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intro to turbines - 12/15/2012 10:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines. I deploy in January and when I come back I would like to get my fingers into the turbine world. What I need from you folks is helpful info/tips so my entry into turbines is as smooth as possible. I realize there's a crap load of info here on rcu but, its spread out everywhere. So any info that is posted here on my thread will help me minimize the time needed to research.

So here's what I would like to happen....I would like to get a good jet that's easy to fly and somewhat forgiving. I have seen folks putting a turbine on falcon 120's and for me that's an option of course, but would also like to know of other candidates for a first jet. Would also like helpful info on setting the engine up. Along with any other " this and that's ". What airframes or companies to stay away from, radio gear, servos. And as all of you know the list goes on and on.

I want to mention that I work on the chinook helicopter in the army so turbines aren't a complete strange thing to me. What I'm saying there is......I'm not an idiot. So you don't have to speak to me as a first grader....maybe a freshman college student.

Thanks for the help guys!!!!

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/15/2012 11:06 PM   
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I am assuming you're in or near Killeen? Your best resource is going to be the local people - see what they're flying, what you like and a balance between your interests/budget for the best way in. The Austin and DFW group is pretty active and we often meet in Waco to fly. I have a club trainer that I have given many people their first ride on. As far as equip, you'll get a million replies to all that - depending on your budget and previous R/C experience I would basically recommend one of two paths in. If you're looking for the most bang for the buck, right now it looks like the tornado is the ticket.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/15/2012 11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the reply smitty....I'm actually in el paso, and I haven't seen a lot of people fly turbines out here in el paso. Yet alone flying at all. That's a great suggestion and I would have done that but, the jet guys just don't seem to be around here.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 2:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		What are some links to jet aircraft manufacturers? And links to read into the turbines? I downloaded a manual of a wrenn 75 and I'm sure there's good info there but I think it would be good to read more.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 3:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jet central has downloads on there engines and i think jetcat does to.as for planes the tornado or shockjet would be
Good starter jets

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 3:30 AM   
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Thanks for the reply smitty....I'm actually in el paso, and I haven't seen a lot of people fly turbines out here in el paso. Yet alone flying at all. That's a great suggestion and I would have done that but, the jet guys just don't seem to be around here.


I would think the El paso area would have lots of flying sites I was at Fort Bliss back in 1971 and there was lots open desert at that time, I know it has grown a lot
in forty years but it seems that would be a good area for rc flying.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 4:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh certainly...there's 2 different clubs and 3 different sites to fly, but not many people around flying at them. Maybe people don't fly much due to the windy weather. I have checked their clubs websites and the flyers are around but far and few between at the fields flying.

Thanks k12, I downloaded a few manuals. Hope my venture into jets goes smooth. Guess it just takes doing some reading and research. No problem there as I will have time to read and research while deployed.

Thanks guys. I appreciate it.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 5:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be cool if you could go to a jet meet sometime. That's what really did it for me, seeing lots of guys making lots of flights with lots of different jets. It wasn't until I did that then I just jumped right in. This is certainly the right site. If you are not blessed with a local mentor than buying a used, proven jet seems like the way to go. To me.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 9:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		go for a boomerang sprint with a wren ss they fly great and very forgiving plus you can do any kind of stunts with them. they are a trainer but you can use it as a every day flyer

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 12:56 PM   
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Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines.

The first question is what experience do you have with RC plane, size, speed & weigh ?

P.S thanks for your service


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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 2:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Hi,

I bought my first jet this year. I bought a Turbinator . This plane is awesome, very easy to fly.

And  my experience before turbine  was just eletric airplanes and a small foam habu

Good luck !!!






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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 3:42 PM   
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Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines.

The first question is what experience do you have with RC plane, size, speed & weigh ?

P.S thanks for your service


I'm experienced...I have been flying a 50cc mx2, along with a 30cc. I have different planes edf. Glow, so on and so on. Fastest plane I have is my phase 3 f-16 moving at 140ish.

Not new to rc, just to turbines.

No thanks needed sir. It's our job.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 3:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went to Florida jets back in 2008 or 2009, and it peaked my interest. I think I'm about ready with my flying experience and financial situation to be able to jump in to turbines..not saying I'm rich but I will be ready to purchase in a few months, and fly when I come back from Afghanistan in Nov of next year.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 3:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am finding out now that you will need to purchase or make a ton of stuff for your jet so starting early will ease the pain of trying to buy everything at once. With your experience and mechanical background it should be a cinch. The challenge is probably the complexity of the systems and the huge speed envelope of a jet will be a new learning curve.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 4:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since you have time to study I would hold off on purchase of engine and radio since the technology is changing fairly rapidly. The airplanes don't change as fast.

