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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/8/2012 10:25 PM  2 votes
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/8/2012 10:30 PM   
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Cab forward makes a huge difference in performance on the track....that styling is not going anywhere...... who cares how it looks, its how it performs that matters...if you after scale looks go buy a plastic car model or something...Buggies and truggies are about the driving experience, not about looking like a scale miniature..... do any of you even own a cab forward machine ?


i call shenanigans
iv driven a RC10B4.1 RTR with a novak brushless system in it on a race track.  first time i drove it it had the stock body.  second time i drove it it had some cockpit forward proline body on it.  looked like crap.  there was no noticable difference in the handling of the buggy.
iv been able to do the same thing with an old losi 8ight.  there was no noticable difference.  the owner of the car was a racer, all he does with RC is race.  he even said he couldn't tell a difference between the two.

iv yet to have the opportunity to test a stadium truck or truggy.

trucks need to look like trucks.  buggys need to look like buggys.  and ROAR needs to crack down on this crap.  cause body design is just getting ridiculous with those stupid mohawk style sunken roofs.  for the sake of keeping the class looking like its namesake that style roof needs to be outlawed



Why should ROAR crack down on performance enhancing bodies?  If someone wants to putt around and rock crawl or bash, then go for the realistic look.  If you don't like the cab forward look, don't buy them. 


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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/8/2012 10:40 PM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/8/2012 11:26 PM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 1:14 AM   
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who cares how it looks, its how it performs that matters...if you after scale looks go buy a plastic car model or something...Buggies and truggies are about the driving experience, not about looking like a scale miniature



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 There are people like me who actually like the styling of rc buggies..... No one is forcing you to run an unrealistic shell and 1/8 buggy class are about performance, not realism.

+1.

A 1:8 scale buggy with a shiny heat sink sticking out of the top of the body, glossy wing, obnoxious paint scheme, angry tires, and no-nonsense wheels is the most BEAUTIFUL thing in "the hobby" for me. I could care less how "real" it looks vs a 1:1 car, I am all about performance, and thus I enjoy the LOOK of performance. If putting an orange afro on a cars made it handle better, then I would that orange afro would look pretty stylish to me. ;-) 

Hell, if they ever made a 1:1 car that looked like the OFNA Hyper 7, I'd be all over it. ;-)

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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 1:51 AM   
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I don't even know why are the called "buggies". They don't look anything like the real thing

There are only a few that look like real buggies.



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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 3:16 AM   
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bashing, or racing... old body style or new body style...
I don't even know why are the called "buggies". They don't look anything like the real thing

There are only a few that look like real buggies.




1/8 scale never really has looked like there namesake.  they were **** nitro versions of the 1/10 scale electric buggy's.  but 1/10 scale 2wd buggy's did still look like a single seat desert race buggy until they started using those pointless cockpit forward body's.

and stadium trucks used to look like trucks.  remember stadium trucks in the late 80's and 90's.  hell the RC10T4.1 RTR is still an example of a stadium truck that looks like a truck.  but throw a proline bulldog body on it and it doesn't look like anything.  and im betting just like my experience's with the buggys that they don't do damn thing.  



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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 3:45 AM   
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I want to see a 1:5 scale on road car from HPI. Or Kyosho., but I'm sure that ain't going to happen.
also... can't wait for that gas savage to come out.

honestly that almost seems like what for software was called vaporware all hyped up and when it was supposed to be shown never materialized

Something went wrong in the testing of that engine,  they were close to releasing but then had to cancel i beleive.

I wonder what happened, I'd love to hear the inside story.
I was also very intrigued in how a 1/8 gas engine would perform, if it worked it would have been the next big thing for sure.



You'd think they would have tested it prior to putting it a vehicle and releasing photo's of it? Or even before they even built one, they would know everything that people have said how it won't work?

I'd like to see diesel come back. It was messy and a bit of a pain to get started but once you did, no temperature ever effected how it ran....ever....

Have you ever worked on a life size 4 stroke engine?  there is alot of things that have to be right for it to work correctly.   I would imagine this small engine would be an interferance engine making it all the more crutial to have all the moving parts times correctly.   Not trying to argue but its not a easy task by anymeans.



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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 4:19 AM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 6:15 AM   
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bashing, or racing... old body style or new body style...
I don't even know why are the called ''buggies''. They don't look anything like the real thing

There are only a few that look like real buggies.



Well said.

It sounds to me like everyone is looking forward to better body styling..?

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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 12:32 PM   
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Three quick questions for you boys:

1. What do you predict will be the biggest item/event/fad, etc for 2013?
2. What do you hope will be the biggest item/event/fad, etc for 2013 (assuming it's different than what you predict)?
3. What do you feel was the biggest item/event/fad, etc. in 2012?

I'll soon be coming up on my one year anniversary in ''the hobby'' and am very intriqued with the trends that occur. I envy you guys who have been in to this for multiple years and have seen the various models that are introduced, racing classes, powertrain interest, etc.




