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New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/28/2012 11:56 PM   
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Today I received a Sherman from our sponsor HobbyLink Japan for a project I'm building with VVSS suspension.

What is amazing is the new lights system, using optic fibre instead the good small and realistic lamps.
I tested it and it's absolutely ridiculous, in first place the optic fibre is thick and very notorious when you build the model, as I make true models instead toys, besides the light is really unrealistic, -10 for Tamiya.... with the price this old tanks have!!!!. The complementary intructions cover all the tanks, so forget about the nice lamps.

By the way, soon I will post here, but now in advance, I'm selling all the HVSS suspension, I mean all the parts, including hardware...etc, LESS the idler wheels as I will use the support for the VVSS, so if anybody interested make me an offer, includes metal parts, hardware, plastic and rubber, sprockets...etc.

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 1:20 PM   
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Mario, completely agree with lights on tanks. Outside of tail/brake lights, unless you install a switch to cut them on/off, headlamps are the most unrealistic part of RC tanks. Unless you are operating a tank in areas area far outside of the combat zone or in a safe area convoy, headlamps are rarely used. It looks so Mickey Mouse to see tanks enganged in "battles" with headlamps on. Can't understand why everyone is so up tight about having the lights on when they spend so much time making the tank realistic.

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 1:53 PM   
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 that's your opinion mcovalsk, my sherman lights from tamiya are up to scale with little leds ... am don't know how yours got on optic fibre ... silly ... the optic wire is for the machinegun on the bow 

read your plan before start to complain build it like it should, the sherman is one of their best kits , no upgrades necesary 

headlights with optic fibre o my god , is this an alien sherman  

i don't use mine either only in dark it goes on why not you can easily shut it off on your transmitter , its also on the plan

i have three of them so i can tell ... 


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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 2:17 PM   
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The only tank I know using optic fibre would be the Leopard 2A6. For the other tanks, Tamiya does use useless incandescent grain of wheat bulbs that blow out really quickly but it seems realistic enough to me. Tamiya does make it switchable if people don't feel its realistic. If you don't like it don't turn it on?

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 2:52 PM   
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Oh karel47 sorry!!!
I don't read my plan, you are right I never read my plans since 50 years ago I'm building models sorry.
Please sorry is my first Sherman.... besides the 6 I built including the 1st and 2nd edition.

LOL LOL LOL

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 2:53 PM   
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Ok no12skyline forget all the speach about Tamiya, and the nice old bulbs lamps. You will not find them anymore.
The instructions I have upload also includes all the models, Pershing Kv-1....etc

What happens is that I received the last issue. Tamiya are changing all the light in all their tanks.

I forgot to say the optic fibre is very thick

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:03 PM   
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Oh, wow, it is true, they've snuck this one up on us quietly! I hope they've used LED bulbs that approximate the color of incandescent bulbs and not white LED ones - just like the Heng Long ones!

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:08 PM   
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Just are transparent yellow so the light will be like the machine gun, also doens't change with the start like in the real tank star

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:13 PM   
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 that's your opinion mcovalsk,
headlights with optic fibre o my god , is this an alien sherman  i have three of them so i can tell ... 


I think you could be an alien that don't receive the information we humans give as you are very evolved people.... are you??????? LOL LOL

You made my day still I’m laughing LOL LOL



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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:19 PM   
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Oh karel47 sorry!!!
I don't read my plan, you are right I never read my plans since 50 years ago I'm building models sorry.
Please sorry is my first Sherman.... besides the 6 I built including the 1st and 2nd edition.

LOL LOL LOL



what wrong with that, that aren't diode's but light bulps or little leds , what's the problem with the lights i don't see them ... it works fine on mine 3

no need to sorry but that negative sugestion aren't good for the new ones here too

yeah i've build 18 tamiya's yet but its not a game its for pleasure ,i saw the plan are these the lights, wich kit is that never seen that 



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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:25 PM   
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that's awfull all the tanks now ????????????????????????????????????

 i go check my box of the panzer 4 i bought it a year ago wonna know, sorry  mcovalsk  forgive my boltness was missing some points of you

last years sherman i got was the same as my older one thank god , am pleased i didn't receive the modern ones

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 3:58 PM   
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What's the first thing you want to see when you walk up to a REAL TANK? The lights? Nope...


I toss that crap away in the trash when I build a new kit or transforming an RTR into a REAL RUNNER.



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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 4:43 PM   
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Real men don't have lights on their tanks!

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Hi Jeff
In contrary I think that what makes the difference among men and boys is the working lights LOL LOL LOL LOL

Jokes aside I was surprised Tamiya spent all the effort just to replace those small lamps, I would spend money and time making the recoil for the M4 105.
Also note that the MF was modified as well and they are using an aux connector never used before, I don't test yet but what I remember that connector only provided 5V.

The point is not the lights but spending money, I would remove them definitively and use the money for something useful, then if you like lights could be easily place them. You can get 50 bulbs for $10 from China

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 4:47 PM   
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that's awfull all the tanks now ????????????????????????????????????

 i go check my box of the panzer 4 i bought it a year ago wonna know, sorry  mcovalsk  forgive my boltness was missing some points of you

last years sherman i got was the same as my older one thank god , am pleased i didn't receive the modern ones



No worries I took with humor ( my acid sense of humor but humor) :-)

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 5:00 PM   
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What's the first thing you want to see when you walk up to a REAL TANK? The lights? Nope...

I toss that crap away in the trash when I build a new kit or transforming an RTR into a REAL RUNNER.

Real men don't have lights on their tanks!

