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Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/21/2012 11:56 PM   
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Had a club member pass away and we are trying to find out what the value of a Byron P-38 lightning kit. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 12:21 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 12:23 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 1:01 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 1:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most likely a Yellow Aircraft if it has a "green" fuse. Check to see if it has foam core wings that are already sheeted. If so, then it is a Yellow. If it is bare white foam, then it is a Byron.

They sell for $1100.00 without options. Shipping is not free.

Can you post some pics?

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 2:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Byron never had a P-38. It's either a Burt Baker kit. Which would have a yellowish brown glass fuse. Then Yellow aircraft used his design to make theirs which is as described in earlier post.

Take some pictures and post. Yellows would have a really nice canopy frame etc. Burt Bakers was an early design and the canopy frame is not as nice.

Plus the landing gear from Yellow (if thats what was used) would be alluminum. Robart gear would "USUALLY" be used on the Burt Baker design and would be made of steel struts etc.

I personally think that you wouldn't get as much for the Burt Baker kit. But if it isa Baker design. Yellows stuff fits on it, so that will set a buyer at ease on getting parts.
With out seeing the condition its difficult to help with what it's worth.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 2:30 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 3:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DEVILDOG

Byron never had a P-38. It's either a Burt Baker kit. Which would have a yellowish brown glass fuse. Then Yellow aircraft used his design to make theirs which is as described in earlier post.

Take some pictures and post. Yellows would have a really nice canopy frame etc. Burt Bakers was an early design and the canopy frame is not as nice.

Plus the landing gear from Yellow (if thats what was used) would be alluminum. Robart gear would ''USUALLY'' be used on the Burt Baker design and would be made of steel struts etc.

I personally think that you wouldn't get as much for the Burt Baker kit. But if it isa Baker design. Yellows stuff fits on it, so that will set a buyer at ease on getting parts.
With out seeing the condition its difficult to help with what it's worth.

Good luck
Scott

Byron did in fact have a p-38. however it never went into production . i did see a pic of it a few years back and it's true , they did. it's most likely a yellow like the guys said but there is a small chance that it was is robart


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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 3:18 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 5:08 PM   
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OK the two boxes will be coming over here Sunday morning, they are Byron boxes. I did find out some more information on it. The kit was gotten through George Lue who wrote for model magazines back then and was a friend of his. It was supposed to be finished by the two of them for a magazine review, but the kit was not put into production so the work was not completed, actaully it may not even have been started. I was told there may be the engines as well.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 5:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		sort of hard to put a price on that. To a byron collector it might be worth a lot more than a builder. Tough call I thnk.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 6:34 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/22/2012 11:50 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 1:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		definite collector gold. A smart guy would actually reproduce molds off of it and then put the kit up. I would love to see pics. Wha are the #S , WS, l,WEIGHT,ENGINES ETC

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 1:34 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 1:41 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 3:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a big, full color spread of the Byron prototype in one of my old Scale R/C Modeler magazines. While it is a very cool airplane it was typical Byron in that it was not particularly scale. I would definitely do some market research to see if there would be enough of a market to warrant molding it before going through all the work. Just my .02 cents of course.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 4:13 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 8:43 AM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 12:08 PM   
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WHAT WOULD BE IN IT FOR THE LUCKY GUY sorry for the caps


Haha. It waa said kinda tongue in cheek. Like chad said, byron stuff isnt particularly that scale, and the market is already kind of full with P38's, so not knowing any specifics on the model would make it hard to determine is viability as a sellable model.

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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 3:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very Interesting.

I did not know Byron made a P-38

If it's real, then it's very unique

And like anything very unique, its value on the market is dictated by whatever an interested collector is willing to pay for it.

Then you have a market precedent for the next one (if there is one)

I have a NIB's Byron Hellcat I picked up at an estate sale several years ago.

Judging by the offers I've received, it's market value is less than the original sale price.

But, of course, it was a commonly built and flown model. In its day.

Please show pictures!

Here's the center-frame of my yet-unbuilt Robart-38


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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 6:34 PM   
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I want to thank you for all of your input and interest. To answer all of the questions at once here it goes. The kit is in fact the Byron Originals P-38 and was given to George Lue for a magazine review. The kit is 100% complete, and untouched, with two A&M Sachs engines, scale retracts, hand written assembly instructions, scale wheels and pilot. Most of the stuff was still sealed in the packages.

The kit has been sold to Al , who is on his way here right now from PA to pick it up, should be here shortly. Now should anyone ask what the market value is of a kit like this, all I will say is it sold well north of $2000 . His wife is thrilled, it will help pay off house repairs from Sandy.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 8:03 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 9:06 PM   
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RE: Byron P-38 Lightning - 12/23/2012 10:36 PM   
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