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ORIGINAL: pmerritt

1.  Anything that burns fuel can cause a fire.
2.  All batteries when damaged severely enough can cause a fire.
3.  How many pilots when flying check the strenght/expiration of the club extinguishers each time the arrive? (this isn't an excuse for the safety officer's neglect - just a question that if you fly, shouldn't you preflight the safety equpiment, know how and where to obtain the necessary means to be of assistance?)
4.  How likely is it that any safety cart/truck can get to a crash site of a burning aircraft to totally contain a grass fire? 
5.  The club I wanted to join most in my area has their share of bad seeds.  The last time I went there to observe, I witnessed the Barney Fife attitude and behavior in person.  There is no way in hell I am going to pay to have this wonderful experience of flight and have that pleasure be ruined by some club member who thinks he sits on the left hand side of God. 
6.  The politics of this hobby will be the bane of its existence.  I am a senior citizen and am witness to the difference of attitude of these up and coming generations.   Dual working parents cause lack of mentorship as well as the neglect of basic education regarding respect and manners.  I was taught to ''respect my elders''.  This doesn't mean that all kids are disrespectful or lacking manners.  Things obviously are changing.  How many times do you see a young man hold the door for a lady.  Whatever happened to ''thank you'', ''Yes sir, yes Ma'am''?
7.  ''Old Schoolism'' is fading fast and so are attitudes at the fields.  As I look back at my young arrogant and rebellious years of thinking I was so much smarter than my parents, I believe there is no better education than time and tenure.  There is certainly no method in which we teach life to some too young to care to learn. 
8.  We all are participants in a very dangerous hobby and quite often we overlook the risks we involve ourselves in.  Safety is the obligation of everyone at the flying field.  In this case it seems that the lack of education and respect for this hobby were as much the blame as anything.

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ORIGINAL: pmerritt

1.  Anything that burns fuel can cause a fire.
2.  All batteries when damaged severely enough can cause a fire.
3.  How many pilots when flying check the strenght/expiration of the club extinguishers each time the arrive? (this isn't an excuse for the safety officer's neglect - just a question that if you fly, shouldn't you preflight the safety equpiment, know how and where to obtain the necessary means to be of assistance?)
4.  How likely is it that any safety cart/truck can get to a crash site of a burning aircraft to totally contain a grass fire? 
5.  The club I wanted to join most in my area has their share of bad seeds.  The last time I went there to observe, I witnessed the Barney Fife attitude and behavior in person.  There is no way in hell I am going to pay to have this wonderful experience of flight and have that pleasure be ruined by some club member who thinks he sits on the left hand side of God. 
6.  The politics of this hobby will be the bane of its existence.  I am a senior citizen and am witness to the difference of attitude of these up and coming generations.   Dual working parents cause lack of mentorship as well as the neglect of basic education regarding respect and manners.  I was taught to ''respect my elders''.  This doesn't mean that all kids are disrespectful or lacking manners.  Things obviously are changing.  How many times do you see a young man hold the door for a lady.  Whatever happened to ''thank you'', ''Yes sir, yes Ma'am''?
7.  ''Old Schoolism'' is fading fast and so are attitudes at the fields.  As I look back at my young arrogant and rebellious years of thinking I was so much smarter than my parents, I believe there is no better education than time and tenure.  There is certainly no method in which we teach life to some too young to care to learn. 
8.  We all are participants in a very dangerous hobby and quite often we overlook the risks we involve ourselves in.  Safety is the obligation of everyone at the flying field.  In this case it seems that the lack of education and respect for this hobby were as much the blame as anything.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Honda

Now... with the other side of it... I have young kids, and I don't think it has anything to do with both parents working. It has to do with parents who want to be their kid's ''Buddy''. (That's wrong on so many levels) Basically... the kid can get away with whatever he/she wants... and then after a few years... the parent no longer has control. My kids know what a punishment is.