JAT

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OK, so we get it, you seem to have a real pent up hostility towards tank lights ... go figure.

Do you know any real men Jeff? 

Now I know you weren't trying to be disrespectful in any way, & just trying to be your usual funny self, but I would never want to imply, even in a jokingly manner, that any tank commander is anything but a real man, & Colonel James Herbert "Jimmie" Leach (then a Captain at the time in WW II, may he rest in peace) used lights in his own tank according to what he told of his own experiences during WW II !!!  (Tanker Jimmie Leach)
After nine hours on the road it is now dark and even the Company scribe does not know where he is.  The Journal reveals, 1925, Liaxy, then, 2330 the "Head of column reaches Meix-Le-Tige, Belgium."

By the end point in Belgium at 2330 the Battalion had gone more than 120 miles, day and night,  over ice and snow.  "Now we went along with headlights on because we were way behind the line. And the only stoppage we made were stops to refuel."


 
Thank goodness he had those lights & could move his tank at much faster speeds at night when he could do it! See Jeff, real men do use tank lights

Hey, anyone can do what ever they want with the lights, set them up to be working, leave them non-working, that's what makes this hobby fun. So even though pattoncommander is obviously right about the circumstances where tanks were most likely going to use their lights, if at all, behind enemy lines & in reasonable safe zones, the tanks certainly should still have working headlights if you want your tank to be the most realistic in my opinion, as it's part of the functionality of real tanks that had those lights. No one said you have to turn them on if you don't want to turn them on.
 


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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 5:30 PM   
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What's the first thing you want to see when you walk up to a REAL TANK? The lights? Nope...

I toss that crap away in the trash when I build a new kit or transforming an RTR into a REAL RUNNER.

Real men don't have lights on their tanks!

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OK, so we get it, you seem to have a real pent up hostility towards tank lights ... go figure.

Do you know any real men Jeff? 

Now I know you weren't trying to be disrespectful in any way, & just trying to be your usual funny self, but I would never want to imply, even in a jokingly manner, that any tank commander is anything but a real man, & Colonel James Herbert ''Jimmie'' Leach (then a Captain at the time in WW II, may he rest in peace) used lights in his own tank according to what he told of his own experiences during WW II !!!  (Tanker Jimmie Leach)
After nine hours on the road it is now dark and even the Company scribe does not know where he is.  The Journal reveals, 1925, Liaxy, then, 2330 the ''Head of column reaches Meix-Le-Tige, Belgium.''

By the end point in Belgium at 2330 the Battalion had gone more than 120 miles, day and night,  over ice and snow.  ''Now we went along with headlights on because we were way behind the line. And the only stoppage we made were stops to refuel.''


 
Thank goodness he had those lights & could move his tank at much faster speeds at night when he could do it! See Jeff, real men do use tank lights

Hey, anyone can do what ever they want with the lights, set them up to be working, leave them non-working, that's what makes this hobby fun. So even though pattoncommander is obviously right about the circumstances where tanks were most likely going to use their lights, if at all, behind enemy lines & in reasonable safe zones, the tanks certainly should still have working headlights if you want your tank to be the most realistic in my opinion, as it's part of the functionality of real tanks that had those lights. No one said you have to turn them on if you don't want to turn them on.
 






Yep, why me of course.




Blah, blah, blah... I still toss 'em in the trash. Everyone has an opinion... like AH's!


My first Sherman had lights... and then I ripped them out because when they came on it looked like a little boyz toy.


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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 6:27 PM   
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Blah, blah, blah... I still toss 'em in the trash. Everyone has an opinion... like AH's!

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Blah, blah, blah ... yeah, & of course everyone else's stinks but your own, I think we get it ... 



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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 6:59 PM   
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Having clarified use of lights in a combat zone, There have been situations where they have, indeed, been used to great effect.

In Oct 1973, during the Yom Kippur War, Col Kahalini's unit was fighting with Centurions which did not have IR as the modified Syrian tanks did....Syrian T-54's and T-62s drove into the Israeli lines and no one knew the enemy from friendly tanks, at times, only a few yards apart... Col Kahalini got on the radio and ordered everyone to turn on thier headlamps..and to fire on any tank without lights....every tank with no lights on was destroyed and battle was won. A similar tactic was done (according to Military Channel) in Iraq during Op Desert Storm.

Nice to have lights which have a safety switch to prevent accidental use but can be turned on at any time. Same can be applied to RC tanks.

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 7:05 PM   
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The lights on Tamiya tanks do not come on automatically, they must be turned on much like operating the other features as well.














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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 8:21 PM   
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I love this forum!!!!
I knew I knew when I posted the light matter, we would go into the 3rd WW LOL LOL

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 8:41 PM   
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To be it's that's only due to the usual suspects!

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 8:45 PM   
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I love this forum!!!!
I knew I knew when I posted the light matter, we would go into the 3rd WW LOL LOL

See now, this is the kind of skewed journalistic sensationalism typically used by the media, hoping to antagonize, prod, & provoke the current combatants even more, proclaiming mountains where there are barely mole hills ... haha, 3rd WW ... not even considered a conflict yet by RCU standards!  

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 8:47 PM   
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AND the usual supporting cast too.

Remember Tom, opinions vary. That's what makes this forum so unique. Having been around for only 2 years does not make one an expert!














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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 8:59 PM   
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Wait 'til they get to the Rally and driving lights

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RE: New light for Tamiya tanks...oh Tamiya :-( - 11/29/2012 9:46 PM   
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AND the usual supporting cast too.

Remember Tom, opinions vary. That's what makes this forum so unique. Having been around for only 2 years does not make one an expert!



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