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1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 1:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am thinking og getting my first plane.. play around w/ heli's. is this a good starter?

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 2:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is 100% Absolutely Positively The best trainer out there.
It is designed and supported by a great company that WANTS your continued business.
Any hobby shop worth a darn will have parts for it. Mainly gearboxes and props will be all you need.

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 3:51 AM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 4:06 AM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 3:12 PM   
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It depends...
If you are on your own ...Yes! But if you take this more serious and join a club and see it as a live long hobby (Which it is)...get a bigger glow powered plane that stand winds better and is more durable.
Kyosho Calmato is a good choice powered by a either an OS .40 LA or .46 LA.


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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 6:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you wanna fly 4 channel learn on 4 channel....join a club get an LT-40 from Sig...get an instructor and learn on a buddy box....that way you won't be buying gear boxes and props, instead you'll go home with your airplane intact.....good luck

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 7:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's the plane my grandson and his buddy are flying. I was very impressed with it both in flight and how well it takes a beating. I saw the plane hit something that would have destroyed any normal trainer and the plane was picked up, dusted off and straightened out for the next flight.
I do agree that if you are wanting to get into RC planes you should get out to a club with an instructor and learn to fly with something a bit more sophisticated. Most club instructors have there own trainer and buddy box so there is nothing for the student to buy then there own glow fuel. I tell my students what type to buy for my trainer. One gallon of fuel on sale is $15.00 so it's cheaper to learn to fly my plane then buying a foam 3 channel from ebay.
My grandson will be 6 in a few days but has been flying for years. I'm building him something a bit more advanced then that Cub but it's a good plane to learn with if your going to be self taught.

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/15/2012 11:22 PM   
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Great thank you for your input I am leaning toward this plane


Good luck.

I'd go with anything but the HZ Supercub if you want to not loose your investment.

The HZ Cub will not handle winds very well ( I've seen all too many of them not able to return to our airfield which averages 6 mph wind speeds) and it's 3 channel setup is not condusive to actually learning how to fly RC planes.

You'll have to learn all over again when you move to standard aileron set up planes.

The other suggestions are much better, but of course the best suggestion of all is to find a club first and see what they use/recommend for training.



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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/16/2012 10:04 PM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/16/2012 10:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow I double checked it is a 3ch .I thought it was 4ch.
I was also thinking of the eflite aprentice I know thats 4ch

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/16/2012 10:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The " Apprentice " is a very good trainer and can stand some pretty good winds if you want. It will also do a lot of aerobatics when set up to do them.

I have 5 students flying them right now and they are all having a ball, it's a Great trainer, and parts are available if needed. If you can get an instructor ( join a club ) that's the best way to go, you can't know how much money you can save by getting help. I kid my students by saying something like " well that save was number 345 " . Can you even think about how much you could have spent if something like that was a fact. ( sometimes it is ) ENJOY !!! RED

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 12:24 AM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 1:03 AM   
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Great thank you for your input I am leaning toward this plane


Good luck.

I'd go with anything but the HZ Supercub if you want to not loose your investment.

The HZ Cub will not handle winds very well ( I've seen all too many of them not able to return to our airfield which averages 6 mph wind speeds) and it's 3 channel setup is not condusive to actually learning how to fly RC planes.

You'll have to learn all over again when you move to standard aileron set up planes.

The other suggestions are much better, but of course the best suggestion of all is to find a club first and see what they use/recommend for training.



They both handled the 8 MPH steady cross wind we had all week way better then my AeroWorks Extra 260E. They will put up with a hard hit a bunch better too. I still build and fly three channel planes for myself and friends and if someone wants to go self taught then this Cub is a pretty good choice. I teach with a 60 size glow powered 4 channel trainer though and feel if you really want to learn RC flight it's a much better choice.

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 1:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gray...you have to admit that self taught is not the best way to go...can it be done yes it can....I tried self taught didn't go so well.....it was 20 years later before I finally learned.
besides that friends don't let friends fly electric.....kinda like ridin a moped kinda thing....... Just kidin

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 3:42 AM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 3:58 PM   
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Gray...you have to admit that self taught is not the best way to go...can it be done yes it can....I tried self taught didn't go so well.....it was 20 years later before I finally learned.
besides that friends don't let friends fly electric.....kinda like ridin a moped kinda thing....... Just kidin

100% correct, I have never told anyone to ever go it alone and I have never told anyone to go three channel or electric. I mentioned this to my son when we were getting the kids planes ready for the day. As he pointed out to me though was he was able to get the complete plane and all the gear needed to fly it for under $200.00. He was also able to get the grand kid to solo it on that stupid hill in no time.
I had taken this grand son out once with my trainer before he was 4 and with the buddy box, flight #1 I had to take it a few times, after that all I did was take off and land for him. I have taken my other garndsons out and they are older but neither of them could get it? I think the difference is there fathers. The oldest boys dad does nothing with them and the youngest boys dad does everything with them and anything RC is a big part of there life.
Fast Back, I have never told a student they couldn't fly in the wind. I had a 12 year old student that asked why the other pilots would pull up and park then just watch us fly, then turn around and leave. All I could say was maybe they had something else to do?
Over Thanksgiving it was a steady 8 MPH and the planes got kicked around some but the two boys, 5 & 13 decided it just made flying more fun. I never said anything but getting my 17 ounce Extra down was a real thrill. Even my sons 90 Chopper was getting kicked around once it got 20 or 30 feet up but I think it was more the hill we were on then the wind speed. We flew everyday before lunch. Couldn't get the crew up and moving before the wind came up!!

