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What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 2:21 AM   
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When researching radios (my first non-RTR one), I opted to bypass telemetry. which surprised me. 

Like many things in this hobby, it looked cool at first (I can't believe I was actually intriguied with LED light kits at one time). The concept is great, but seems like the footprint it too much.

With that, if you could design your own telemetry system that has an incredibly small/no footprint and is 100% accurate (we can dream, can't we?) what features would you like to see?

Engine temps are always good to know, as is top speed.

However, I'd like to see:
1. Built in stop-watch. Something that allow you to calibrate a track into sections and then record your times on each portion of the track as well as overall lap time.  All data would then be captured "by section" of your running surace.
2. Transition time for clutch. i.e. What percent is engaged at which RPM.

What useful data do you guys think would be cool to have at your fingertips?



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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 2:30 AM   
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temp, and battery cell voltage level(or just battery voltage for nitros) all I care about with an alarm built in that you can set to go off when the vehicle hits a certain voltage, or motor hits a certain temp. (I know HK has an add on battery cell telemetry thing)
Rest is just for bragging rights or useless for 99% of people.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 6:01 PM   
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I am allowed to dream eh?

Three temperature sensors- ambient air, CHT (cylinder head temp), EGT (exhaust gas temp).
Speed sensors- engine rpm, wheel speed (x4).
Battery voltage sensor.
Fuel level sensor.

The onboard unit should also have outputs for servos, meaning you could for example control the mixture pertaining to temperature readings. Ideally the onboard unit would be programmable to change the mixture automatically...but I guess that is an ECU not Telemetry.

Of course as Syco mentioned most people would never use/understand half of it.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 6:47 PM   
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I cant find a use for onboard telemetry as I need to watch were I am driving not at the little screen on my remote.......It would be nice to be able to check things after the run like max engine temp, max engine rpm, top speed, engine run time per tank of fuel.........

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 6:57 PM   
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Battery voltage, motor and ESC temp are all I care about. Everything else is just a gimmick to me.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/10/2012 11:39 PM   
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no telemetry whatsoever.  i hate it and its not something id use or even have a need for.
 
aside from maybe motor/engine, ESC temps and battery power level its totally useless.  and even those things are only marginally useful.

i say stop wasteing time and money on BS electronic add on crap and start making chassis' work better.


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 12:47 AM   
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no telemetry whatsoever.  i hate it and its not something id use or even have a need for.
 
aside from maybe motor/engine, ESC temps and battery power level its totally useless.  and even those things are only marginally useful.

i say stop wasteing time and money on BS electronic add on crap and start making chassis' work better.


well majority of the manufacturers of radios don't have a damn thing to do with the vehicle manufacturers (outside traxxas) so that is kinda moot

Ttowntoolman why I said with settable alarms to tell ya when you were hitting the threshold for temp and voltage so you wouldn't have to look
without settable alarms though they are more of a novelty IMO

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 6:12 AM   
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U guys know that the traxxas link can do most of that.
At the moment u can only run a temp/volt and a RPM but soon a expander will be realesed to run additional temp sensors and a GPS unit.
That way u can monitor say, motor RPM, GPS speed, motor temp, servo temp, battery voltage or temp, ESC temp...

U can set the dash board to 2 modes

Mode 1
4 main live gauges and max speed box that's got a button to reset it. There is temp, rpm, volts, speed. they can be customized to different scales and from meteric to imperial. There is also the option to add 4 other gauges that can show u even more information on each sensor like, minimum, average and max values and they show live readings to.
The main volt and temp gauges can ba changed to have green,orange and red analog scale with a digital number reading. It's handy so u have more of a visual reading if something is getting hot. Also u can set audiable alarms for things like low voltage, to hot,etc

There is even a record button that records everything on the screen and there is a switchable mic on off button. For guys that like to dictate there driving

Mode 2..... Lots of boxes gauges, never tried it lol

The good news is the TQi is all software based, meaning we might see more features and more customizable dash boards, at the moment there is only 2 Theames, light and dark.

