Our society is so polarized there is no temperate zone any more.  And the primary reason for that is we all refuse to be considerate of the other person. 
Intolerence is disgusting.  I can't stand it.  

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ORIGINAL: YellowAircraft
...then set up their trainers and bipes and just sit and talk all day. Never fly. They sure had a lot to say to the guys who did fly, though. They'd sit there and judge landings, loudly quote the rulebook...

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ORIGINAL: rgburrill

Our society is so polarized there is no temperate zone any more.  And the primary reason for that is we all refuse to be considerate of the other person. 
Intolerence is disgusting.  I can't stand it.  

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ORIGINAL: jgracco

Hold on here... you had 3 out of 4 empty fire extinguishers and a forth that was on its last breath.. Wow call me green, call me a clown but isn't it like cardinal rule number one about safety and turbines?  Like using oxygen while smoking a cigarette.  Ever see the rule sheet for welding?  Not much different here.  You’re a walking billboard for how not to do things.   Complacency is bad and it caught up with you.  Thank god your buddy did not put it in.  You're lucky it was not a lot worse. 

Think of it this way... you are a pilot of a plane and your plane goes down and you do not have a radio because the battery is dead and you do not have fire extinguishers because you did not fill them.  If the FAA got hold of you, you would not be a pilot.

Your team should be ashamed.  it IS a question of what could have happened. It IS a question of what should have been done and it is a question of sleeping at the switch and prevention. You want to preserve the hobby???  Hang up your hat and take up model trains.. strike one you’re out in this arena! 

I hope that they revoked your rights to fly... Empty establishers.. not one but four?????

Wow

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ORIGINAL: gunradd

I am a member of a club down here in Florida and a few weeks ago we had a Shokjet crash. The plane lost its elevator control and the turbine was shut off long before it hit the ground. Well the lipos for the receiver caught fire upon impact and started a fire. The guys went out to put the fire out but 3 of the 4 fire extinguishers where empty. The last one didn't have enough to get the fire out because it already spread because of the wind. By the time the Fire dept arrived it had gotten to a decent size. The fire dept sent out the rookies to battle the small brush fire since they needed experience and it was not threating anything. It became more of a controlled burn to get rid of the brush and training for the fire dept rookies. So it looked much worse then it was.

Well needless to say we already had many non turbine flying members very against us. So this was just ammo they could use to turn people against us. They right away started spreading rumors about us loosing the Field and turbines should be banned.

In the mean time the club officers held a meeting and purchased a gator tractor and 4 10gallon water extinguishers. Also replaced the 4 empty extinguishers. So now the Gator is on the flightline with the extinguishers ready to go and some rakes are also on the gator. So it went back to business as usual.

But the opposition persisted. This last week was our election for a new club president. Well a very outspoken anti turbine guy won. So I figured the best thing to do for me was to try and have a talk with him and show him how safe turbines where. So I went through the failsafe settings and how the turbine shuts down in a lockout. Showed him my power box dual receiver batts and all the other redundant things we have in our jets. Well he felt its all to complicated and flat out said that since only a few people fly them it wont impact many people if we just ban then altogether.

So it seems we have an uphill battle if we want to keep flying at our Field. The Board is still pro turbine so not sure if anything will happen but still its pretty stressfull. I only have one plane and its a turbine. The AMA really should step in and help us jet guys with stuff like this. I saw some great comments like the one from Bob in the other thread and would love for him to chime in.

Also on a side note these same guys didnt like my electric jets when I had them either. They said I fly to low,fast,high and far blah blah blah. I know every club has these guys but it sucks they can have the power to take something from us just because we are the minority.

Nothing like making a statement without having actually payed any attention to what happened ;p

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jgracco


you are a perfect case of why i stay away from clubs now. sorry you brought that on yourself . can't you see .. you are the same thing your criticizing ?

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Have not had time to read the whole thread.  But i suspect that if somone gathers data and presents the percentage of accidents, property damage and injures cause by jets compared to gas, glow or electric planes the jets will be far less dangerous. 
I fly large gas planes (if you call a DA120 large) and have a lot less experience and stick time then almost any of the jet jocks.
I have witnessed many accidents (had a few myself) and have seen several planes come down on a gazebo full of people.  (I add a 50 cc gasser almost went through the roof)  Have seen an instructor recieve many stitches working on an electric plane and just general carnage.  We have jets flying every weekend and on nice evenings and they seam to never have issues.(except for the occasional bouncey landing).
At my field  DCRC in Washington D.C. the people who fly jets are all very good pilots with tons of experience and are not allowed to fly unless they have a Waiver and are approved by the club.   There are very few jet related issues.  In fact in the last two yeas i would speclate that the damage and injures caused by airplanes would be ranked as electric the most dangerous, followed by glow, then gas then turbines.
Maybe some facts put togather on paper can prove that the jet pilots tend to be safer and more expereiced pilots then most fliers.
I would rather be around 20 jet pilots flying planes that are in control then one fool with a hopped up little plane that cant even land.
Of course maybe you would rather be around somone with a t-rex450 that cant fly!

P.S.   Don't get me wrong, jets make me nervous, but there are many more people that instill fear in me with prop planes!

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ORIGINAL: stoneenforcer

I was a lil brass in my first post and I dont mean to come across as such. Ive been building and flying for 25 years. I take satisfaction in helping others in the hobby and have taught many to fly. Its rather upsetting to see a so called long term pilot, take presidency, whos nearly twice my age and should be that much wiser, only to simply show such a lack of respect to the entire hobby and complete disregard of the local rc community. It really shows arrogance on his behalf. Ive spoken with other board members ( !whom fly turbines! )and Ive been told they've stomped his opinion out and we shouldnt have any more issues. I'll be happy when this clown gets voted back out of office.

*** The club has installed a standby 4x4 utility buggy completey outfitted with several FULL extiguishers, rakes and shovels. Theyve stepped up and implemented what seems to be good safety measures should a future fire problem accure. So, they are pro active regarding the recent situation and have made the proper adjustments.

I dont expect to see or hear any more fuss regarding turbines. Ive never had a problem at the club. Everyone has always given me compliments on my jets, helped me when needed, I lend a techincal hand when I can, I express my appreciation to those I always see doing field maitenance and I expect things to run smoothly into the future.

Gunrad, I dont believe you will have or hear any issues, so dont fret. Give me a shout next time your north bound.

Cheers bro!

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  our feild was banned because one member decided to tell the land fill hoe dangerous turbines were.. even though they had flown their for a couple years w/o incident... what ashame.

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  our feild was banned because one member decided to tell the land fill hoe dangerous turbines were.. even though they had flown their for a couple years w/o incident... what ashame.

They must have something on the '' Landfill Hoe '' to pull that off.. I mean, how much crap can you tear up in a land fill !!!! ??????? I mean, really.... REALLY ???


Danno