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1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to compreh... - 12/29/2012 7:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anybody ever figure out just how many combinations are possible on 1/8th buggy & truggy?  There must be hundreds of thousands if not millions, I would argue it's not humanly possible to comprehend them all, one would need a computer algorithm to do so.

Just between pinion teeth# (figure 12 realistically) , spur teeth# (figure 10), motor kv (hard to put a # on this but I'll say 15), and esc settings (figure 11 settings with 10 options per setting= 110? options alone) with just 4 components we have conservatively 198,000 possible combinations!!! This doesn't  include diff oil x3 diffs, shock oils, pistons, spring rate, mounting location, caster, toe, tires, offset etc, etc etc........

After considering all the possible options I come to only 3 rational assumptions, 1- there is very little difference between all these options, 2-most people are making a "shot in the dark" setting up their trucks as it's impossible to comprehend all possible options, or 3 (and most likely) marketing.


So anybody care to put a # on just how many combinations there are??





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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/29/2012 7:59 PM   
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but remember a lot of combinations will be thrown out cause they are impractical.
Also your main thing is you are looking at it as a number game where it isn't its pick one at random, try it out. If it sucks try a different till you find one you like, then modify it to meet your needs

I look at it like this its similar to guessing combinations like on the doors at work there is a possible 10 digits so it would be 10^10 combinations after they change I can usually guess them in under 20 shots as they picked a certain length of numbers, and keep repeating a pattern(seriously I once got it in 2 trys ).

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/29/2012 11:17 PM   
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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 1:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Haddi Taha and Syco you both make very valid points, and I was quasi just throwing that out there for arguements sake. However, as a newb trying to wrap my head around all this stuff, your points help clarify mine. That is a LOT of the options are impractical and will never be used. Which I would argue make acheiving the "ideal"  setup for a given track or bash spot more difficult for everybody including seasoned veterans.

I'll say this though, ran my rc8te on 5s today and WOW!! The thing is nuts! So impressed with how far these "toys" have come in the 25 years I've been out of the hobby.

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 1:16 AM   
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once brushless motors and lipos hit that's when things started changing drastically

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 3:26 AM   
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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 3:27 AM   
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actually till a few years ago not much really changed
once brushless motors and lipos hit that's when things started changing drastically




I haven't been in the hobby that long but I think alot has changed It just seems it was more gradually changing until a few years ago.

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 4:16 AM   
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actually till a few years ago not much really changed
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I haven't been in the hobby that long but I think alot has changed It just seems it was more gradually changing until a few years ago.

Would have to agree, if I strapped a 2200kv mm on 5s in my last car, a boomerang, it would explode, nor could anything I used to own 20 years ago handle or take a fraction of the abuse my new stuff can,  The hobby has come a loooooong way!

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 5:26 AM   
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actually till a few years ago not much really changed
once brushless motors and lipos hit that's when things started changing drastically




I haven't been in the hobby that long but I think alot has changed It just seems it was more gradually changing until a few years ago.

Would have to agree, if I strapped a 2200kv mm on 5s in my last car, a boomerang, it would explode, nor could anything I used to own 20 years ago handle or take a fraction of the abuse my new stuff can,  The hobby has come a loooooong way!

I've been tempted to do a hornet with a 2S with a 4000kv motor
But don't wanna screw up what is a shelf queen as its never seen the ground (didn't buy it as one just I never got around to running it in 2 years since I got it)

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 6:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many of the old electrics can't take the abuse of a modern brushless system simply because they weren't design too.

The future will be more 1/8 brushless buggies and truggies. There are some cheap ones that are inline with 1/10 prices and are more durable like the thunder tiger eb4, thunder tiger st4 and ofna lx2e


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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/30/2012 6:22 PM   
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Many of the old electrics can't take the abuse of a modern brushless system simply because they weren't design too.

The future will be more 1/8 brushless buggies and truggies. There are some cheap ones that are inline with 1/10 prices and are more durable like the thunder tiger eb4, thunder tiger st4 and ofna lx2e


true, and a lot of the converted nitros can't either (look at the bullet heard that has some drive chain issues).
Hell when I converted a savage .21 to brushless 2 mins out I snapped one dogbone, and the rest were twisted and ready to snap.

In a way the brushless craze is also making the nitros stronger as most manufacturers just make one set of parts now.
Good example of this is the savage flux HPI made stronger diffs, and driveshafts that could take brushless power that eventually became standard in the nitro models. So there's less broken parts in the nitros now

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RE: 1/8th buggy/truggy setup options, impossible to com... - 12/31/2012 6:12 AM   
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Many of the old electrics can't take the abuse of a modern brushless system simply because they weren't design too.
 
The future will be more 1/8 brushless buggies and truggies. There are some cheap ones that are inline with 1/10 prices and are more durable like the thunder tiger eb4, thunder tiger st4 and ofna lx2e


true, and a lot of the converted nitros can't either (look at the bullet heard that has some drive chain issues).
Hell when I converted a savage .21 to brushless 2 mins out I snapped one dogbone, and the rest were twisted and ready to snap.

In a way the brushless craze is also making the nitros stronger as most manufacturers just make one set of parts now.
Good example of this is the savage flux HPI made stronger diffs, and driveshafts that could take brushless power that eventually became standard in the nitro models. So there's less broken parts in the nitros now


Nothing worse than a weak drivetrain... even if you drive carefully to avoid issues it will still break itself



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