I would kill for traxxas to made a inductive pick up for 1/5 gas motors that would work with the TQi


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 6:19 AM   
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By the looks the TQi and ipod combo can do everything u guys ask. As well as play ur favorite driving tunes


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 7:04 AM   
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Telemetry I would actually use

1. Motor, esc and battery temperature
2. Battery Voltage w/alarm
3. Transponder for race practice
4. In built dominos pizza status thing so I know what stage the pizza I ordered is at

Live speed and rpm readings are useless to me as you can't exactly look at it while driving

I don't mind some sort of velocity, acceleration, g force, torque, rpm, amp reading logger thing so I can see what is going on after the run. But that is going to over complicate things, more wires, weight for something that you don't need as a basher or not so serious racer.




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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 9:21 AM   
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Telemetry I would actually use

1. Motor, esc and battery temperature
2. Battery Voltage w/alarm
3. Transponder for race practice
4. In built dominos pizza status thing so I know what stage the pizza I ordered is at

Live speed and rpm readings are useless to me as you can't exactly look at it while driving

I don't mind some sort of velocity, acceleration, g force, torque, rpm, amp reading logger thing so I can see what is going on after the run. But that is going to over complicate things, more wires, weight for something that you don't need as a basher or not so serious racer.





Traxxas TQi with iPhone has u overed there with the Dominos Pizza app
U could even use this very forum, I'm on a iPad ATM who is to say its not connected to my controller?

Can't think of any controllers that are on par, as soon as u dock ur iPhone now u controller can do everything the iphone could, u can even make hands free phone calls while driving. Or order and pay for a part as u brake it from ur faveroite bash spot.
Or even call 911/000 emergency numbers...
The possibilities are endless,


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 11:23 AM   
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Telemetry I would actually use
 
1. Motor, esc and battery temperature
2. Battery Voltage w/alarm
3. Transponder for race practice
4. In built dominos pizza status thing so I know what stage the pizza I ordered is at
 
Live speed and rpm readings are useless to me as you can't exactly look at it while driving
 
I don't mind some sort of velocity, acceleration, g force, torque, rpm, amp reading logger thing so I can see what is going on after the run. But that is going to over complicate things, more wires, weight for something that you don't need as a basher or not so serious racer.
 
 



Traxxas TQi with iPhone has u overed there with the Dominos Pizza app
U could even use this very forum, I'm on a iPad ATM who is to say its not connected to my controller?

Can't think of any controllers that are on par, as soon as u dock ur iPhone now u controller can do everything the iphone could, u can even make hands free phone calls while driving. Or order and pay for a part as u brake it from ur faveroite bash spot.
Or even call 911/000 emergency numbers...
The possibilities are endless,


So your saying while I am out bashing I can order a pizza and have it delivered by the time by battery runs out, AWESOME!!!

I have a Samsung Galazy SII so unfortunately I won't be able to connect it to a radio but I can still surf the net with it and order pizza (I think)

There are definetely people who will benifet from the TQi radio, I can imagine in the near future add ons like fpv (whatever they call controlling your rc from a screen) and guides for tuning your traxxas will be made for the iphone





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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 1:46 PM   
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my dx3s, has alarms for alot of stuff. my head temp alarm goes off all the time when playing in a parking lot.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/11/2012 9:33 PM   
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Telemetry I would actually use
 
1. Motor, esc and battery temperature
2. Battery Voltage w/alarm
3. Transponder for race practice
4. In built dominos pizza status thing so I know what stage the pizza I ordered is at
 
Live speed and rpm readings are useless to me as you can't exactly look at it while driving
 
I don't mind some sort of velocity, acceleration, g force, torque, rpm, amp reading logger thing so I can see what is going on after the run. But that is going to over complicate things, more wires, weight for something that you don't need as a basher or not so serious racer.
 
 



Traxxas TQi with iPhone has u overed there with the Dominos Pizza app
U could even use this very forum, I'm on a iPad ATM who is to say its not connected to my controller?

