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Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 5:29:12 AM   
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Would valves out of adjustment cause a rough idle? I adjusted the valves so that the gauge they give you is resisted but not stuck of pushing on the valve. I haven't run it yet and have been having a "out of balance" idle even though my spinner and prop are both balanced. It hasn't changed with different props or no spinner so I thought Id adjust the valves to give it a try. HAven't be able to run it yet but thought Id check to see if anyone has any insight. Thanks
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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 6:38:44 AM   
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Your fuel may be old? Or at least water bound.

Good luck,

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 6:59:50 AM   
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Actually its a brand new can I just opened. I'm running 15% powermaster and it has run fine for the last gallon and a half or so with it. I've just noticed how bad the motor is shaking cause I've been running my smaller .40 size 2 strokes and havent run this one for about 2 months. It just seems to shake to much. Causing the airplane to shake badly on the wheels and blur the tail feathers cause it shakes so bad.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 7:56:01 AM   
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F16FxR4real:

This is the best and most accurate way I've found to adjust the valves. Use it or not as you please.

With the rocker boxes off, turn the crank in its normal direction of rotation. You will see first the exhaust rocker move, then when it has almost returned to its starting position you will see the inlet rocker start to move. As you turn the crank past this point you will notice a slight difference in its feel, this is where the piston is at top dead center. Note the position of the crank, and turn it exactly one full turn. Now you are at top dead center again, but this time you have it between the compression and power strokes, and this is where you want the crank to adjust the valves.

You can now whip out your feelers and check/adjust if you want, but it may not be needed. If you can feel just a little bit of up and down wiggle when you grab the end of the rocker it's ok. But you wont know what "Just a little" is until you've done it a few times, so try the feeler. If the 0.003" slides in with no resistance it's too loose. Forget the 0.004" feeler. If the 0.003" is a little snug pull it out fast. If you hear a snap you had the valve pushed open - the snap is the valve closing. The springs are not strong at all.

But the snap doesn't mean the adjustment is too tight. If you felt the wiggle before you tried the feeler it's in specification. Leave it alone.

If you didn't hear the snap, or you had no wiggle, it's time to adjust the valve. And, as I said, forget the feeler for adjustment.

Loosen the locknut, and turn the adjuster screw back and forth a bit, be sure it turns freely. Now, starting from a loose position turn the screw in. You will feel it get a little harder to turn at some point, and if you keep turning it you will see the valve moving. Go back and forth with the screw until you can feel the point where the valve starts moving, and set it just to the point where the clearance is zero, but the valve has not moved. Then, without turning the screw at all, tighten the locknut. "But that's no clearance at all!" you say. Wrong. There is enough distortion of the threads from tightening the locknut that you now have about a half thousandth clearance. Wiggle the end of the rocker again, you'll feel the right amount of up and down wiggle.

I have, using a dial gauge, verified this method on several Saito, OS, and Magnum engines. I can't verify Enya 4c engines, I've never had one. But it should work on them as well.

In spite of what you may think, a feeler gauge is a very inaccurate method of valve adjustment, and the more the valve gear wears the less accurate it is. If anyone wants to argue the point I'll be happy to discuss it further. The only really accurate way to get a particular clearance is using a dial gauge. But, as I said to start with, on a model 4c engine any clearance is enough.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 12:43:20 PM   
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Bill is right, the worn rocker arm gets a groove or notch worn in it, then when you use a feeler gauge you end with the thickness of the gauge plus the wear.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 4:33:42 PM   
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Cant you just take the plug off and look at the cylinder to see if it is top dead center? turn the cranck saft till its centered?

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 9/12/2003 5:26:00 PM   
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Yep, that works too and is the way I do it.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/26/2008 8:27:05 PM   
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I have a saito 150 and had some bad fuel and it would not start, but I thought it was the vaules out of adjustment, and start screwing with and then thought the timing was off too and now I do not know how to put everthing back to the factory settings. Can anyone walk me though this? I tried my best to do it and now it won't start at all.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/26/2008 10:09:58 PM   
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elsabella, did you take the cam cover off? If so, you need to get that reset properly before you do anything else. When the piston is at top dead center, the dot on the cam must be straight down.

If you did not take the cam cover off, just reset the valves by following the instructions that William Robinson wrote above. It would be hard to improve on his instructions.



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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/26/2008 10:16:48 PM   
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What prop are you running? If the prop is two big it will shake. Also, are you on the rich side? A rich setting will cause it to shake.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/26/2008 10:49:52 PM   
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Yes the cam cover was lifted. What is the best way to get top dead center? Should I take the plug out then watch to see it come to the top then place the cam back on with the dot down? Then reinstall everything else?

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/27/2008 2:20:45 AM   
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That is correct

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/28/2008 3:55:24 PM   
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Okay, I got the timing right and the valves right. Now it its not sucking fuel like it used too. I get the fuel to go to the carb, then start it keeping the glow starter on. And at a high idle it will run and stay running but will stop if I idle it down and take the glow plug starter off. I can watch the fuel drop right out of the line and go back to the fuel tank. Also seem to not have as much compression as it did before all this happened. It will only shut off when plug is removed. The plug is new and the fuel is new and the carb was rebuilt. Corretly I hope. Any ideas.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/28/2008 6:06:50 PM   
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eb, the fuel drops back like that when one or both needles are set way too rich, the fuel will stay put at low throttle settings when the needles are close to correct.

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RE: Saito 150 valve adjustment and idle - 4/28/2008 6:15:40 PM   
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What is the factory settin for the neddle on the throttle. How many turns in and then out. The manual only tells me the other one. I need the one that has to be set with a