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Also getting a bit fed up with "the old guys are the problem statement" some of us folically challenged older citizens are not as bad as you all make out, honest.

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ORIGINAL: BaldEagel

Try to look at this from a different perspective, all you younger guys want to change the status quo and upset what has been the accepted practice on our field for years, think of that before you start to type your reply.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: BaldEagel

You are LOL, but the message was to all in general not just you, just trying to bring a little different perspective into these ageist posts.

Mike

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Try to look at this from a different perspective, all you younger guys want to change the status quo and upset what has been the accepted practice on our field for years, think of that before you start to type your reply.

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ORIGINAL: BaldEagel

Try to look at this from a different perspective, all you younger guys want to change the status quo and upset what has been the accepted practice on our field for years, think of that before you start to type your reply.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Dr Honda

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ORIGINAL: BaldEagel

Try to look at this from a different perspective, all you younger guys want to change the status quo and upset what has been the accepted practice on our field for years, think of that before you start to type your reply.

Mike

EXACTLY !! I would have been the first guy to fly a turbine at my club. The ''Old Guys'' don't like change.

With that said... I would love to stop saying... ''Old Guys''... but it's the truth. But... then again... I'm not a ''Kid'' either. I'm 41. (and folliclely impaired also)

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ORIGINAL: RCFlyerDan

OK......hum......I hear a lot of you Northern Jet pilots talk about how nice you have it, and how eveyone accepts the jets. This is truly a wonderful thing, and a good thing for the jet community. BUT!!! I got chastised on this statement before in another forum. Down in the warmer climates, some of us fly ALL YEAR AROUND!!!! Which means that we are at the flying field more hours of the year to get on each others' nerves'. Think about it? If your wife/partner is getting on your nerves, you want to spend less time. Some of you;........ Now I am saying this for some of the dye hard Northern R/C Pilots!! Unless you fly all year around, no matter the climate, temperature, skis, snow,finger warmers, transformer mittens, etc,; Most of us in the Southern climate fly a lot more then you do up North, and thus; we as a population are around each other a lot more then up North. Heck, some of you probably only see each other once or twice a year!! Think about it, because our weather is so nice, some of us go to the flying field EVERY DAY for at least an hour or two, and some more then half of the day. Now!! Think about it!! Do you want to spend EVERY Day, of EVERY Hour with your wife/partner/best friend/ etc???
We(down in Florida) also have the issue of retired men( I am retired since 39(extremely white hair since 35), and currently 53) in general, who at one day in our lives, were either owners, managers, executives, and other respectable positions of the business community; Or others' are frustrated middle management in corporations, that now have control of an Officer or BOD position in the Local Club. At retirement, these men become extremely bored, and what we call down here in Florida, ''The Condo Command'' kicks in to that person, and they have to look for power, and a different respect to feel important again. This IMHO.....In My Humble Opinion.....Is what is the difference of a Northern Club, verses a Southern Club.....Please, PLease! PLEASE, PLEASE!!! Don't make more of that statement, then for the intent of flying r/c models!!! It is not about N or S. Thank you very much!! Dan

AGAIN!! This is all IMHO!!! of my observation of Man, and the Clubs. Thanks! Dan

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ORIGINAL: Joe Westrich

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ORIGINAL: RCFlyerDan

AGAIN!! This is all IMHO!!! of my observation of Man, and the Clubs. Thanks! Dan

(1) I think you got chastised for this because its very presumptuous.

(2) We don't have a better relationship in our club because we see any less of each other. We have a better relationship because of EFFORT made to keep it this way.

(3) I am a jet flyer that flys all year round, albiet less during the Winter months.



(4) Also, there is no way I would go to the field everyday, even in perfect weather. I have the rest of my life I still need to live. If you are there every day, I can see where friction may develop just from sheer statistics of interactions.


(5) Sometimes the logical concepts you think about are not true, even though you justify them to yourself over an over again.

Sorry Gunradd..... That was my last comment, I promise! I will let it die.