Can't think of any controllers that are on par, as soon as u dock ur iPhone now u controller can do everything the iphone could, u can even make hands free phone calls while driving. Or order and pay for a part as u brake it from ur faveroite bash spot.
Or even call 911/000 emergency numbers...
The possibilities are endless,


So your saying while I am out bashing I can order a pizza and have it delivered by the time by battery runs out, AWESOME!!!

I have a Samsung Galazy SII so unfortunately I won't be able to connect it to a radio but I can still surf the net with it and order pizza (I think)

There are definetely people who will benifet from the TQi radio, I can imagine in the near future add ons like fpv (whatever they call controlling your rc from a screen) and guides for tuning your traxxas will be made for the iphone






yes lol....

Ive found it handy, I store all the information about my rc cars on it in a note thingy, things like fitted upgrades, mods, part numbers, gearing anything really. even pictures of them.


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/12/2012 7:29 PM   
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should only be 3 sensors

1 it tells you your battery is low because the telemetry has used all the power.
2 it tells you that them 6 cells are going to fry that ESC while using that silly gearing.
3 it tells you that while watching the screen your car has hit something.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/13/2012 11:39 AM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/13/2012 12:32 PM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.


BUT NOOOOOO, YOU MUST SEE HOW FAST YOUR 6S MUMBA MUNSTER POWERED MERV IS GOING!!!

But in all seriousness, I agree, while telemetry may be cool it doesn't help racers much



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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/13/2012 11:47 PM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.


I think telemerty is one of those things u don't need, but it wont hurt ur setup, and the information can be usefull.

It's a lot like a gps, u don't need it but I can be

One cool thing about telemerty if u are bashing ur car and some one asked how fast is? U can actually tell them

Telemerty would be Awsome or speed runs, and I use it all the time for battery voltage

Are u saying that the telemerty inaccurate? That that include traxxas or is that limited to spectrum?


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/13/2012 11:53 PM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.


BUT NOOOOOO, YOU MUST SEE HOW FAST YOUR 6S MUMBA MUNSTER POWERED MERV IS GOING!!!

But in all seriousness, I agree, while telemetry may be cool it doesn't help racers much




The traxxas telemerty is set up very well for the drag racers Using the dts-1. Seriously check out its features.

I don't traxxas ever intended for racers to use telemerty (excluding drag racing) not really sure why that was brought up???
Traxxas don't have any racing cars? And the racing market it just to small for traxxas to worry about


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/14/2012 8:31 AM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.


I think telemerty is one of those things u don't need, but it wont hurt ur setup, and the information can be usefull.

It's a lot like a gps, u don't need it but I can be

One cool thing about telemerty if u are bashing ur car and some one asked how fast is? U can actually tell them

Telemerty would be Awsome or speed runs, and I use it all the time for battery voltage

Are u saying that the telemerty inaccurate? That that include traxxas or is that limited to spectrum?


Its not that telemetry is inherently inaccurate, but it is a matter of maintenance. How many people send their telemetry sets off to be callibrated every season? How many clean and check placement of sensors after every run? Believe me after a season of racing, you are not going to see the same numbers from the same conditions from the same probes and sensors. Then there's speedos which are simply calculated based on a tachymeter on a piece of the driveline, the internal gear ratios and rollout distance. In reality, you need to factor in tire drag, wind drag, tire swell if its a fast car. Then there's temperature probes, which need to be placed exactly where they need to be placed, just alittle off and you get a different reading. Then there's volt and amp (and therefore watt) meters, which are largely safe but depend on callibration to remain accurate over long periods, then there's the added weight of all this crap (admittedly small, but not negligible if you have the whole setup). Then there's the added complexity, more stuff to go wrong. If you rely on your temp probe while racing, and it suddenly stops responding, what's your choice? Pit and see what's wrong? Carry on and hope for the best?

I'm not knocking it in general, it can be useful, and if it didn't exist, you can bet I'd be trying to invent it, but I would never say its 'important' and its accuracy is very subjective, largely based on the diligence of the user.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/14/2012 11:43 AM   
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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/15/2012 12:04 AM   
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Telemetry schmelemetry. Even when racing nitro on road seriously, I just had no need for it. Unless you're so good that you can put down 50 laps all within .5 of a second of each other, you are not going to get anything meaningful from making adjustments based on what your telemetry is telling you, assuming the information is even reliable, which half the time it isn't.