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 4:48 PM   
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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 5:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The super cub is a throw away plane that you will quickly outgrow and quite possibly get frustrated with from the beginning.
As already mentioned I also recommend the Apprentice as an electric trainer or the Alpha 40 electric. These are planes that will stay with you as you learn and become a better pilot.  An LT-40 is an excellent choice as well for a glow powered plane.
Spend a little more upfront and get a bigger ,better plane and you won't be disappointed.


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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 6:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Poppycock. The HZ Super cub is hardly a throw away plane. I have one I have flown now for 10 months and it is still in great shape, never having been crashed. It is a very VIABLE 3 channel trainer for someone "going it alone." Man, some of you guys should come into the 21st century already. BTW - I flew my HZ Super Cub in 12 mph winds yesterday here in SoCal; no problems at all. It flew just as well as my TH Corsair, PZ T-28 Trojan and AXN Floater Jet. Some of you almost make it sound like leaning to fly on your own is not at all possible. LOL!!!

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 7:09 PM   
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They both handled the 8 MPH steady cross wind we had all week way better then my AeroWorks Extra 260E. They will put up with a hard hit a bunch better too. I still build and fly three channel planes for myself and friends and if someone wants to go self taught then this Cub is a pretty good choice.



I have to disagree.

I've seen far too many Supercubs not able to make it back to our airfield, after the flyer has taken it up in 5-6mph winds.

Like most foamies, they don't do well with dings and dents. The manufacturer(s) love to tout that they are "easy to repair" when this is not true.

If YOU ARE LUCKY and get a CLEAN break you can easily glue the broken parts together, but that happens less than 40% of the time when there is a crash.

Usually the novice pilot goes off chasing little beads of foam and broken bits and discovers that they end up with a "franken" plane. Novices are very hard on their planes.

There are too many people who buy into the marketing cool-aid.

Yes they ARE "throw away planes". A good half dozen appear in our field trash cans each season to prove the point.


The HZ Supercub lacks ailerons, tends to nose over on landings, is not self righting, does poorly in winds, etc. etc. etc.


If you must do foam, anything that is a four channel clone of the basic Multiplex EasyStar is a better choice than the Cub.

The Easystar & clones can land itself without damage hands off.

Heck the Apprentice is a better choice too.


BTW: I instruct novices in light winds all the time.

If we couldn't do so they would be grounded for most of the year with no stick time.

All quickly adapt and become pretty good pilots.












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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 7:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is the issue of swallowing all of the marketing hype . Many club members including me did recommend the super cub but after helping newbies fly it ,quickly changed their minds. Put that new pilot on a decades old design be it electric or glow they had a better experience and stayed with the hobby compared to the ones who struggled with the super cub. The 21'st century is great and filled with good advancements in this hobby but it's filled with a lot of junk too !


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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 8:19 PM   
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Many club members including me did recommend the super cub but after helping newbies fly it ,quickly changed their minds. Put that new pilot on a decades old design be it electric or glow they had a better experience and stayed with the hobby compared to the ones who struggled with the super cub.



Yup same here.

I had people showing up with the Cub, and it quickly became obvious that it is not what it was made out to be.



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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/17/2012 9:47 PM   
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http://www.hobbico.com/airplanes/hcaa18.html

The ad says it only takes 20 minutes to get the plane ready to fly. That can't be right.

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/18/2012 12:06 AM   
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Great pictures Grey.......That is some Heli you got there. I am no where near flying one of them.

That's my son and one of his choppers. It just got out of the shop after completely being gone through then sent off as a Xmas gift to his brother in law. I couldn't fly one of those things if my life depended on it. My son has 7 of those things lined up out in his shop. Notice the steel stand in the photos. My grandson missed the runway and hit that stand dead on with his super cub. Just picked it up, straightened out the wing and he was told to take it up again and land it correctly. His dad had just showed him how he brings it in just over the top of the runway where the hill drops then sets it down. I was doing that and kept getting hit with the ground effect. I was better able to land my plane in a harrier then trying to get it over that hump.
I'm thinking perhaps the super cub just flies better for some people then others? After all, a 5 year old doesn't have the fear factor or care about the cost like an adult? Just a thought?
I would never say this is a great trainer but it has worked out well for my gang. They like the self taught thing?

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RE: 1st plane thoughts - 12/18/2012 12:14 AM   
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