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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 6:19 PM   
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Some toy airplanes make gun noises when the child pushes the button on the fuselage and runs around in circles in the room. Some toy airplanes fly half a world apart and gather intelligence, or act as judge, verdict, and executioner all in one. My toy airplanes have one purpose, to escape the stresses of life. For a short time nothing exist besides throttle, rudder, aileron, and elevator.



Wrong on the second one, if they do a job (gather intel, etc) it is tool...


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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 6:21 PM   
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I get the distinct feeling that those who object to their models, cars, bikes, guns etc. Being called ''toys'' either is lacking in self confidence or takes. Themselves far too seriously.

Jess




Or all of the above. This is no brain surgery people!

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 6:26 PM   
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i say to these type people.......i'll give you 100.00 if you can just start this toy up..........RON



Now that is not fair.... After all you played with that toy hundreds of times, you know how to start it up...:-)

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 6:50 PM   
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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 11:07 PM   
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Of course they're toys. Good Grief.


They are? Hmmm...

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/20/2012 11:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember the movie "Flight of the Phoenix", with Jimmy Stewart? After almost completing the repairs to their re-designed aircraft, they find out that the designer (the German guy, Hardy Kruger) is really a "toy airplane designer". They mutiny and won't continue building it, and the German guy is insulted they called his designs "toys", and he won't help any more. He said "they are model aircraft, not toys"

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 12:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is not directed to anyone in particular, so, please, everyone, read it and understand that I don't want to take any unwarranted action.

With that, I have one "minor" observation, here guys.

This subject comes up from time to time and seems to always draw out the negative from fellow RC pilots. I don't know why that is, but it seems to always follow that pattern.

I've kept watch on this thread from the initial post, as have other moderators. I have kept a cautious eye on the direction this has been going. It goes somewhat negative with both defensive and aggressive comments then turns positive with good comments from some very well respected posters.

I thought, from the beginning that this belonged in 'The Clubhouse' forum, but left it alone. The best way to keep it that way is to remain civil with each other.

So, if you want to keep this going, then, by all means, follow the rules and keep it civil.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 12:29 AM   
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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 12:45 AM   
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Remember the movie ''Flight of the Phoenix'', with Jimmy Stewart? After almost completing the repairs to their re-designed aircraft, they find out that the designer (the German guy, Hardy Kruger) is really a ''toy airplane designer''. They mutiny and won't continue building it, and the German guy is insulted they called his designs ''toys'', and he won't help any more. He said ''they are model aircraft, not toys''


I think it is all about perception and how one defines toys. When I was coming up we would joke about the big boy toys, yet as we grew we realized there was much more to it. One of the earlier posters mention skills involved and maybe that has something to do with it, however it takes skill to play a wii yet it is considered a toy.

I came up with guns and learned how to shoot at a very young age and I to this day do not consider a gun a toy. It just does not click in my brain that way.

In many ways I see the RC as toys. I am more inclined to refer to it as a hobby and not so much as toys in my line of thinking. I always considered toys something we had as kids growing up - like little plastic soldiers and such.

To me a toy guitar and a real guitar are very different things. I view them differently and do not call the professional guitar a toy. The same line of thought could fit RC planes. Must be my old school mentality

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 12:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I guess in the "POPULAR" opinion a hand grenade could be considered a TOY as well , Well atleast until somebody pulls the pin and it goes boom LOL
Sorry but anything that makes as much as 20 plus horsepower and swings a 34" double ended knife at 6500 rpms capable of lopping off a hand or any other offending appendage
and causing serious injury and or death is anything but a toy by anybodies definition.
To me a Toy is something not capable even through extreme misuse of causing grievous property damage, horrific injury and or death.
Those of us who refuse to call our model aircraft toys are anything but insecure but rather lack the complacency to show our aircraft anything but the care and respect due something that is capable of causing such catastrophic consequences if mishandled along with that goes not calling them toys and respecting what they are capable of as such.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 1:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I don't get it. Who cares what other people think as long as they don't try to stop me from doing it? People do all kinds of things that I would say are "silly" or whatever, but I would be willing to be that they wouldn't see it the same way. If someones refers to my hobby as a "toy", I try to enlighten them a little about the amount of money, skill, and dedication it takes to build and fly these elaborate "toy's". But if they don't come around to my way of thinking, who cares. If you think about it, most non-modelers exposure to our hobby is seeing the $29.99 helicopter flying around at a mall kiosk, no wonder they think its a toy? But again, who cares?

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 2:01 AM   
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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 3:26 AM   
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I rock out to my friend.. My Fender is a toy haha!!



Your right, thats why I play a Gibson! (LOL. Just kidding, but I couldn't resist!)