I think telemerty is one of those things u don't need, but it wont hurt ur setup, and the information can be usefull.

It's a lot like a gps, u don't need it but I can be

One cool thing about telemerty if u are bashing ur car and some one asked how fast is? U can actually tell them

Telemerty would be Awsome or speed runs, and I use it all the time for battery voltage

Are u saying that the telemerty inaccurate? That that include traxxas or is that limited to spectrum?


Its not that telemetry is inherently inaccurate, but it is a matter of maintenance. How many people send their telemetry sets off to be callibrated every season? How many clean and check placement of sensors after every run? Believe me after a season of racing, you are not going to see the same numbers from the same conditions from the same probes and sensors. Then there's speedos which are simply calculated based on a tachymeter on a piece of the driveline, the internal gear ratios and rollout distance. In reality, you need to factor in tire drag, wind drag, tire swell if its a fast car. Then there's temperature probes, which need to be placed exactly where they need to be placed, just alittle off and you get a different reading. Then there's volt and amp (and therefore watt) meters, which are largely safe but depend on callibration to remain accurate over long periods, then there's the added weight of all this crap (admittedly small, but not negligible if you have the whole setup). Then there's the added complexity, more stuff to go wrong. If you rely on your temp probe while racing, and it suddenly stops responding, what's your choice? Pit and see what's wrong? Carry on and hope for the best?

I'm not knocking it in general, it can be useful, and if it didn't exist, you can bet I'd be trying to invent it, but I would never say its 'important' and its accuracy is very subjective, largely based on the diligence of the user.



I would say most guys send there telemerty sensors off just as much as other bashers send of there multimeters and temp checkers off to be calibrated.

Unlike spectrum traxxas use a magnate and sealed pick up, been dirty will not effect and readings. Same goes with the volt sensor.
The temp sender might have to be cleaned but I don't think a dit of dust will effect it to much, biggest thing would be if a Foreign object got under the temp sender but even then it will still read radiant heat

I would have to dissagree about weight, I can't notice a difference in weight from the old TQ receiver compared to the TQi receiver. The sensor weight would be nothing to worry about i wouldent be supprised if the servo wire weighs more than the sensor

The tachometer does factor wind speed and tyre drag??? Those are proportional to drive line RPM and that's what is measures.
I do agree that the rpm sensor cant measure tyre ballooning, but using the optional GPS it can. And with the two reading u coud work out the differences in roll out from low speeds to high speeds.

Care Needs to be taking when checking temps infrared or sensor, placements can effect readings doesn't matter is its telemerty or hand held. Temp sensors can be considered better because it can be placed under some heatsinks and can be placed directly over the exhaust port with out any covers effecting the reading like with infrared hand holds

Why would u stop racing because of a failed sensor? Most guys don't run telemerty so if I was racing and a sensor failed it wouldent bother me, all the other guys seem ok with out them

I think traxxas went all out with there products been user friendly. There telemerty is intended to be used with traxxas vehicles only, it can be modded to fit anything but I must say they have done a lot of R&D to make it all very user friendly, there is a speical mount for the temp sender for electric motors, the rpm sensr mounts are very basic and some models house them under the gear covers and for people that cant solder they even made a click on voltage tap for traxxas battery connectors


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/15/2012 5:06 AM  1 votes
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I have full telemetry on all my Traxxas models and love it. I would never get rid of it.

In my opinion it really adds to the coolness factor too. Think of how it looks to someone whos never been into R/C when you show them you have gauges on your controller just like a real car lol.

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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/15/2012 10:55 AM   
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Finally someone els with first hand experance lol, I can't believe that there are not more guys running the TQi...


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RE: What Telemetry features would you like to see? - 12/17/2012 4:19 PM   
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How cool is the TQI without the I-phone? I dont own an apple product, so I have no interest in the TQI.

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