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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 5:49 AM   
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 Thank you for the information DrScoles I will do those modifications just to be on the safe side.
I have got carbon fiber tape about the same width as that as well. 
 
 
Tam those nozzles are a wok of art.  You do such a great Job on your pipes as well.
IM also afraid to ask the price but they defiantly look outstanding.
I send you a PM Tam.
 


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 5:52 AM   
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 DrScoles my Gear doors and cylinders where already installed in the plane.
All I did was check every nut and Installed a little lock tight.
I still have to install all the valves and tanks. 
 


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 6:07 AM   
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Thanks.....yes everyone afraid to ask.
It is labor intense.


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 6:33 AM   
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Hey Ivan,

Looks like its coming along well. Great advice from DrScoles. I had to do the same thing. I managed to get a bit of carbon on the wing leading edges on the fuse just to stiffen it up a bit. Wish I had of seen Tams nozzles before I got the airbrush out. Awesome.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 6:43 AM   
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 Hello Levi,
Thank you for your comments.Its also good to see other peoples ideas and advise. I will defiantly do the reinforcements.
 
Yes the Tam Nozzles are a work of art. 
I must admit you did a very nice Job to your Mig 29. I think it looks great and the weathering Job was superb.
I ended up getting the scale lighting through Peter after seen yours on your Mig. I think all the little extras you put on yours really makes it stand out from the rest.
Hopefully I will see your beast fly again at the Wangaratta  Jets this year. Don’t think my one will be ready as I will be pretty busy but I'm not going to rush.
 


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 9:28 AM   
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 Well I haven't flown my prop planes for a while and after today I think I got a little rusty LOL. .
So as I got home I had the urge for a scotch, and what a way to enjoy it in the shed admiring my planes.
Anyway to cut the story a little short I couldn't help myself to get my hands a little dirty.
This was the end result.  Haven't done the area around the wing yet but will do.


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 10:31 AM   
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Thanks mate. I'll be at Wangaratta so will hopefully c yours in action, if not then Temora. Wish I could give u more advice but obviously yours is much different being a twin and having VT. Looks like you've got it sorted though.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 10:55 AM   
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Damn

I better re-engineer my JL mig and put a pair of 100's or something in her just to keep up with you boys at Wangaratta 

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 6:39 PM   
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 Well I haven't flown my prop planes for a while and after today I think I got a little rusty LOL. .
So as I got home I had the urge for a scotch, and what a way to enjoy it in the shed admiring my planes.
Anyway to cut the story a little short I couldn't help myself to get my hands a little dirty.
This was the end result.  Haven't done the area around the wing yet but will do.



Here is your new pipe. I had done few things special for it to clear the elevator control rod. The challenge is the angle and extension.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 7:12 PM   
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Very nice Tam! If I was trying to make this more scale, I would definitely want your nozzles. I want this more for doing 3D stuff than making it look like the real thing.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 7:17 PM   
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Hey Tam,

Ivan's Mig is twin and that pipe is for a single install. Looks great though. I'm interested in that pipe if it doesn't have a home. Would it suit a P200? My original pipe is holding up well with the 200 but your pipe looks bulletproof. I will send u an email over the next few days.
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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 7:32 PM   
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Levi, He made it for me, supposed to ship today... Tam, if you want to hold onto it a while longer to duplicate it for him, feel free.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 7:33 PM   
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Levi,
The pipe exit FSA is little more small for P-200 to get max thrust performance. But there is no other way around it to made it proper exit size due to tight fuse and angle.
You interested had one made. Please give me a lot time. This pipe is very challenging and I only can schedule to made when the shop are not too busy.


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/10/2013 7:35 PM   
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Levi, He made it for me, supposed to ship today... Tam, if you want to hold onto it a while longer to duplicate it for him, feel free.


Mike,
I had made the drawing and fixer for this pipe. So is alright to made next one.


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/11/2013 3:35 AM   
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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 1/11/2013 5:52 AM   
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Shane,
I cant speak for anyone else but for me I only put the 140's for 3D performance and the vertical take offs.
I cant see the Mig gaining to much extra speed or even be any faster than yours just because I have an extra engine.
Speed does not excite me to much any way. I get more of a rush, and excitement doing 3D and vertical take offs.
In saying all this I would think yours would have no problems in doing what my can do. I also wanted to go twin more of a scale thing than anything else.
As a matter of fact for 3D it’s a little against me as it will be heavier, with the extra engine and gadgets I will be adding to it.
 
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I better re-engineer my JL mig and put a pair of 100's or something in her just to keep up with you boys at Wangaratta 



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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 8:10 AM   
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 Hello everyone,

Just a little up date on my Mig 29. Things have been a little slow but i have been very busy.  I did some enforcement around the leading edge of the wing in the fuse.

