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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400 Putting together an ARF straight-out-of-the-box (without reinforcing the shoddy workmanship) adds a whole new level of excitement to flying. ARF's add an interesting and fun 'factor' to the hobby... 1 When will it crash? 2 Will it come apart in the sky during a loop, a turn, or just during straight and level flight? 3 How many flights will the owner get? One? Two? Four? 4 What will fall off and cause the crash? 5 How many more ARF's can this guy afford? Take bets with your friends!

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ORIGINAL: eddieC

OD, what is it? Flying Machine, just guessing. 

Greets from Jackson, where I 'went to school behind prison walls'. Lol. 

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ORIGINAL: eddieC I enjoyed the original thread, TBH didn't really see the reasons given for closing it down, so thought I'd resurrect it. Please play nice now, or it will meet the same demise as its predecessor. And stay on topic..., Oh, a hangar is for airplanes. Hangers are for clothes.

ARFs are sort of a necessary evil IMO, and I admit to owning a few. In fact, two of my favorite planes are ARFs - Extreme Flight profile 3D birds, an Edge 540 and a Chinn Yak. The Yak was briefly available as a kit, so the ARF was my only realistic option. I would prefer to build though.

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ORIGINAL: RCKen In most cases a thread is closed because I feel that the members have no intentions of abiding by the rules of RCU and playing nicely. That was the case when I closed down the original thread on this subject. [...] For those that were causing all the problems that got the first thread shut down (and you know who you are), I would suggest that you refrain from participating in this thread.... period. You have already proven that you can't discuss the issue at hand without resorting attacking those that you don't agree with. On the other hand if you do choose to participate in this discussion I would suggest that you make sure you follow all of RCU's rules. [...]For everybody else that wants to discuss this issue, I apologize that I have to make statements like this in public. But unfortunately there are a few here that think they are above the rules and can do whatever they want.

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ORIGINAL: essyou35 Let me get this right. He starts the thread again and specifically says that arfs are evil. And you dont see that as the issue of causing the arguments? Thats exactly what the fuss is about, that attitude and I will always rebut it. You can ban me whatever, your are simply taking sides and allowing one group to bash another, and supressing another group from responding.

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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400

Putting together an ARF straight-out-of-the-box (without reinforcing the shoddy workmanship) adds a whole new level of excitement to flying.

ARF's add an interesting and fun 'factor' to the hobby...
When will it crash?
Will it come apart in the sky during a loop, a turn, or just during straight and level flight?
How many flights will the owner get? One? Two? Four?
What will fall off and cause the crash?
How many more ARF's can this guy afford?


Take bets with your friends!

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ORIGINAL: GallopingGhostler
Regarding ARF's being evil, I think you misread the original intent of the author. He was simply stating that in his case, although he prefers to build, he could only find certain planes modeled as ARF's, and this is hence why he purchased ARF's.

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ORIGINAL: jdenney I have seen a few posts here refering to disliking covering.  I could cover all day every day (assuming a well built air frame).  Hooking up a throttle linkage and installing radio gear can give me fits for hours.

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ORIGINAL: RCKen

When I close a thread down I do so for very good reasons. I don't do it on a whim and I don't do it just because I was in a funky mood. There are a variety of reasons why I close down a thread, but you can rest assured that a lot of thought goes into to the decision to close a thread. In most cases a thread is closed because I feel that the members have no intentions of abiding by the rules of RCU and playing nicely. That was the case when I closed down the original thread on this subject. If one or two members of a thread are causing problems I will normally deal with those members and not punish the entire thread. But in this case there were so many people involved with the thread being dragged down the easiest course of action was to close the entire thread.

Normally when I do shut down a thread I don't allow members to restart the thread, for whatever reason. In most cases like this I would simply close down any additional threads started back up. However, in this case I'm going to give this subject one more chance as I think it's a subject to be discusses. But, I'm going to put out a warning here and now, and I would suggest that all those that this affects to heed my warning this time as I am not going to be playing any games.

For those that were causing all the problems that got the first thread shut down (and you know who you are), I would suggest that you refrain from participating in this thread.... period. You have already proven that you can't discuss the issue at hand without resorting attacking those that you don't agree with. On the other hand if you do choose to participate in this discussion I would suggest that you make sure you follow all of RCU's rules. Because if I see any more of the immature childish crap I saw in the last thread you will be placed on Moderated Status and will stay there for a very long time!! Plain and simple. If you can't abide by RCU's rules you will be put into a status where we can watch what you do and say on our forums. I'm tired of seeing the actions of a few that can't seem to work and play well with others spoil a thread for everybody else on RCU. It's your choice about how we proceed from here on out, but please do not think that I won't do what I say here. 

For everybody else that wants to discuss this issue, I apologize that I have to make statements like this in public. But unfortunately there are a few here that think they are above the rules and can do whatever they want. 

Ken

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ORIGINAL: DMichael

Most of my planes over the years I have built - either from kits or in some cases my own plans. In fact I have built planes from my own plans as large as 40% IMAC types. In recent years I have bought more ARFs. I am still building (currently working on two Ziroli planes built from plans - AT-6 and Stearman) but have bought more ARFs recently too. I have to be honest that while i still enjoy building I'm not as eager as I used to be and the builds take longer. I personally go through different phases when I build- 1) excited about the project- this usually goes to the point where it's mostly framed up. This is followed by the second phase that I tend to drag myself through: 2) Where it's framed and progress is slow as you work on all of the details to get it finished -the part where it looks like it's almost done but it isn't even close.... The last phase I get excited again- 3) where it's built and I'm installing the radio gear and engine, balancing, getting it ready for the maiden.

With ARFs I can skip the first and second phase and go right to the last phase (which I enjoy) - I like that.

The other thing is that when kits where just about the only option- I had more anxiety about a potential crash. I knew that if I put it in it I'd have to invest the time an energy to get another back in the air. With the ARF - I care a little less about that and have less anxiety- my time at the field is more enjoyable. I can still get the satisfaction of having built and showing off my planes I built- but having a mix of planes that I built along with ARFs gives me the best of both worlds!

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ORIGINAL: DMichael I personally go through different phases when I build- 1) excited about the project- this usually goes to the point where it's mostly framed up. This is followed by the second phase that I tend to drag myself through: 2) Where it's framed and progress is slow as you work on all of the details to get it finished -the part where it looks like it's almost done but it isn't even close.... The last phase I get excited again- 3) where it's built and I'm installing the radio gear and engine, balancing, getting it ready for the maiden. With ARFs I can skip the first and second phase and go right to the last phase (which I enjoy) - I like that.

The other thing is that when kits where just about the only option- I had more anxiety about a potential crash. I knew that if I put it in it I'd have to invest the time and energy to get another back in the air. With the ARF - I care a little less about that and have less anxiety- my time at the field is more enjoyable. I can still get the satisfaction of having built and showing off my planes I built- but having a mix of planes that I built along with ARFs gives me the best of both worlds!

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ORIGINAL: GallopingGhostler Regarding ARF's being evil, I think you misread the original intent of the author. He was simply stating that in his case, although he prefers to build, he could only find certain planes modeled as ARF's, and this is hence why he purchased ARF's.

+1 My HS Journalism teacher in 1972 emphasized that anything you put into print would be read at an average 8th grade level of comprehension....so keep the message brief and painfully plain and simple. Avoid at all costs ''complex concepts'' that involve self introception.