received the very nasty PM. The person that sent the PM knows who he is as do I. If that continues, you can expect that the person sending those types of PM's will be forever banned from ever accessing ANY threads on RCU. RCKen, who is "our boss", has been notified and will also be keeping a very close eye on how this progresses.

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/14/2012 4:09 PM   
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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/14/2012 5:39 PM   
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Forgive me, I only normally meet very intelligent erudite and sophisticated Americans. They tell me your sort exists but we tend not to go to that area of the boondocks. I've met Frank Gehry, Buckminster Fuller and Frank Lloyd Wright, and lots of Pullitzer Prize Winners. I now picture you as one of the others, rather obese, with a few failed matrimonial relationships, and a job working for the govermnment.

I expect you are a trainer. It may be because you said 'Me, me, me!!' rather than because you knew anything about the subject. In my line of work I meet a lot or artisans who know one way of doing things and are most vexed when somebody expects them to think a bit wider.

Have you trouble experiencing the new? Do,you find it rather difficult to cope with? Do you work for the government? Perhaps in the military. Have you ever done a worthwhile job? Do you have a job?

Still, it takes all sorts. But let me tell you, it's easy to calculate how long your thousands of postings on this site have taken, and it's clear you rarely ever leave the house. Which explains why you are so fat and inexperienced. 

Do  even have a degree?



Wow... that's the best support you can muster for yourself?

A childish attempt to draw people into your name calling? Rather sad.

I see nothing in that post that supports anything you've said nor refutes anyone nor anything.

When posting to forums, or participating in any discussion or argument it is a good idea to stick to the point.

One would assume you've learned that by now.



opjose, that post from Michael brings to mind something I have thought about often as I grow older. Knowledge is one matter and can be destructive, but understanding and the wisdom to use that knowledge correctly is a greater matter and a more worthy cause with great benefits. I have found many knowledgeable men in my life that failed in understanding and using wisdom in its utilization

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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/14/2012 5:49 PM   
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opjose, that post from Michael brings to mind something I have thought about often as I grow older. Knowledge is one matter and can be destructive, but understanding and the wisdom to use that knowledge correctly is a greater matter and a more worthy cause with great benefits. I have found many knowledgeable men in my life that failed in understanding and using wisdom in its utilization



Yup. Very true.

Thanks to CGRetired, we can get back to the actual questions in this thread.



To anyone starting out, there are very valid reasons why you tend to hear the same advice over and over again, which this thread opened with.

The "tried and true" techniques are the safest and usually the cheapest and most enjoyable avenues to get into and stay in the hobby.





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RE: very first airplane-where do i start? - 11/14/2012 6:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something else to consider when buying a used radio or plane with radio is how old the batteries are and how well they were cared for. They may seem ok for the moment, but you don't want them to fail your 3rd or 4th time up. To be safe I would buy a new transmitter battery and receiver battery. Check for any local hobby shops. They'll be able to set up up with a club or someone in the area who can instruct you.

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