 

I have also installed the rudders which i used the JR DS-3401 in the rudders.

The servos which go into the rudders are small so the standard aluminum servo mounts supplied will not fit. I made my own out of 25mm x 25mm x 3mm aluminum angle.  

The rest was as usual with the gluing of the wood blocks then screwing the aluminum servo mount onto the servos and last of all screwing the mounts onto the blocks. I prefer to use hysol to glue in any blocks on my jets.

 

I also mounted the strobe light to the right rudder which was supplied by Intairco and manufactured by Detail for Scale.

The only problem i had with this was that one of the rudder formers was in the way and i had to make my own extra long drill bit to drill a small hole in the former for my wire to go through. This must be dome with extreme caution as you have not got much to play with and there is a risk you could crack the rudder. With a little patience things get done with no damage.

 

Next step was to balance the Elevators.

I do this by sliding the elevator into the plane. I then tape a small sandwich bag to the leading edge and i use lead shot to fill the bag until the rudder is close to level.

I than weigh this up, drill a small hole in the side of the elevator, mix up some 30 min epoxy which i weigh. I than adjust the weight of the lead shot to the epoxy i have mixed poor some epoxy into an injection needle and inject it into the leading edge of the elevator. I than poor the leads shot in with the rest of the epoxy and leave it standing with the leading edge facing down overnight. By using lead shot number 4 i am able to have the weight as far as possible inside the leading edge which reduces the amount of weight needed.

 

The Elevator servo used was the Hitec HS-7980 which will give you 36kg on 6 volt or 44 kg on 7.4 volt.

The servo housing in the fuselage has to be enlarged a little to fit this large servo in but its not a big deal.

However after trial fitting a few things i found out that the bottom of the elevator horn was going to hit my tail pipe very badly.  This was not good news but could be fixed.

My first thought was to get a set of smaller pipes fitted but due to the size of the engines I did not want to go smaller in diameter so this is what I did.

The inner tube in the fuselage where the elevator slides in i was able to file 5mm of that which would bring the horn 5mm closer to the inside of the fuselage. I than had to mill an extra 5mm on the elevator shaft. The elevator shaft has a groove or a flat spot on the round aluminum shaft for the horn housing to fit onto. Since this was milled an extra 5mm I was than able to cut an extra 5mm of the shaft.

The horn housing is basically a block with a plate underneath which is screwed by four machine screws. I had to file one corner of the block but still needed four screws to hold the plate, so I was able to drill and tap another M3 tread in between the two screws so now I have 2 screws at one end of the plate closer together. This gave me the opportunity,

To file one corner of the block to give me the space I needed. Unfortunately after all this it was still not enough as it was still hitting the pipe a little. Being a dual wall pipe I decided to cut the outer wall of the pipe a little to make room for the horn housing to move without hitting anything. Some mite says that this defeats the whole purpose of a dual wall pipe but I did not have much more of an option. My maintenance is very high with all my jets and I do check thing very often including the tail pipes with my inspection camera so this is one thing i will keep an I on. I also only have a single wall thrust vector pipe on my Rookie which to date still looks like new and has not looked worn.

 

Once all that was done the next bit of the project was to install the four servos for the thrust vector. These will be Hitec  HS-7955 which put out 24kg on 6 volt.

This once again was a simple process which involved Hysoling some wooden blocks than screwing the supplied aluminum servo mount onto the servos and blocks.

 

I than moved onto the nozzles but before i install them I wanted to weather them a little. They looked to new for my liking and also they needed some heat protection. I coated the inside of the nozzles with BVM heat shield and once dried I sprayed the inside of them black with  Dubli-color High heat with ceramic paint. This can be bought in a spray can and is usually used to spray engine blocks with.

 

To weather the outside nozzle I first dabbed on the original painted nozzles some Flat blue. Once dried I dabbed on Blue violet waited till it was dried than dabbed on Gun metal and once this was dried I finally dabbed on Titanium silver. All the dabbing was done with a cloth rag. Only after it was all dry perfectly i than used a mixture of wet and dry 1200 sand paper and a rag with a little thinners to work the nozzle to get the effect i was happy with.

Once this was achieved I mixed up some oil paints in Black, brown, blue, red, and white until i got the color I was happy with and applied it with a rag. This requires a little trial and error as you have to apply it thick in some places and not so thick in other places until you get the effect you are after. Once I was happy with the finished result I left it to dry for a week as oil paint seem to take forever to dry.

 

The installation of the thrust vector was very straight forward.

The only thing I changed was the carbon fiber tubes which slide onto the pushrods. The once Skymaster supplied i found them to big and where catching on the thrust vector. I also prefer a tighter fit. So for the four rods which where required for the push rods I supplied my own. I also installed aluminum ball links on the servo ends.

 

Once all this was installed I made up my small board out of carbon fiber look alike.

