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T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/15/2012 10:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it possible to use  Tamiya gearboxes in Hobben T55 tank ? 
any sugestions , which Tamiya gearboxes  is the best for this purpose?  
any changes in their construction  are  needed? shafts lenght ? 


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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/15/2012 11:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Are you having issues with the stock boxes? I run them with speed 400s and they're the smoothest tu I have

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/16/2012 10:18 PM   
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 Are you having issues with the stock boxes? I run them with speed 400s and they're the smoothest tu I have


Yes , with stock boxes. What type (Tamiya Tiger , Sherman, Pershing? ...? )  is best and what modifications are needed ?




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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/16/2012 11:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Well in my elefant I use Tamiya transmissions, any will do as you use the hooben output shafts (they are a direct fit into the tam tus) I'll try get some pics when I'm back home.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 2:51 AM   
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 Well in my elefant I use Tamiya transmissions, any will do as you use the hooben output shafts (they are a direct fit into the tam tus) I'll try get some pics when I'm back home.


My gosh please do, I still haven't gotten one of them working and just using tam ones would save so much work



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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 7:39 AM   
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 Well in my elefant I use Tamiya transmissions, any will do as you use the hooben output shafts (they are a direct fit into the tam tus) I'll try get some pics when I'm back home.



Thanks I will be gratefull , what Tamiya transmisions are used in Your Elephant  (from what type of Tamiya tank?)


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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 11:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		 I use Tamiya tiger tus, but removed the output shaft and installed the on off the Hooben tus (the thin one you bolt the final drive shafts onto). Hope that makes sense. Thankfully Hooben copied the final drive gear (the shiney one on Tamiya boxes) so there's no modification needed. I'm at my girlfriends currently but ill get those pics up later today. 

The only change you'll have to make is relocating the holes to bolt the tus onto the chassis. 


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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 12:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tamiya Type 3 TU gears are a drop in swap for the Hooben, if memory serves, including but not limited to the final drive shaft.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 2:01 PM   
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Status: online 		One of my customers had his output shaft break at the E clip notch near the final gear.... I wish they used sleaves like so many others do.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 4:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let me rephrase what I posted earlier. Tamiya PERSHING gears are a drop in for the Hooben T 55 transmissions.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 4:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oooooh now I understand why the pershing has those extra outdrives on it! Looks like theres one less gear within the TU its self. If you put those pershing TUs in you would get a really nice top speed! Just checked standard tamiya Panther tus will fit!

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 4:53 PM   
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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 9:12 PM   
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Hope these help!



Thanks a lot for help and attached photos!!!


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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/17/2012 9:13 PM   
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Let me rephrase what I posted earlier. Tamiya PERSHING gears are a drop in for the Hooben T 55 transmissions.



Thank You very much - have You Tamiya Pershing gears on stock ?- I will get one pair 


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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 3:29 AM   
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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 6:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a problem with the photos. I was experimenting with the T 55 TU's not long after the first kit was delivered and found that interesting tidbit on the gear swap. The reason they work in the Hooben TU is because of the extra gear in the Hooben system to get the proper speed for the tank. Don't know how fast Pershing gears in a stock Tam tank, for instance the Tigers, would be, but it should be pretty fast.

Tamiya stopped making the 'overhaul' kits for the Type 3, but I think it is now back. I don't carry them, but check with Tamiya. If available, the overhaul kits should be on their sight.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 10:55 AM   
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Tamiya stopped making the 'overhaul' kits for the Type 3, but I think it is now back. I don't carry them, but check with Tamiya. If available, the overhaul kits should be on their sight.


 sevoblast  , thanks a lot  for help - yest You are right I have found them in Tamiya.

By the way are Tamiya Sherman gearboxes so fast as the Tiger/King Tiger  ones?

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 11:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gearing, therefore speed, is the same for all the Type 3 transmissions from Tamiya, for instance Tiger 1, KT, Panther, Sherman, and KV all use the same transmission. The differences between those 5 at least is just the length of the final drive shaft.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 3:16 PM   
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Gearing, therefore speed, is the same for all the Type 3 transmissions from Tamiya, for instance Tiger 1, KT, Panther, Sherman, and KV all use the same transmission. The differences between those 5 at least is just the length of the final drive shaft.


 I see  - thanks for explanations 
 I've just examined  my Tamiya Pershing, and  its standard gear is faster (so probably  additional reduction of speed made by external final case gear in Pershing) - so it can be the problem in T55 with too fast gearbox?

And what about "M02 Powerful black long can motor" offered by ETO  - is it significantly slower  than standard type 340 motor?
what is the rpm for 340 and for black motor? or mayby reduction of speed using ZUH19 gear down system is possible? but there is no too much free space  in T55 .





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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 3:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		So wait, is the pershing gear set called an overhaul kit, of a type 3 gearbox or something? I am trying to find it on the tamiya site.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 3:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you need M26 gearboxes, they can be had from eBay fairly inexpensive at Tamiya 1/16 M26 Pershing Gearbox as I bought a few for my T34's.


Sounds like a decent project you have going as I need something too for my HL KV.














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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 4:00 PM   
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If you need M26 gearboxes, they can be had from eBay fairly inexpensive at Tamiya 1/16 M26 Pershing Gearbox as I bought a few for my T34's.

Sounds like a decent project you have going as I need something too for my HL KV.

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Thanks - excately I ve bought one some hours ago under this ebay link,but now  Im thinking about  too big speed of T55 with such gearboxes. 


Im  also thinking about my second tank,  KV-85 upgrade  (Tamiya KV-1 electronics and KV-1 HL lower hull, HL metal sprockets) - looking for not too fast  good quality gearboxes. Previously I was using 5:1 metal gearboxes from rctank.de - they were ideal as for tank speed , but are very noisy and dont working smooth.  Now on rctank.de I have found new 4:1 metal  gearboxes but have no opinion about its quality
http://www.rctank.de/product_info.php?cPath=23_56&products_id=1644

Maybe  Tamiya gearboxes ? - but what type to choose (what shafts?)  and they are probably too fast. 




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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 4:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Martellus, the Tamiya Pershing uses a unique gear system in the transmission frame. This is because in the Pershing there is an external gear reduction right behind the drive sprocket, as in the prototype, therefore the tank itself has proper speed.

The transmission frame for the Pershing is the same Type 3 frame, as in identical, as used in the aforementioned tanks. Only difference is the gears themselves and the location of the final drive shaft. If you've ever wondered why there is an extra set of final drive shaft holes in for instance your King Tiger transmission frame, it's because the Pershing output shaft goes in the higher pair of holes rather than the lower as in all the other tanks using the Type 3.

Piotr, the black motors I have on my sight are just a little slower than the stock electric motors. However, they have very much more torque.

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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 4:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure some others will chime in with some inexpensive ways to slow down your tank...
... such as programing your radio with some throttle limits, in-line resistors and the installation of a flux on your motors too.



I just drive them slow and never really explore the "full throttle" on my radio.














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RE: T55 Hooben and Tamiya gearboxes - 11/18/2012 8:05 PM   
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(...) the black motors I have on my sight are just a little slower than the stock electric motors. However, they have very much more torque.


Robert, Thank You  very much for help.  
Ok I have to make some tests with my T55 and Tamiya Pershing gerarboxes . I'll see if any reductions in speed are needed ....


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