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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/1/2012 11:24 PM   
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We have a local field that looks like it is going to ban LiPo and already banned turbines, you could be the only jet guy there!!



They would really be pissed if you showed up with a gas turbine generator to charge you lipos.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/1/2012 11:46 PM   
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I don't remember ever owning a slow ICDF. Mine were all Y/A and they all hauled on OS .91's. I had a Y/A A-4 with a BVM .96/Viofan and it really hauled.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 12:19 AM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 1:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bet many of the turbine guys still have their ICDF equipment from earlier days.
Very few still fly these and there are quite a few planes are just sitting and collect dust...
If you go to their forum, someone might give you a good deal.




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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 1:47 AM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 2:03 AM   
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What do you want for the engine?

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 2:13 AM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can understand some clubs banning turbines. There is noise, burned grass and high speeds, that all could be a problem if you are
in small field or too close to a city.

But banning Lipos is just dumb.
They normally don't go up in flames in midair, fires happen as you charge them and may destroy your model, but won't harm others.

And I am a gas and nitro guy. I would not like be in a club with too many regulations.

I like to see a variety of models, electric, turbines, ducted fans, large, fast, scale and whatever the members like to fly.

If you are surprised why no new members will come and sign up, it might be due to the limitations. As a newbie, I'd be scared away and look elsewhere.



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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:31 AM   
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there are still people flying ICDF - I am one.
I have a 30 year old byron mig 15 with a ROSSI .81 - it flys really nice .If you know how to set it up and use good fuel with castor oil in it - my rossi runs just like a os.91 but it turns 1000 more rpm. Been flying ICDF since 1980 .I love the sound and smell of nitromethane.My mig weighs 14lbs with 30 ozs. of fuel - has a onboard glow heating system-just a 1.5 volt AA battery in a radio shack battery holder. Speed is approx. 130mph .
I only have a dead stick landing when I run out of fuel..................

I have EDFs too - but I like nitro more .

Rabbit dry lake forever !!!!!!

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:38 AM   
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As for me I think an ICDF at a jet rally would get my pilots choice vote. I would love to see one again.

We have a local field that looks like it is going to ban LiPo and already banned turbines, you could be the only jet guy there!!

BVM Sport Shark with KBV 72!! That would be awesome.



I hope youre not referring to the basin.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:44 AM   
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beong to a club> no turbines allowed>>. been talking about the lipos>> and the cd planes


The hemet club voted at the last meeting to allow turbines again during cooler months Oct tru April.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 4:38 AM   
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Hi,

I don't remember ever owning a slow ICDF. Mine were all Y/A and they all hauled on OS .91's. I had a Y/A A-4 with a BVM .96/Viofan and it really hauled.


I'm with you Shaun and Jackjet. My YA F16 flew very well on a Ramtech/OS91. And my BVM Aggressor with Viojet .96 was faster than most turbine models flying today. Those who think ICDF models were slow and boring must never have seen models like this..

There is no doubt however, that even the best ICDF setups were finicky to operate, and you needed to have some skill and experience with engine tuning to be successful. These were cutting edge power plants, and you needed a good ear for a tune.

Today's turbines are far simpler to operate in comparison. So long as the wires and fuel lines are connected correctly, a turbine will run (and more importantly idle), all day. No user adjustments are required.

I'm still a fan!!

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 5:12 AM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 1:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've read though this again... and I don't think anyone has said that ICDF was "Slow and boring". But... with the exception of a few models... they were under-powered. (as far as thrust pressure)

I grew up in SoCal... and got to see a lot of the stuff as it was coming out. I flew Mile Square, Sepulveda, Whittier Narrows... and was going up to Rabbit and El Mirage back in the 80's and early 90's.

In all of my years of flying RC... I never once saw an ICDF that could get off a paved runway in a reasonable amount of time. Sure... once they got up, made a turn, and put the nose down... they would build speed. AND... they all landed "Heavy". AND... for the price tag of the high output engines, and fans... never once did I think.... "I need one of them!!"

I didn't care about "Jets" until I got my first turbine. AND... to me... the actual turbine is the draw to this end of the hobby, and not the model.


