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Christmas Switch - 12/26/2012 4:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello, I am a glow pilot who has an interest in electric. I got a Flyzone Switch for Christmas. I have no electric experience. I've been flying glow since I was nine, and I am a teenager. Does anyone have advice or tips about the Switch? Tips on flying electrics are welcome as well. Thanks, and have a great day.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/26/2012 12:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome to RCU. I guess to buy a extra (cheaper) battery and at least a cheap 50 watt charger after a while. Read the manual, it is good source. You'll love the switch (TWICE)

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/26/2012 6:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got the TxR, so it came with a balance charger and two chords.(wall and car) I also got a second battery. Is there a balance charger that will charge my 1800 mAh battery in less than two and a half hours? Also does this plane have any bad habits, or major differences than flying a glow plane? Such as faster reaction times, or have you heard about any problems with the anylink?

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/26/2012 10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a pretty comprehensive guide to electric flight right here on this forum:

EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC FLIGHT

It should answer most of your questions.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/26/2012 10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many of the cheap 50 watt chinese clone chargers will do the job in 30 minutes or so. I like to recommend them cuz they're cheap , but many don;t like dealing with cheap stuff from HobbyKing. The cheapest one is the HK X and the best one is probably the accucel 6. $17 or $23

I've heard a couple of stray reports on anylink troubles, but nothing conclusive yet. You'll have no problems with the switch (maybe nose-over in the grass or bending the gear) , and you'll be moving the wing down in no time. Maybe is a good idea to set a timer until you KNOW how long it flies. Mine flies 12 minutes with an OLD tired 3sx3000 pack.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 5:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Does any of those cheaper chargers charge multiple battery's at a time? Cuz that would be convenient. What types of problems have you heard? We're they using certain radios?



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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not really except that remember that when you test things, make sure you take the prop off. Electric props start instantly when the throttle stick is moved. You could also install an on/off switch too.

I fly two of my lanes with the AnyLink..............no problems whatsoever.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		My dad made that mistake, but I held it. somehow the throttle was reversed, but I held it and he reversed it. How would you install the switch? A
 switch sounds like a fantastic idea. 





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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The difference between flying electric and glow is the torque from the electric motor is immediate as opposed to the glow engine. Also be aware the electric is always HOT so as mentioned always remove the prop when doing any work or testing  and when at the field make sure the plane is secure (on a flight table) when connecting the battery and arming it.
I've heard good and bad about the switch but you already have it so just enjoy it.
As far as a charger you can look at any of the first three here as an example plus they sell very good lipos for a decent price:
www.valuehobby.com/power-systems/chargers.html

Here is a charge board that will allow up to 6 same size batteries to be charged at once:
www.valuehobby.com/accessories/charge-discharge-wires/parallel-charging-board-deans.html

I don't know what connector the swift uses but you may have to change the planes ESC and the battery you have to Deans connectors if you go the abouve route. 



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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		 The Anylink isn't alive till you talk to it, in other words till you go open throttle then back down to nothing before the engine is alive with your stick. As of battery's that isn't my problem a charger is a minor problem for me. The charger that came with the plane takes two and a half hours, and I would like to get a quicker charge so I can spend more time flying and less time charging. I would like the charger to not cost $50+ so I can not blow all my money from Christmas on a charger.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		To connect a safety or arming switch to the ESC you would need to locate the wire coming from the ESC (speed control) that connects to the receiver. It will have 3 colored wires either brown/red/orange or black/red/white. You will want to cut either the orange or white lead and insert (solder) the switch between the cut wires. Obviously you will have to extend the wires if you want to switch mounted on the outside of the plane. What this will do is when the switch is off there will be no signal coming from the receiver when you plug the battery in and the ESC will not arm. After the battery is connected you can turn the switch on and the ESC will then arm the motor.


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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		 ESC arms the motor but you have to tell the ESC you want to arm the motor. The on/off switch would only be used to turn off the battery while I carry it back from runway, so I don't have a fully armed plane in my hands.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You will need a switch capable of handling 30-40 amps and it will weigh the plane down if you want to do that !
The way I outlined above requires a simple low amp lightweight switch you would find on a glow engine plane and it will disarm  and arm the motor.


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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 6:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I want a switch so I can turn off the battery so I can turn off my transmitter, not disarm the motor.