I think there is a jet event in Abilene each year and Tucson. I would be surprised if there isn't one or more jet flyers in the El Paso area, if so they will probably read this post and speak up to help you.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 4:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great advice from sid on just holding off on the purchase - technology does change extremely fast in this segment of the hobby. Your experience is more than enough - you'll be about one weekend away from starting a jet colony out there The AMA waiver list only shows one waiver holder out there so when you get ready to take the plunge you can get your stuff ready and take a short road trip or just have a good checklist and you'll be alright. I don't think there is an event in Abilene, they have a pretty short field but there is at least a few pilots there - and also Midland/Odessa. Reading a turbine manual and this forum will get you pretty much up to speed. If you were buying today, I would say either a Tornado or Boomerang model and a 100 class motor for the budget minded, or a Bobcat/Bandit for a little deeper pockets. Job or not, we appreciate your service more than you know

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 5:02 PM   
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Great advice from sid on just holding off on the purchase - technology does change extremely fast in this segment of the hobby. Your experience is more than enough - you'll be about one weekend away from starting a jet colony out there The AMA waiver list only shows one waiver holder out there so when you get ready to take the plunge you can get your stuff ready and take a short road trip or just have a good checklist and you'll be alright. I don't think there is an event in Abilene, they have a pretty short field but there is at least a few pilots there - and also Midland/Odessa. Reading a turbine manual and this forum will get you pretty much up to speed. If you were buying today, I would say either a Tornado or Boomerang model and a 100 class motor for the budget minded, or a Bobcat/Bandit for a little deeper pockets. Job or not, we appreciate your service more than you know


Does the waiver lust show a name or contact info? Or at least which club the person might be with? I know there are two clubs here so knowing which club would help me contact the person with the waiver so I can talk with him.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 5:27 PM   
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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 5:31 PM   
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Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines.

The first question is what experience do you have with RC plane, size, speed & weigh ?

P.S thanks for your service


I'm experienced...I have been flying a 50cc mx2, along with a 30cc. I have different planes edf. Glow, so on and so on. Fastest plane I have is my phase 3 f-16 moving at 140ish.

Not new to rc, just to turbines.

No thanks needed sir. It's our job.




Can't see why you are asking, you seem to know it all.



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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 5:51 PM   
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Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines.

The first question is what experience do you have with RC plane, size, speed & weigh ?

P.S thanks for your service


I'm experienced...I have been flying a 50cc mx2, along with a 30cc. I have different planes edf. Glow, so on and so on. Fastest plane I have is my phase 3 f-16 moving at 140ish.

Not new to rc, just to turbines.

No thanks needed sir. It's our job.




Can't see why you are asking, you seem to know it all.




Do you have something intelligent to ad to this or are you just trying to piss me off sir?

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 8:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great advise from Sid.  I'd start a turbine savings account now.  Stay in touch with the hobby through RCU and the internet while you're away.  Right now I'd say the best bang for the buck is a Falcon 120 or Tornado, but something better may come on the market between now and November.
 
When you get back try to get lined up with an experienced jet guy.  The last thing you should buy is the turbine, and it would be a big help to have the same brand as a few others at your home field, where ever that may be.  You'll need help setting up your plane and programing your transmitter and ECU.
 
I spent some time at Ft. Bliss in 1970.  I'm sure a lot has changed since then.
 
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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 8:35 PM   
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Great advise from Sid.  I'd start a turbine savings account now.  Stay in touch with the hobby through RCU and the internet while you're away.  Right now I'd say the best bang for the buck is a Falcon 120 or Tornado, but something better may come on the market between now and November.
 
When you get back try to get lined up with an experienced jet guy.  The last thing you should buy is the turbine, and it would be a big help to have the same brand as a few others at your home field, where ever that may be.  You'll need help setting up your plane and programing your transmitter and ECU.
 
I spent some time at Ft. Bliss in 1970.  I'm sure a lot has changed since then.
 
Good luck,
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I have only been here at bliss for 8 months, and I realize I need to leave. The flying time here is limited because of all the wind all the time.

And yes I do believe the hard part will be the ecu and the transmitter setup. When I do buy one I'm going to have it setup on a test stand to figure out the wiring, and lines and general use before I even mount it to an airframe and fly.

Thanks Joe.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 9:32 PM   
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Yes I'm new or actually will be new to turbines.

The first question is what experience do you have with RC plane, size, speed & weigh ?

P.S thanks for your service


I'm experienced...I have been flying a 50cc mx2, along with a 30cc. I have different planes edf. Glow, so on and so on. Fastest plane I have is my phase 3 f-16 moving at 140ish.

Not new to rc, just to turbines.

No thanks needed sir. It's our job.


If you like sport looking jets I have just the Jet for you The Ultra Flash is one of the best sport jet out there, slows down very well and lightning speed at full throttle. Second is the hotspot, almost like the ultra flash but cheaper, boomerang is another, limited in speed but its a all tme trainner, after 0ne year flying that thing you will go back to your 30cc . As for turbine engine

One word KINGTECH for the best price with performance.. you can't go wrong

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 9:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kingtech was pointed out to me and I'm going to go with it.. as far as airframe...for my first I want something with simplicity. Something to get the basics down...not interested in retracts and all the bells and whistles. So I'm thinking of getting a falcon 120 and keep the fixed gear on it. Then after some time flying that step up to something more sleek and spotty, maybe even a scale jet.

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RE: intro to turbines - 12/16/2012 10:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you already seen the Esay Jet XL from Joam Matos RC?
www.joaomatosrc.com
I know Barry from Kingtech USA is selling it in USA.
I got mine and it is very impressive. You can make a very good combo with a K 100G.
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