Personally... I'd be perfectly happy with a turbine on a "Big Stick".


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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 1:47 PM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:47 PM   
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I hear you and I know just what you're talking about. Seen plenty of DF jets barely clear the departure end then be at near-stall until halfway through the flight. I've also seen a Y/A Starfire takeoff from its belly (that one had a BVM .96 and Viofan) and another take off with no wheels on the main struts (that one was OS .91), so they both had PLENTY of power. That was a 200mph jet on a stock DF setup. Now that I think of it, I really miss those days!

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:55 PM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 3:59 PM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 4:27 PM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 5:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty much any Jet airframe model can be converted to any power system. I have a BVM F-16 with a Dyn E max in it. I could have put a turbine (have a Wren 54) or a nitro powered ( have an OS 91) Viofan or Dynamax.

No rules, no limitations when it's play time in the shop.

One of the only draw backs for me on the electrics, is the charge time for large lipo power systems. My 12s 5300s' take 75min to charge

One of the draw backs of the nitro engines for me, is the super high frequency vibration from the 23,000plus rpm of the engine. And the residual oil. But on the nitro, you just fuel and fly.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/2/2012 6:18 PM   
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As for me I think an ICDF at a jet rally would get my pilots choice vote. I would love to see one again.

We have a local field that looks like it is going to ban LiPo and already banned turbines, you could be the only jet guy there!!

BVM Sport Shark with KBV 72!! That would be awesome.



I hope youre not referring to the basin.


No no, although we had a lipo fire last week, it burned the one spot that was not burned by the last turbine fire!!

The field is the Channel Island Condors in Camarillo. Not sure yet if they ended up having to ban LiPos but that was there position a few weeks ago.

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/3/2012 12:24 AM   
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One of the only draw backs for me on the electrics, is the charge time for large lipo power systems. My 12s 5300s' take 75min to charge



Steve


Steve,

You need a better charger or power supply then.... I can charge my 12s 6600mah set of batteries in 20 minutes with my powerlab 8. What are you using to charge your batteries? 75 min is way too long in today's world

I can give you the details of my charging set up if you want.... just let me know

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/3/2012 2:14 AM   
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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/3/2012 2:37 PM   
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In all of my years of flying RC... I never once saw an ICDF that could get off a paved runway in a reasonable amount of time. Sure... once they got up, made a turn, and put the nose down... they would build speed. AND... they all landed ''Heavy''. AND... for the price tag of the high output engines, and fans... never once did I think.... ''I need one of them!!''

I didn't care about ''Jets'' until I got my first turbine. AND... to me... the actual turbine is the draw to this end of the hobby, and not the model.


Personally... I'd be perfectly happy with a turbine on a ''Big Stick''

you never saw one of mine fly.................................

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RE: Nitro ducted fans? Any left out there? - 11/4/2012 12:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that some of you are rite on with the info I was looking for. Some of you however missed the point but that's ok. Pls allow me to clear up a few things. I mean no offense when I say this but as far as sound goes your opinion is not included in my decision making process. I love the sound of a piped 2 stroke screaming for all its worth. I am old school. I don't like the idea of having to take batteries our and charge em every flight or risk my expensive model burning to nothing. I gave the edfs a good hard look and I still want nitro. I just made a deal with a fellow out east for 3 unbuilt kits, 3 fans and 3 engines. Also got a deal pending pickup in Ca for a complete fan/engine setup. I will be building some jets this winter. I will do a build thread if enough are interested. I won't be adding 3 lbs of scale details however as I like planes that perform well over looking super perfect. So no full cockpits no bombs drop tanks etc. If I do retracts they will most likely be straight wire ugly gear when in the down position. I am not sure if I will start with the Regal Eagle or do the Y/A A-4 first. Two very different builds for sure. Getting both in the deal so they should both get built. Unless I find someone who just has to talk me out of one of em lol. It has been known to happen. I still want a yellow F-4 but have been looking at the F-16 pretty closely as well. Looks like I will need to buy a trailer haha.

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