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Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/28/2012 8:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick background, i had a walkera dragonfly many years ago (the reason i originally joined RCUnivers) that i could never fly. I tried with the training gear and still crashed. Learned how to rebuild (maybe correctly) the heli.  Totally frustrated i got rid of it and didn't look back - till now.  I have read that the Walkera was not a good first helicopter and i should have had some instruction. I would prefer to avoid having to join the AMA and a club to find an instructor just to fly. Many many years ago i flew powered gliders (last one was Ace High Mk II) so i have thought about planes. It is just about the space. We have 10 grandkids and my weekends seem to have a lot of expectations on my time.

I really do want to be able to fly a RC heli. I will never be an advanced/3D pilot i'm sure, I don't even expect to go into big size heli's. I'm looking to fly in the house and maybe around the outside so i want to do more than just go up and down over and over. I think it could be fun to fly for the grandkids. A friend on another forum (firearms related) suggested the E-Flite Blade mcx2 but i've been reading a lot of messages saying to stay away from any coax heli's. I'm not expecting to end up with a large hangar (2 - 4 small helis maybe in the long run) since i do have other uses for the bulk of my money so any help would be appreciated.

With all that said, i will get the coax if that is the only reasonable way to learn to fly by myself. But if that experience doesn't transfer to non-coax flight i'd rather go another route. If the club route is the only way to go, there are a couple in the area. Sorry if this doesn't make a lot of sense.


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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/28/2012 8:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Blade CX2 or the Scout are good beginner coaxial helicopters. If you have no RC experience, then a co-axial is the most stable platform for gaining muscle memory and learning how to fly back towards yourself. If you couldn't fly the dragon fly , then I would suggest starting with the CX2. If you do have some RC skill, then you might try the Blade SR. I have a friend who has that bird and I have flown it several times, it is a good next step from a co-axial. I stay away from anything other than Horizon Hobby products just for the customer service and parts availability. Go to Hobbyzone.com to see the Horizon product line.

However, you mentioned wanting to do this with grandkids. In my opinion, fixed wing foamies like the Hobbyzone Super Cub are a lot safer than helicopters when dealing with kids. I teach kids to fly planes as part of a ministry, and even though I fly helicopters myself, I have stayed away from trying to teach kids to fly helicopters due to the potential safety concerns.   

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/28/2012 8:43 PM   
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 i had a walkera dragonfly got rid of it and didn't look back -  Walkera "is" was not a good first helicopter and i should have had some instruction. ..... join the AMA and a club.....

I really do want to be able to fly a RC heli. 

ok...i cut your quote down a bit.....
1. co-axials can be fun i have several.....but for the most part they are 3 channel only manind forward, backward, turn right, turn left, up and no power down.......
2. fixed pitch (FP) has only two rotors but also a flybar to balance the rotor blades. some of the flybars are at 90 or 45 degrees to the main rotors. many fp helis are 4 channel wich include the prior three directions plus adding the right and left lateral moves meaning the heli is facing forewars and moves either right or left in a lateral motion without changing the nose direction.
3. the AMA is a good club and necessary to fly at most outdoor fields and some indoor flying, but to meet your needs flying in the house and in the back yard membership is not necessary, although they have cool magazines with lots of information
4. what to buy.......or better yet how..... much do you really want to get into this hobby....meaning do you want a toy scale or hobby scale.......in the short run the toy scale fp is cheaper and almost disposable in price range online between $45 - $50 + shipping and add 25% in you go into your local hobby store.

my take, i started out in high school with a line teather cox gas P51 D
but the Mrs picke me up a mall 2 ch micro for Christmas in 2006 
i have gone through 4 walkera helis with minimal flying time, i consider those helis toy hobby scale as the components are cheaply made with a radio that can control multiple helis but parts are on line unless you live in orange county CA
Blade is a hobby scale as the quality is better so its more expensive but more hobby stores carry parts and having both the blade is still on the shelf.....