Awsome question, with some great replys

1, I wouldent be supprised if the nitro SCT will be the next big thing, all it would take Is a big company to go crazy with advertising to creat a stronger demand, then we might see some more race bread nitro SCT's

2. I wish losi would make a brushless 5ive-t or even a 5ive-buggy

3. Traxxas, they have been the hottest topic this year with there releases. And the RTR SCX10 Honcho sported some much needed upgrades fitted from the factory this year that has made a boom of people getting into crawling


Congrats on the anniversary, only 1 year? Wow u have come so fair in one year, u are doing a lot better than me in my first year. No kidding don't ask lol.


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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 4:07 PM  1 votes
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 5:26 PM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 5:31 PM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 6:36 PM   
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Just an outside observation here... but it seems people here have vastly different tastes and desires for RC cars.......... Some guys here seem to be mostly concerned about how realistic something looks, and a strong desire for the current products to look more realistic, and have no really concern about improving driving performance........... Then we have others here like myself who couldn't care less how something looks and are 100% concerned with how something performs..........If putting pink poms poms on the car made it go faster I would be putting pink poms poms on my car.........For me RC is all about the driving experience, the better performing the machine is, the more fun I seem to have with it............. Now I ask are people's tastes just that much different ? or is it we have all been exposed to different things and had our tastes sculpted simply by what we have been exposed to............ I always wonder if the guys who love the scale looking gear have actually ever driven a full out competition 1/8th RC buggy or Truggy, and if they did get a chance to drive one of these types of machines would their tastes also change ? I mean until someone drives one of the high end machines its going to be quite difficult to imagine how much fun high performance really is..........I Am not saying nay of this to be mean or to pick on anyone, but for the life of me I cannot understand how someone could be more concerned with how a RC looked rather then how it performed... And if someone is that concerned with looks it makes me ask if they have experienced anything with real performance.....Untill I drove a good truggy I had no idea what high performance was all about, and once I got my first taste it was all over after that...I was hooked on going fast...


You cannot understand how someone would be more concerned with how an rc looked vs performed?...really?
The world is full of different people, while you put performance before looks, is great and all, its also you opinion, others prefer scale looks, or maybe they prefer truggys with airplane bodies on them, or full blown 2000 dollar race setups, or whatever.
What you prefer has no bearing on what other have or should want, I completely respect your opinion and have checked out your vids you do make some really good sounding engines, but I really believe that everyone should run and be proud of what they want to run.
You said it perfectly yourself "People here have vastly different tastes and desires for rc cars"
Thats the way it should be and thats the way it should stay.


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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 7:06 PM   
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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 9:08 PM   
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Just an outside observation here... but it seems people here have vastly different tastes and desires for RC cars.......... Some guys here seem to be mostly concerned about how realistic something looks, and a strong desire for the current products to look more realistic, and have no really concern about improving driving performance........... Then we have others here like myself who couldn't care less how something looks and are 100% concerned with how something performs..........If putting pink poms poms on the car made it go faster I would be putting pink poms poms on my car.........For me RC is all about the driving experience, the better performing the machine is, the more fun I seem to have with it............. Now I ask are people's tastes just that much different ? or is it we have all been exposed to different things and had our tastes sculpted simply by what we have been exposed to............ I always wonder if the guys who love the scale looking gear have actually ever driven a full out competition 1/8th RC buggy or Truggy, and if they did get a chance to drive one of these types of machines would their tastes also change ? I mean until someone drives one of the high end machines its going to be quite difficult to imagine how much fun high performance really is..........I Am not saying nay of this to be mean or to pick on anyone, but for the life of me I cannot understand how someone could be more concerned with how a RC looked rather then how it performed... And if someone is that concerned with looks it makes me ask if they have experienced anything with real performance.....Untill I drove a good truggy I had no idea what high performance was all about, and once I got my first taste it was all over after that...I was hooked on going fast...


You cannot understand how someone would be more concerned with how an rc looked vs performed?...really?
The world is full of different people, while you put performance before looks, is great and all, its also you opinion, others prefer scale looks, or maybe they prefer truggys with airplane bodies on them, or full blown 2000 dollar race setups, or whatever.
What you prefer has no bearing on what other have or should want, I completely respect your opinion and have checked out your vids you do make some really good sounding engines, but I really believe that everyone should run and be proud of what they want to run.
You said it perfectly yourself ''People here have vastly different tastes and desires for rc cars''
Thats the way it should be and thats the way it should stay.



dude you couldn't have misunderstood my post any worse then you did...... I totally respect other peoples opinions, as that was the whole purpose of my post..... However the fact still remains that I couldnt care less how a machine looked, ...how it performs is really all I care about.......I Am not the type of person who who cares much what other people think or like...so me expressing my preferences in no way shape or form is an attack on what others prefer.... As I really dont care one way or the other what someone prefers..... and the only time I may get involved in a discussion is when I feel someone's opinion of a product is being unfairly biased based of terribly inaccurate information that sometimes gets posted on these forums.....


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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/9/2012 10:51 PM   
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No sweat dude...

One thing I never have any issue with is people having their own preferences,,...we all have different tastes and rightly so I respect that....

