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48" X cat design and build - 12/23/2012 8:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		After designing and building the 38" Xcat for either nitro or eleccy and proving to run and handle with solid performance i thought id build a bigger brother to it for gas
This is the original 38" version 

Hopefully this will perform the same and prove to be a fast,stable design,iv smoothed out some of the lines for more sleak look,just starting on the hatch hoping to have it finished soon






Pic of rough setup,will be powered by Se engine and enough room for exhaust and fuel bag in the sponson 





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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/23/2012 10:53 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/24/2012 3:27 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/24/2012 5:45 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/24/2012 8:21 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/24/2012 9:39 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/24/2012 11:38 PM   
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 12/29/2012 10:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Started on the hatch,still some shaping up to do and add the roof duct,also going to design the air ducts on the rear to allow air to escape aswell just not sure yet which design ill go with


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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/4/2013 7:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Thanks to sponsorship of Millpond models,engine,exhaust maniflold,mounts etc arrived today for the X cat,fitted it up to check clearances,once in FG will have more room round the exhaust but everything fits nicely so far
Also made the hatch opening 2" wider for better access and cleanrance 


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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/5/2013 12:48 AM   
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keep up the good work and I can't wait to see the video of her running.

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/5/2013 5:52 PM   
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ill get vids for defo once finished still loads to do yet though  

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/5/2013 9:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make an option not to run the pipe in the hull. At the moment options are limited. Also that header will make the pipe length a tad long which might hinder performance. Not to mentions the swear words that might come from trying to get the clamps tightened under the deck or getting the waterlines fitted from pipe to side of the boat. Rest looks great.

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/5/2013 10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Cobus
Thanks bud,my only worry is the pipe is slighty too long,i thought about it after trying it in
Problem i got is building it so it complies with the regs of the BMPRS racing that means the exhaust can have no more than 2" exposed so best way is inside the hull,i tried a 105* manifold and set the lenght of pipe roughly where id expect it to be and theres more than 2" exposed
The only thing i did think of was extened the back of the sponsons (but not the ride pads and transom) this way could use different manifold angled downwards to achieve getting the pipe in the sponson that would allow correct/closer distance to tune the pipe  

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 9:35 AM   
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Try number 11,12 or 13 would get the pipe length shorter.

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 11:49 AM   
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Make an option not to run the pipe in the hull. At the moment options are limited. Also that header will make the pipe length a tad long which might hinder performance. Not to mentions the swear words that might come from trying to get the clamps tightened under the deck or getting the waterlines fitted from pipe to side of the boat. Rest looks great.

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Cant run uncovered pipes here at recognised meets.
I do agree though things do look very cramped under that deck,heat buildup could be a problem not to mention difficulty for the builder in accessing things inside there.Boats perfect for electric but for gas i think the hatch is too narrow and too short,you could do with the motor been much further forward to allow dif headers to be used,racers dont want to use deep vee wrap forward headers.
Dont mean to be negative mate but i think if you intend making these available then you might want to rethink things slightly before you go to the trouble of making a mould etc.
On the plus side the hull looks nice.
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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 12:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cheers Cobus

Thanks mart
it looks more cramped than it actually is,there 1/2" framework top and bottom where the exhaust is fits in,i widend the hatch opening 2" and everything fits in nicely,its only the exhaust manifold/tuning the pipe that will be a problem,but looking at them exhaust manifolds cobus posted will solve that problem,the engine is on cg of the design of the hull  so moving it further forward would cause running problems/porpoising
Ill be adding rear vents or louvres to allow heat escape just havnt got that far ahead LOL

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 2:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because you engines so far back it means you cant get the right pipe lengths needed and keep the pipe enclosed,moving it forward would make things much easier.On a cat the cog needs to be arround 34% not sure where your at now.

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 3:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		i wont be changing anything it will work as it is,im gonna order a couple of the Bhhanson manifolds and experiment with those which im sure will work without issues and tune the length of the pipe where it needs to be
i know where the cg needs to be and is set at that
so will see once done and tested on the water where the next move is,its working progress and experimenting,this is only the 2nd gas boat iv designed and built  so i expect teething issues but will work them out

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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 7:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks an Awesome Build Daz... Cant wait to see the Glass version which will have a touch more room in anyway!!!



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RE: 48" X cat design and build - 1/7/2013 7:16 PM   
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RE: 48 - 1/7/2013 8:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		CG O CG where for art thow CG. I have always laughed when someone says I know where the Cg must be. I'v build I think 9 cats for our stock cat class from the same molder and each boats motor is at 32% (stock motor) and if you measure from the transom to the plug center everyone is different. No molder (in my opinion) can lay-up every boat exactly as the previous one unless it is vacuum infused molding. Now when you start playing with different HP motors the CG moves around the 34% but even that is a thumb-suck as I've seen hulls run stock motors at 34% and have the right racing attitude. Mod motor would then sit at near 36%. Having the limited space in front of your motor is a hindrance. But it is your design and if your happy with it keep it as is.

Also 2 cents on the lip the hatch sits on. Many boat makers never make that lip deep enough and as a result the hatch starts warping because it does not have a descent return lip. Insane gen 2 is one of the culprits only a 6mm hatch lip. Looks does not always make it practically better.

Keep it up your boat is going to be great and i wish you all the luck and lots of fun times on the dam.
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RE: 48 - 1/7/2013 10:16 PM   
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Make an option not to run the pipe in the hull. At the moment options are limited. Also that header will make the pipe length a tad long which might hinder performance. Not to mentions the swear words that might come from trying to get the clamps tightened under the deck or getting the waterlines fitted from pipe to side of the boat. Rest looks great.

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Cant run uncovered pipes here at recognised meets.
I do agree though things do look very cramped under that deck,heat buildup could be a problem not to mention difficulty for the builder in accessing things inside there.Boats perfect for electric but for gas i think the hatch is too narrow and too short,you could do with the motor been much further forward to allow dif headers to be used,racers dont want to use deep vee wrap forward headers.
Dont mean to be negative mate but i think if you intend making these available then you might want to rethink things slightly before you go to the trouble of making a mould etc.
On the plus side the hull looks nice.
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This is a great build Daz , if you was thinking about an electric option a twin would be the way to go with this size hull you would need a much bigger hatch the motors or the batterys would need to go in the sponsons it would be very cramped to work with that size hatch even with a single electric you would have large batterys to fit in the sponsons , also if the hatch was square at the front you could have wider spaced docking pins with just locks at the rear (and for electric easy to tape up )

for myself access is is very important when looking for a new hull please dont think its negative its just a thought before you get too far with the mold making ,

keep up the good work , phil.

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RE: 48 - 1/8/2013 6:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Appreciate all the comments and concerns etc but it will be staying as it is 
there will be more room once moulded
Phil it will be staying gas powered for now,if i did think about running FE it would twin 56 series motors on HV setup,but too be honest i prefer the longer gas run times over FE

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RE: 48 - 1/29/2013 7:32 PM   
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finally finished all the construction now next job is too sand,abit of filling and get it ready for spraycoat







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RE: 48 - 2/6/2013 8:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice build. How long did it take you to get to the first pic you posted? Your wood work looks very good and limited glue/bondo so far. What type of wood did you use to skin it and any plans of making a mold or is this the actual running hull?

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