there are several inexpensive "toy" sorta hobby scale micro helis that work well indoors and outdoors in little or no wind here they are from rcfever you can shop around and compare prices:

A. WL V-911 http://www.rc-fever.com/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=WL%20V%20911
B. GW 9958 http://www.rc-fever.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=13418&language=us&currency=USD&gclid=CI-el_HA8rMCFYN_QgodngcAUQ
C. NE SP 260 http://www.rc-fever.com/rc-helicopters/by-brand-1/nine-eagles-1/24ghz-4ch-rtf-kit-1/nine-eagles-260a-soar-4ch-rc-helicopter-rtf-24ghz-yellow-w-gyro.html

now these guys are hobby scale

D. E-Flite Blade mSR http://www.redrockethobbies.com/E-Flite-Blade-mSR-Helicopter-RTF-p/eflh3000.htm
E. Align TRex 100x http://www.helipal.com/trex-100x-super-combo.html?gclid=CP_lstnC8rMCFSXZQgodGiAAzw

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/28/2012 8:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh sorry, I wasn't talking about teaching them to fly YET. The ones i see most often are still really young. I would do foamies (i'll look them up) if they don't take much space to fly in.

OOPs, i had meant to cover cost. To start i'm hoping to stay $150 or less.



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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 2:09 PM   
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Helis certainly do have quite the learning curve.  IMO, they are the hardest RC model to learn to fly...especially if you are going it alone.

I taught myself by using a SIM and put in at least 100 hours.  I then bought several different CP helis...450, 500 and 600 and never really got my nerve up to do much more than hover them.  It wasnt until i purchased a Blade mCPX that i was confident to take my SIM skills and put them to real use.

My skillset grew by leaps and bounds after that.

So, in short, I suggest a decent SIM (I use Clear View and it taught me to fly) and either a Blade Nano CPX or mCPX.  

I doubt that going my route will keep you at your budget.  Id expect you to be in for around 200 bucks or so, but WELL worth the investment if you are truely wanting to learn to fly RC helicopters. 



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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 6:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		What sim do most use. Real Flight is pretty expensive for the full version but i guess it has better options. I don't suppose people sell them used very often either.


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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 7:05 PM   
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I know you probably already looked here but just in case...a couple of choices right here on this site.

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 7:14 PM   
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What sim do most use. Real Flight is pretty expensive for the full version but i guess it has better options. I don't suppose people sell them used very often either.



I cant say that "most" people use Clear View...but I do.  And, it has helped me tremendously!  I can honestly say that it single handedly taught me to fly CP helicopters.

I was already in a club and had been put on a buddy box twice for airplanes before I solo'd just 3 short years ago.  I still sometimes have a senior member of my club maiden new planes of the larger variety for me, but I maiden all of my helis because Im the only heli pilot in the club.

While Clear View certainly isnt the best SIM out there...it does serve a purpose for people brand new to the hobby like I was 3 years ago.  I, personally dont think it represents very well how to learn to 3D airplanes, or helicopters for that matter.  What it does do well is teach you orientation and gets your muscle memory up to task so you can have success with the real thing.  Plus, the graphics rendering is pretty darn good for a 40 dollar cost.

If you are skeptical about how good or bad it is...the developer of Clear View now has a free version.  In the free version you only get 1 airplane (looks like the Apprentice 15e) and 1 flying site.  But, its enough to let you know if you would like the SIM or not.  you can even purchase sites, planes, helis, etc and add on.  But really...its best to just spend the 40 bucks and get the full version. 

Its the best 40 dollars Ive spent in the hobby and now that I am past the "n00b" stage of the hobby...I may go with a better SIM to learn/practice 3D manuvers with.  And since I like the idea of flying 3D with helis more than planes...I'll probably go with Phoenix, as I hear the physics for helis cant be beat on that one.

Short story of this..."if you are brand new, get Clear View."  "If you are already flying and want a better SIM to help you learn manuevers, get Phoenix or Real Flight"

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 9:26 PM   
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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 9:29 PM   
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With all that said, i will get the coax if that is the only reasonable way to learn to fly by myself. But if that experience doesn't transfer to non-coax flight i'd rather go another route.