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 4:16 AM   
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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 4:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a hard time with the term "toy" used to describe R/C's as well. While model aircraft are, to me anyway, a "secondary" hobby to R/C hydroplanes, I have to take issue to calling either one a toy. Many people get seriously injured every year by the razor sharp props used on the boats while others have been killed outright by someone hitting them with a boat operated in an unsafe manner. I've personally seen a scale hydroplane go right through an 8-foot Livingston fiberglass rowboat. As far as I'm concerned, anything that can go through between 1/4 to 1/2 inch of fiberglass isn't a toy, it's more of a deadly weapon. Getting back to aircraft, while the shape and skills needed to operate them are different, the hazards are not. Careless operation and complacency remove any aspect of "toy" from these powerful unforgiving machines and, in the wrong hands, they can become a deadly weapon to the unwarry and uneducated.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 4:24 AM   
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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 4:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a hard time with the term "toy" used to describe R/C's as well. While model aircraft are, to me anyway, a "secondary" hobby to R/C hydroplanes, I have to take issue to calling either one a toy. Many people get seriously injured every year by the razor sharp props used on the boats while others have been killed outright by someone hitting them with a boat operated in an unsafe manner. I've personally seen a scale hydroplane go right through an 8-foot Livingston fiberglass rowboat. As far as I'm concerned, anything that can go through between 1/4 to 1/2 inch of fiberglass isn't a toy, it's more of a deadly weapon. Getting back to aircraft, while the shape and skills needed to operate them are different, the hazards are not. Careless operation and complacency remove any aspect of "toy" from these powerful unforgiving machines and, in the wrong hands, they can become a deadly weapon to the unwarry and uneducated.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 5:04 AM   
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 The plane that was designed by a "model aircraft designer" was an aircraft designed bt Paul Mantz and assoc. ......he crashed the plane
and was killed in 1965 during the making of Flight of the Phoenix, I wouldn't want to fly a real plane designed by a toy airplane builder . I love R/C but geeze they are truely just toys.
 Ahhh...........but toys that can BITE . APC props are like little samuri blades

 check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82nN_lqn58



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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 5:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		All of my true friends have toy airplanes also. We fly toys. We talk about flying toys.We build toys. We talk about building toys. We buy toys.We talk about buying toys. We talk about toys we want to buy. We talk about toys we wished we would have bought. We talk about toys that each other have. We crash toys. We talk about toys we have crashed. We talk about toys we almost crashed. We talk about toys that other people crashed. And when it's all said and done they would not understand anyway. There is not enough time in life to try  and convince anyone they are not toys because they are not only toys they are a way of life.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 11:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		However one defines it, what normally makes the difference in my circle is when someone learns to fly. They seem to acquire a totally different view and respect for RC and something I have noticed is after that they no longer refer to them as toys

It is all cool though - toy or not don't matter to me how one describes them. Some might think patriot missles are toys, too. I think today if weather is nice I will go fly my RC toy gas planes

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 11:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I certainly hope political correctness does not creep into our hobby. Hey Luchina.. go fly that toy of yours!! If I wasn't working today, I would also fly my toy... not sure what one, though. I need to maiden my electric toy Corvina one of these days.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 2:27 PM   
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Some might think patriot missles are toys, too.


The main difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.....

Here's a TOY in action.
A dangerous toy, but a toy nonetheless....http://youtu.be/4CKSH8lxQjw
Toys provide recreation.

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 2:51 PM   
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To me a toy guitar and a real guitar are very different things. I view them differently and do not call the professional guitar a toy. The same line of thought could fit RC planes. Must be my old school mentality
I have a couple of moderately nice guitars ... and consider them toys.
Why?
Because to me they are a pleasant pastime, distraction (what were the other words that were mentioned to characterize toys?)

In the hands of a serious musician, they could certainly be considered as tools.

The same line of thought could fit RC planes....


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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 2:53 PM   
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Some might think patriot missles are toys, too.


The main difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.....

Here's a TOY in action.
A dangerous toy, but a toy nonetheless....http://youtu.be/4CKSH8lxQjw
Toys provide recreation.



I would bet that truck uses high-torque servos!!! Pardon me.. that TOY truck!!

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RE: R/C Airplanes are not toys... - 11/21/2012 2:57 PM   
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Some might think patriot missles are toys, too.


The main difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.....

Here's a TOY in action.
A dangerous toy, but a toy nonetheless....http://youtu.be/4CKSH8lxQjw
Toys provide recreation.


The truck on tracks is sweet - roto rooter!

Maybe defining a toy is in the eyes of the one that has ownership of the device and the level of play involved? A sword could be considered a toy until someone chops a head off with it. A little plastic sword is usually considered a toy when children play with them.

One could surmise most anything that is not needed is a toy - space shuttle is an example of something not needed that is big and dangerous yet is still a toy. Not much different between a truck on dozer tracks except for a lot more money, people, metal and wires involved, etc.

When one of the toy RC jets flies through the side of someone's house or damages property, the land owner and the lawyers might have a different definition than a "toy flew into his house and set it on fire." They would probably use, "radio controlled device" as a starting point and then end up with how this jet was nothing short of a missile.

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