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2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 11:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see that the Chinese have now had the maiden flight of their 2nd stealth fighter, this is smaller than the first with 2 engines and looking a bit like a small F22 or a F35 with 2 engines.



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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 11:37 AM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 3:49 PM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 4:50 PM   
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I just dont get why they copy the OML profile? Its not like stealth is attached to a peculiar shape, it needs to be ''smart inside'' for it to work, and whole bunch of other stuff as well.




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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 4:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		what makes you think it isnt? They have obviously stolen the basic platform of the F22, what makes you think they dont have the other parts of the platform? The only thig lacking on this jet I believe is the ability for supercruise and thrust vectoring.....at least that is the last I have heard

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 5:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course, thrust vectoring and supercruise are two of the major advantages of the F-22 airframe...

Lots of unknowns here - what is the actual RCS, what's the speed, payload, range, how good are the avionics (the most important part)? Oh, and there's the fact that the Chinese can't yet build a working afterburning, tubrofan engine to power it, or any other of their fighters...

Don't forget too that the advantages of stealth as an absolute means-to-an-end are decreasing rapidly as anti-stealth detection technology advances...

I am not at all worried about the quality of the Chinese' military technology advancing to catch ours. However, I am VERY worried about the quality of our military technology stagnating to meet theirs.

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 6:08 PM   
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what makes you think it isnt? They have obviously stolen the basic platform of the F22, what makes you think they dont have the other parts of the platform? The only thig lacking on this jet I believe is the ability for supercruise and thrust vectoring.....at least that is the last I have heard


Because I read, read, and read and it seems the western consensus is that China does not have the capability of producing the software and hardware required to support Stealth Capability. Stealth is not only being invisible to radar, it is also having the ability to communicate, target, and share information with your combat system wihtout becoming a red spot on the enemy's radar. It is here where I'm sure China is 20 years behind. With the help from Russia, maybe knowk it down to 10 years.

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 8:04 PM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 8:16 PM   
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what makes you think it isnt? They have obviously stolen the basic platform of the F22, what makes you think they dont have the other parts of the platform? The only thig lacking on this jet I believe is the ability for supercruise and thrust vectoring.....at least that is the last I have heard


Because I read, read, and read and it seems the western consensus is that China does not have the capability of producing the software and hardware required to support Stealth Capability. Stealth is not only being invisible to radar, it is also having the ability to communicate, target, and share information with your combat system wihtout becoming a red spot on the enemy's radar. It is here where I'm sure China is 20 years behind. With the help from Russia, maybe knowk it down to 10 years.




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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 8:16 PM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 8:18 PM   
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Well, worse case scenario China would not even think threatening the US. They threaten us = we stop paying them = we both go broke, then we can go to war against each other with stones, bow and arrows.
This world we live in is such a clusterF !!




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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/12/2012 8:20 PM   
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we have had problems with china hacking into classified stuff the past few years and taking this type of info. You would be amazed at how often the military is attacked in this manner.
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what makes you think it isnt? They have obviously stolen the basic platform of the F22, what makes you think they dont have the other parts of the platform? The only thig lacking on this jet I believe is the ability for supercruise and thrust vectoring.....at least that is the last I have heard


Because I read, read, and read and it seems the western consensus is that China does not have the capability of producing the software and hardware required to support Stealth Capability. Stealth is not only being invisible to radar, it is also having the ability to communicate, target, and share information with your combat system wihtout becoming a red spot on the enemy's radar. It is here where I'm sure China is 20 years behind. With the help from Russia, maybe knowk it down to 10 years.




I agree but we also missclassify so much BS as "secret". It would take them ages to figure out what the hell they are looking at.
Hey, for all I know, the torque of the retaining bolts on the wheels of a Humvee could be classified, as it deals with Mil hardware. Imagine how much crap like that they must be stealing. Chances of actually obtaining something valuable are very small, unless of course, someone is helping them.

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 12:18 AM   
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The chinese are not what they were 10 or 20 years ago.
With their high exports and cash flow they are expanding their education system as well as living standards.

I have no doubt they can put some of their smartest engineers together or hire some foreigners to develop a stealth plane, a spacecraft or whatever they want. But the chinese way is still to copy and modify what's already out there.

They have their own philosophy of testing their planes, if one crashes and the pilot dies, it's not too big of a deal. the next one is waiting in line.
It's not all over the news there.




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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 12:31 AM   
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Kinda doubt it as for now, after the Chinese received 1/2 the number of SU27s from the Russians they backed out on their deal to complete and started building their own, called J-11. A friend in Beijing told me J-11 is nothing like the SU27, cuz, during high G entire strips of rivets will shoot out like a machine gun. This probably explains the role or their J-11 in this footage is good for.

Well, then again, between the Russians and Chinese, you never know.


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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 12:49 AM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 1:34 AM   
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They asked the pilot
If you were a country and knew 30 F-22 were coming in at you what would you do

He said,,,,,, be very afraid

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 1:57 AM   
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This is a very slick aircraft looking simlar to the F-22 and more so to the J-31.

Whats neat about this plane is the leading edges above the intakes. Kinda like a canard but not really. Watch as they go down during slow flight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y6XxUx6uFhA#!

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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 2:42 AM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 6:31 AM   
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RE: 2nd Chinese Stealth fighter J-31 Ist flight - 11/13/2012 6:43 AM   
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