Unfortunately no skills transfer to collective pitch helicopters except the absolute basics of orientation that you can pick up with any rc vehicle. As others are saying, sim is the absolute best way to go if you want to learn to fly a proper rc heli eventually. You won't need any instructor or dual time as long as long as you have a simulator and patience. I personally vouch for Real Flight, having used it an Phoenix a fair amount. Phoenix is a fine sim I just find that RF feels a little bit more realistic personally, the differences are really pretty negligible.

If you're looking for something just to fly about the house however, a coax or fixed pitch will be the best way to go. Collective pitch helis are only any fun indoors if you're an extremely capable pilot that can stay 100% on top of the thing at all times, otherwise it's just going to be a very scary experience more or less limited to hovering. An easy to fly micro can be fun indoors if you give yourself some sort of course to navigate or precision task to accomplish.



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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/29/2012 10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, it does sound like i'll start out with  a sim or just do the mcx2. 

The biggest difference i'm seeing between the Real Flight and the Clearview sims is the "transmitter" being included in the RF. since i don't have any gear right now it sounds like I can't even make use of the Clear View.  Does anyone know if the Spektrum type  transmitters that go with the Micro Heli's like the mcx can be plugged into the pc for Clear View use?


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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 11/30/2012 11:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a mcx2 and love it. I also have a msr that is really nice also. The mcx2 is very stable my 10 year old daughter flies it mostly. The msr takes a little getting use to. it is wicked fast. it gets kind of hairy, but still a fun heli, and you can push a button and put it in trainer mode and it slows the heli down quit a bit. In my opinion the mcx2 is a GREAT 1st heli,very controllable. The msr will keep you on your toes. If you are going to be inside mostly the mcx2 is your best bet.

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 12/1/2012 2:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now to bite the bullet and just get it.  I'll have to see if/when i can get to a hobby shop.


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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 12/3/2012 2:07 PM   
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Ok, it does sound like i'll start out with  a sim or just do the mcx2. 

The biggest difference i'm seeing between the Real Flight and the Clearview sims is the "transmitter" being included in the RF. since i don't have any gear right now it sounds like I can't even make use of the Clear View.  Does anyone know if the Spektrum type  transmitters that go with the Micro Heli's like the mcx can be plugged into the pc for Clear View use?




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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 12/3/2012 2:11 PM   
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Ok, it does sound like i'll start out with  a sim or just do the mcx2. 

The biggest difference i'm seeing between the Real Flight and the Clearview sims is the "transmitter" being included in the RF. since i don't have any gear right now it sounds like I can't even make use of the Clear View.  Does anyone know if the Spektrum type  transmitters that go with the Micro Heli's like the mcx can be plugged into the pc for Clear View use?



If you have a MS joystick for your computer...you could use that.  But, there are cheap "SIM" controllers that can be bought just about anywhere online for about 20 bucks.  Or if you already have a controller with a trainer port...you can buy a SIM cable for the controller brand that you have (this is what I have done...a GWS SIM cable and a DX4e that came with my mCPX).

If you have to buy the SIM plus a cheap controller...you will have close to 60 bucks in the SIM, but still is a deal for what it can give you.

Here is a link to a controller like Im talking about.  You may be able to find it cheaper if you google well...

http://www.hobbypartz.com/60p-dyu-1002.html

Most of these controllers come with FMS SIM.  Trust me, dont even waste your time installing FMS.  Even though its free...its not a good training tool IMO...but it can be a little fun to play araound with if you are wanting to forgo going with Clear View and are saving up pennies to buy Phoenix or Real Flight.

Clear View isnt the end all/be all of SIMs.  Its just a really good SIM for the money.  And I can honestly say that without it, I wouldnt be flying CP helis today.

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RE: Re-beginner for heli.... BOUGHT IT, MCX2 - 12/3/2012 11:15 PM   
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