In RC there are certain times when I feel people are maybe being too closed minded for their own good, and in those situations I may step up and try to convince them to reconsider their judgements and give something a fair try before they make such strong opinions on a product... As there are many times that I feel people will judge that they dislike certain products without even ever trying the product, basing their opinions solely off speculation.... In these cases I will sometimes step in and try to reason with a person to maybe expand their horizons as I feel they may be selling themselves short by being so closed minded and biased.... And example would I believe every one who owns a MT owes it to themselves to also try a good truggy....I believe many who enjoy MT`s would also greatly enjoy running a Truggy..quite a few may end up like me and like the truggy better..others may still prefer the MT... But I cannot respect a persons opinion on it unless they have actually tried a proper truggy for themselves...if all they have done is speculate then their opinion holds little value to me...As I feel you really have to drive one to understand what they are about....... I mean if someone is on here offering their preferences on race engines and they themselves have never raced or owned a race engine its hard for me to take their opinion too seriously..... However if someone indeed owns both a MT and a Truggy and comes back and says they liked the MT better I would maybe ask why then move on, I would respect their decision on what they liked.......... Now of course on these forums people often like to lie about things like this in order to substantiate their argument on the forums...guys will claim to have tested and used a certain product in order for them to add validity to what they are arguing....In these cases I may not respect what a person is saying, as its hard to respect a person when you know they are straight faced lying......

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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 1:03 AM   
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Awsome question, with some great replys

1, I wouldent be supprised if the nitro SCT will be the next big thing, all it would take Is a big company to go crazy with advertising to creat a stronger demand, then we might see some more race bread nitro SCT's

I'd try it out if they did.

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2. I wish losi would make a brushless 5ive-t or even a 5ive-buggy

The 1:5 vehicles seem too slow for me, but in all fairness I've not seen one in real life. A 1:5 Monster Truck would certainly peak my interest.-)

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3. Traxxas, they have been the hottest topic this year with there releases. And the RTR SCX10 Honcho sported some much needed upgrades fitted from the factory this year that has made a boom of people getting into crawling

This was my observation as well, everything from the SCX10 upgrades, to the X0-1, to the TQi.  Still don't own one...but one day I will (most likely the Jato).

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Congrats on the anniversary, only 1 year? Wow u have come so fair in one year, u are doing a lot better than me in my first year. No kidding don't ask lol.

Heh-heh! Thanks. I feel I have nitro rc in my genes, as I love, Love, LOVE it!!!, I often think to myself "how did I miss out on this all these years???"  I'm 42, and aside from bass fishing, this has been my favorite hobby ever!

Driving is exhilarating, and wrenching is very theraputic,. I'm a little anxious to see what the racing experience will be like, but let it be known I'm all in. I don't believe in doing anything half-a$$, so will approach the racing scene guns-a-blazin'. I know I'll take my lumps for a year or two, but no one will be more tenacious than I am at getting better each and every day.

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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 1:28 AM   
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Ive seen the Losi 5t and it's fast out of the box.  but fast is all relative and in comparison to what?  I guess for me if it is fast it is fast enough to do some damage when it hits something. I hate to be hit by a 35lb 5t WFO.



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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 1:43 AM   
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I could be wrong but the thing is.... unless we are talking top speed and aerodynamics., I really see no performance advantage from one or the other on a small track. Unless there's a huge weight difference?

agree
I can see the advantage if you are trying to break the land speed RC record as it looks to have more down force in the front so it won't lift off, but for track use where most RC's can get no where near their top speed I don't see how it would help.

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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 1:59 AM   
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Ive seen the Losi 5t and it's fast out of the box.  but fast is all relative and in comparison to what?  I guess for me if it is fast it is fast enough to do some damage when it hits something. I hate to be hit by a 35lb 5t WFO.


Yea, I agree, fast is relative. Just stating based on what I've seen (online videos) the 1:5 scales don't LOOK fast (to me at least). As I noted, I've never seen one in real life, and certain it's all about scale. My 1:10 cars w/.15-.19 engines "look" and "feel" faster than my 1:8 w/ .28 engines, but when I pit them together, the larger scales win. There has been a lot of talk on this thread regarding preference, and I agree this hobby is ALL about one's preference. For me I like quick, agile slot-car like performance. Something that runs around like a little whippet on the track (one reason I'm fascinated with on-road racing).

If the 1:5 scale were in the 1:8 price-range, I'd probably buck up and get one, but for now sticking with my preference (1:8 performance). I'd bash a 1:5 vehicle, and can only conceptualize how sensational a 1:5 monster truck would be. Can you imagine a 1:5 Savage?  Talk about "wow" factor!



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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 2:35 AM   
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If the 1:5 scale were in the 1:8 price-range, I'd probably buck up and get one,


true., but after 10 or 15 gallons, is a whole different story


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RE: Past and Future Trends - 12/10/2012 3:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I get a good 45min from one 700cc tank of 2 stroke petrol, dare say a nitro would geat about the same runtime for that amount of fuel, it's just nitro is 10 times the cost.

U could say there is about $900 price difference from a 8ight to a 5ive, so that would take about 800 tanks of nitro for the 5ive to work out cheaper, but that's including 142 tanks of 2 stroke with the 5ive


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