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 10:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		If that's what you want  then you need to get a 30- 40 amp rated switch similar to this:

www.ebay.com/itm/Rebco-Toggle-Switch-With-Rubber-Cover-30-Amp-Each-160-1470-/390518736081

and cut the red wire between the connector and the esc and wire it in.

You can also use a Deans connector and plug and make an switch using those as well.
You really don't need either of these on a small plane like this. The signal switch would suffice.



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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 10:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay thanks for the helpful advice. I will try to find one to make this plane work for me. Happy flying!

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is what you are looking for. It is called ArmSafe and it is specifically made for electric RC planes. Many of the guys I fly with use them on their electrics. It allows you to have the battery plugged into the motor but without any power to the motor until you "arm" the system.

http://www.sharprc.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=43&osCsid=h471f64pkat6kjihp1cavvl9t4

Here is the installation PDF

http://www.sharprc.com/literature/ArmSafe-Brochure.pdf

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 11:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which one do I want? The link you attached had 6 options. Would I be able to turn the plane off and my transmitter and not have the motor go haywire? Muy dad made that mistake haha, it was really scary. Will that interfere with the Anylink system?



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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/27/2012 11:39 PM   
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Which one do I want? The link you attached had 6 options. Would I be able to turn the plane off and my transmitter and not have the motor go haywire? Muy dad made that mistake haha, it was really scary. Will that interfere with the Anylink system?




The 3 across the top of the link are spare parts so to speak. The 3 across the bottom are the complete kits, you will want the full kit, with the wire guage based on the amps your motor uses: see page 2 of the PDF

Which one do you need? I have no idea but if you call them with your plane information I am sure they can tell you.

Basically, the ArmSafe completes the circuit and allows your planes motor to receive power. With the arming plug removed, the circuit is open, or not complete, so there is no way for anything to happen. No power is sent to the motor. You can have the battery connected, your tansmitter on, and nothing happens because no power is provided. Read the PDF as it pretty much explains everything you need to know.




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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you use this product? What sized motor and battery do you use if you do use it. The switch uses a super tiger .10 with a 1800 MaH battery. If you have a similar set up what one did you get?

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only use an arming switch on my larger electrics, 90-120 size and up running 10-12 + cells as they can be very dangerous when left armed. Everything below that size  I don't use any arming switch, I just power the transmitter on, plug in the battery in the plane, wait for it to arm and go fly. When it comes in just pop the hatch and disconnect the battery in the plane.
I make mine using a female Deans in the plane and a male with a shunt as the "plug" . Similar to what is sold on that site but it only cost a few dollars to make you own.
In my opinion you don't need it on small planes like the one you have.


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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 12:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not aware of a system that will safely let you shut down the transmitter while the plane is still on/armed. 

Maybe best to do the 'old-school' way:
To fly, turn the tx on, then plug in the plane battery. 
When done flying, remove the plane  battery, then turn off the tx. 
You'll notice the electric gurus don't rely on add-ons (which btw may fail), they quietly go about their business in a proven, safe, simple manner. I'm never in a rush to turn something on or off, it can wait til I'm clear and can do things properly. 

It's unusual for Lipos to take 2.5 hrs to charge, even when balancing. Lipos don't need to be balanced each cycle, every 3rd or 4th is fine. This will speed up your charging quite a bit. 


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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		This plane has a screw on canopy , which is why I want a switch or something to disarm so so I'm not working on a live plane. Also I think it would just be easier to be able to leave the battery in travel to the feild, switch everything in and fly. Okay, does anyone know of any lower market chargers that will charge multiple batteries, and charge a 1800 MaH battery in less than 2 1/2 hours?

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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 2:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the charger is at all capable, it will charge a Lipo in a little over an hour, usually under 1:30. That's a 1C charge. Some of the newer, costlier batteries can take a 3C-5C charge, which will get your charge time down to 15-20 minutes. 
If your battery will only take a 1C charge, as most do, a $200 charger won't make any difference in the time it takes to charge. Your best bet is to buy 4 or 5 batteries and maybe a charger that can do two simultaneously. I use a Polycharge 4 by Electrifly, does 4 at once, about $100 5 yrs ago. 


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RE: Christmas Switch - 12/28/2012 2:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		As of right how I'm just using the balance charger that came with the plane but it only has one input is it takes forever. I have two battery's and it's takes 5 hours to do both. 100 is a little pricey and it could've gone up, ill have to do some research. If you have any good ideas on a charger let me know cuz I need one.

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