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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/1/2012 2:44 PM   
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The Alpha 450 is the Alpha 40 on electric. I will be working with a new student today that has learned to fly 3 channel park flyers, he says pretty good. But when he went to a Parkzone P-47, he just crashed and realized that he needed help. Since he likes electric, I'm going to point him towards the Apprentice 15e or Alpha 450. The Sensei may be good, I just dont have any direct experience with it. I always tell the newbies to contact an instructor first. It keeps you from wasting money.
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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/3/2012 8:32 PM   
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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/4/2012 1:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Apprentice is a great little electric trainer. I have 5 students using it right now it's a good size, can fly slow or you can set it up tighter and have some fun with it. It's even a nice plane to have around later to just bore holes with.

The Sensei was OK but I prefer the Apprentice and I'm more fuel then electric. As a trainer I didn't like the Switch at all, I thought it would be a neat plane if you knew how to fly fairly well. ENJOY !!! RED

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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/4/2012 3:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Apprentice is a great little plane, It was my first large trainer. I learned to fly on a micro T-28.  I maidened and solo'd on the Apprentice, and smacked it into a tree, a barn, a fence, and a few other things, and only needed minor repairs. In fact I cracked the fuse in half on a ground loop. Some gorilla glue, and tape and good as new.

One drawback, it doesn't like wind. Anything over 10 MPH, forgetaboutit.    Now SIG has some really good planes, the Kadet LT planes are fun, I have an LT40, and that plane is my go to plane, I just love to fly it. Very maneuverable, setup as a tail dragger, very strong wing, can take a beating and easy to repair.

If you want to go low wing, SIG also have the Four Star series. For electric, there is the 4*20, small, fun, floater, and with dual rates can be docile or wild, yet still land slowly.

If you need a small plane, either the Apprentice, Sig LT-25, or SIG 4*20 are great 4 channel planes.


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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/4/2012 7:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it daunting when flying your first 4 channel, and does it make a difference when flying a micro 4 channel?

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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/4/2012 10:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to disagree with ACdii , I fly my students in a lot of wind and if they don't want to learn in the wind~~ find another instructor .. It's amazing how much you can learn flying in the wind and if you are afraid of the wind ~~ in most states you won't fly much . You just have to be smart and pay attention to the wind and what it does. Sort of like sailing .

Sometime at the field ( or anywhere ) spend some time just watching the wind . See when it changes it's up's and downs, it's direction, how long between gust / breezes and if you can the difference in a little altitude . You don't need a plane to marval with the wind.

I agree that there can be too much wind but don't let it stop you from having fun flying . I test flew a complete crash repair in about 15 mph winds today (with a glow plane ) and had no problems, in fact it was fun. ENJOY !!! RED

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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/5/2012 2:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		If YOU can fly an Apprentice, which weighs no more than 3 pounds, in strong wind, go for it!  If you can even get it back to the runway, thats great. but frankly, I wouldnt fly it in winds that can push it backwards under full throttle.   I do fly my other planes in 15 MPH winds though, but never the Apprentice, its way too light for winds over 10 MPH.  Heck even the Eflite T-34 is a pain to land in strong wings, and usually it winds up as a Harrier landing because it can stay aloft very easy, even with flaps not deployed, heck I only use the flaps now for takeoff.  Strongest I will fly is 18, and only if its not a cross wind, where I fly , way to risky to take off and land with a cross wind, just not enough runway to deal with it. 

Most guys have these nice open areas with lots of runway to take off and land on, me, I have maybe 100' of width, and about 400' of length, with a dead stop on 3 sides, along with some obstacles on the right  side, namely the carcasses of an A-26 and Navy Panther, with a 2 level pole barn as a wind break/turbulence maker.  When the winds are out of the south at anything above 10 MPH, I dont risk it, because of the change in wind speed and turbulence when it gets past the barn. I have had my planes bounce up and down 10-15 feet going past that barn roof with southerly winds.  When out of the north, it isnt so bad, but from the south, as long as I pay attention to right to left take offs so that it doesn't veer into us when the wind speed changes past the barn,  there is like a demarcation line, and if you miss it, you have a plane coming right at you.   The Apprentice is very good at yawing at slow speeds when the wind hits that big tail, and no matter how much rudder you give it, it will not straighten out until it gains enough speed.  

So like I said, the Apprentice is a good plane to learn on, as long as you dont have strong winds, it is way too light.  



Yeah, I can fly in wind, I just do it when it's safe, and wont harm my planes, and also use the right plane for the winds. 


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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/5/2012 3:00 PM   
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Status: online 		I gotta support acdii on this. When my students are choosing which power system to use I give them these guide lines based on our field (nice long paved runway and fair sized open field with heavy tree brush behind that). Electrics stand down above 10mph, glow stands down about 15mph. Not because of the plane, because of the student. An experienced pilot CAN fly in higher winds, but its usually not too fun for a fresh solo'd novice pilot. Just last week a new pilot was flying in high winds at about 18mph. He spun in back in the trees, we still havent found his plane. I did a demo flight to test a new plane setup for a new student, but didnt buddy box. There was really nothing he was going to learn in those winds. Later, when a student has more experience and can put the plane where I tell him, we'll fly in higher winds. The issue with electrics is when the battery starts running down, like was said, you might not make it to the runway or clear grass.

Then on the other hand, I kind of like flying a trainer in that kind of wind. You can just about helicopter down to the runway from about 5' up. It teaches you reflex and control.
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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/5/2012 7:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I Harrier land the T-34 my friends just look at me and shake their heads and say
 
That just aint right.
 
I haven't flown it since I removed the droops, I borrowed the engine for my Kadet since it lined up the same as the OS, and I cant find a SIG mount for it yet, but once I do and get the engine back on it, I want to do some stall tests without the droops and see how it flies. I doubt I can Harrier land it with out them, but hopefully it will be a litlle faster.  

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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/6/2012 1:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the things I like to have my students do while flying on a windy day is to get it up fairly high, put it into the wind and just " kite " it in one place. When they get where they can do it fairly well I start having them do it with rudder ( first step with rudder ). It's a Great feeling for them when they can keep it in one spot for an extended time and maybe even fly it backwards.

With the electric's I have my students use timers so we don't go too deep into a charge, besides I don't like flying students more then 10 minutes per flight. Then at least a short break before they go up again. Right now we only go 4 flights ( at 10 min ) that's enough for the day. I feel that more then that and they quit learning.

By the way, if you are looking for some cheap timers that work great try " Dollar Tree " nice one $ 1.00 . Other dollar stores may also have them. We velcro them to the transmitter. ENJOY !!! RED

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RE: best 4 channel trainer - 12/6/2012 2:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or use the built in timer on the TX, all my radios have dual timers, one counts up when throttle is applied, the other counts down when throttle applied, and continues when throttle is idle, the other one stops when idle, continues when throttle up.   Beeps when it reaches two minutes, then beeps again at one minute, and beeps like mad at zero.

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