This was to house my filler valves and gauges for the gear doors and brakes. It will also house the two Jetcat GSU and Jetcat charge jacks.

 

Next will be the installation of the tail pipes, and engines but until than Happy flying.

I will post some picks for you all to look at.

  

 

 



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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 8:26 AM   
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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 8:31 AM   
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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 8:42 AM   
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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 9:15 AM   
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Ivan.

Your build looks great.
Tailpipes look great too.
Can you pls explain how you got it to look like that, what steps you used to get the end result.
And what the brand of paints and the color names of the paints.

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 10:11 AM   
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 HI Mario,
Thank you I'm glad you are enjoying it.
The Flat blue, Gun metal, Titanium silver are all Tamiya color Acrylic paints.
The Blue Violet I used the Tamiya spray can in PS-35. I could not find this paint in the little Acrylic jars so I bought it in a spray can instead.
The way I used it was I sprayed it onto a plate as I needed it to get the liquid paint out of it then I dabbed it with a rag and applied it on the nozzles.
The above paint are available from Central RC down are way.
 
The oil paints are available of Ebay and the brand is CE.  For what I needed any type of oil paint would be sufficient. I bought a pack of 18 color tubes being 12ml each.
This will give you a good variety to mix different colors you desire.
 
If you read the tread above it gives you an explanation of the order I applied them on.
 
The important thing to remember is that you must wait until the paint is dry before you put on the next color.
I used a rag to dab the paint on to the nozzle. My end result was  to try and have a well look of a used nozzle with heat spots through it.
I had a few close photos of a real Mig 29 OVT nozzles and I did my best to copy the look which I think turned out well.
You don’t have to cover the entire nozzle with each Acrylic paint as you can see from some of the photos.
When I was finished with applying the acrylic paint I than used the wet and dry sand paper to carefully sand parts of it to bring out the colors underneath.
This was done with a mixture of using the Wet and dry sand paper and I must state it was wet. I also used a little thinners on a rag ad dab parts of the nozzle the bring out the different colors underneath.
 
Once I had the effect I wanted I wanted to make it darker in places particular attention is the ends of nozzles and in the grooves of the nozzles.
I first made up the paint using the Oil colors motioned in the above rite up. I cant tell you the exact mixture as I don’t now. All I did is mixed the oil paint until I was happy with the color. All I was basically doing is looking at the photos and adding a little bit of this and that until I was happy. Like I said all the colors used I have mentioned them.  I actually went a little to dark at one stage so I added a little more white to make the color lighter. I'm no expert all I was doing is a little trial and error.
 
I first used a brush to paint inside all the groves of the nozzles. When I was finished I just crabbed a rag and wiped all the excess off. The good thing with oil colors is that you can wipe them off. It will not come completely off but if you wipe it enough times it will just leave the slightest color mark on the nozzle. By doing this you can achieve the nozzle being darker at one end and lighter on the other.
After the groves where done I went along and with a rag and my fingers I dabbed the rest of the nozzles where needed. The thing to look out for is not to leave lines in the paint for where you wipe it. This is where your fingers come into action in smudging the paint in a circular motion with your fingers.  It takes a lot of time and patience but I was happy with the end result. Once I was finished its just a matter of leaving the nozzles in a safe place to dry for at least 4-5 days. Don’t be impatient because if you don’t wait for the oil paint to dry 100% it will smudge the next time you go and handle it.
The nozzle holder was just weathered using the oil paint only using  the same technique.
I hope I have explained it so you can understand as I'm not the best person to try and explain things.
As you now Mario I'm always happy to try and help out if I can so if you need and more info feel free to ask, and you also have my number if you want to ring me.
Look forward in catching up at the Wang Jet Meet. 
 


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 10:20 AM   
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 I must also state I also have the original colors which where used when the plane was painted at Skymaster which I will use when finished to touch up around all the horns and where I had to enlarge the servo covers for the pushrods. This will just finish it off  a little better. I have also decided to paint the rear inside gear doors to make it look like the larger scale Mig. A little extra work but I'm sure it will pay off.
You can also see the I made GSU flush with my panel. I think this makes a better looking installation which I must state I copied from DR Scoles.   


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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 4:07 PM   
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Nice update Ivan. I like the nozzles. I had the same issue with the pipe hitting the elevator, I assumed this wouldn't be the case with a straight pipe set up. A FW-190 and another jet got in front of my Mig. I am also waiting for the new pipe to get back from Tam, I gave up on the skymaster one.

Do you know how much lead it took to balance your elevators?

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RE: Skymaster Mig-29 OVT twin turbine build - 3/11/2013 11:40 PM   
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 There is 175 grams in each elevator leading edge.
I felt sick to use this much weight but with a large elevator I did not want to leave it unbalanced.
Looking forword to seeing more updates on your Mig, DR Scoles


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