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Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/5/2013 4:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im looking to purchase a new jet here in the next couple of months and cant decide on what one I should get.. If there was a big price difference it would make the decision easyer but they are close in price.. I started out wanting the T-38 but got a quote on the 1/7 F-18F and they are too close... I was all for the T-38 but with the F-18F close in price I feel like Im getting more jet for price... I have seen the T-38fly and it looks like it flys great.. I haven't seen the new honey comb material F-18F fly so Im interested if it flys the same as the first ones ie jumps off on take off and heavy on landing... The videos of the 1/6 F-18F look like it flys takes off and lands great but that's the bigger one so Im interested to see if the lighter version 1/7 flys the same...

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/5/2013 7:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion: F-18 is like the Honda Civic of jets. Everyone has/had one. T-38 is more interesting because you don't see them very often. Really impossible to compare these two as it comes down to personal preference and they fly very different.

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/5/2013 10:56 PM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 12:11 AM   
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T-38 is more interesting because you don't see them very often


Maybe because they crash on the first flight


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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 12:51 AM   
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T-38 is more interesting because you don't see them very often


Maybe because they crash on the first flight


I was referring to the T-38s in general being rare, but your comment made me LOL! Interesting indeed!

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 12:57 AM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 1:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had two f18f models, both were fun but I would love to try a T38. I have waiting to find a "good " one.
I think it would be a fun plane and it certianly is not like showing up with a Hawk...

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 2:01 AM   
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Very few F-18's out this way on the South/East Coast...unlike CA. Not one F-18 flying in either of the clubs I have been affiliated with right now. Kind of weird since they do fly well.

Either airframe is a good one, IMO.

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 2:02 AM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 3:03 AM   
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Dub,
Very few F-18's out this way on the South/East Coast...unlike CA. Not one F-18 flying in either of the clubs I have been affiliated with right now. Kind of weird since they do fly well.

Either airframe is a good one, IMO.

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 3:08 AM   
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In short, I would not expect much difference in the takeoff performance of their new F18F.

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 3:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FenderBean

Im planning to change that but I will not be back in the south till after my deployment. Moving to New York soon and hope to go back to Savannah after I get back, but will still be about 2 years total.
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Dub,
Very few F-18's out this way on the South/East Coast...unlike CA. Not one F-18 flying in either of the clubs I have been affiliated with right now. Kind of weird since they do fly well.

Either airframe is a good one, IMO.

Rex




@Rex: Interesting that they are not as common in the south. The Hawk is like that on the west coast.

@Fender: By the time you finish the F-14, F-15, and then a F-18, FEJ will release a 1/4 F-18.

@Craig: that is my experience as well. Raf says the F model rotates much better with max flap. My C model was fairly smooth as you stated.


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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 4:06 AM   
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I think the F18F has a habit of leaping off the ground due to its aerodynamic design and the geometry of its landing gear.....they were designed to stick to the deck of a carrier and do so very well, so they are difficult to smoothly ''unstick'' also. I don't think it will matter what manufacturer's F18F you buy it will be similar in that regard. The F18C rotates much more smoothly. I have and fly both. I think Raff will say the same and he too has flown both.

In short, I would not expect much difference in the takeoff performance of their new F18F.


I disagree completely! Have owned and flown the Tam F-18F as well as the FEJ F-18F and NEVER had a problem with them leaping off the ground. Properly CG'd and correct takeoff technique and they rotate smooth as silk. I have also watched EDF Jim fly his newer FEJ Super Hornet at BITW and it didn't leap off the ground on takeoff either.

Tam F-18F SuperHornet video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ph0OSwPbvo&list=FLM8qr9hMEfkJ2JzD3Dvi-Ew&index=31

FEJ 1/7 F-18F video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeCqfZP9H6U&list=FLM8qr9hMEfkJ2JzD3Dvi-Ew&index=2 This is the older heavier version. Newer, lighter version should perform even better.

FEJ 1/7 F-18F on grass: Takeoff at 3:40 perfectly smooth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APBf3fY_p0E&list=FLM8qr9hMEfkJ2JzD3Dvi-Ew

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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 4:39 AM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 6:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I thought about that LOL I dont think the a bigger one would be able to meet the AMA weight, but I wouldn't put it past FEJ to do it .
That being said I would like to see maybe some improvements and larger sizes on their current stuff. Would love to have a 120ish tornado or the new yak in a size like that. Then again after seeing the large hawk, I may have to switch projects.
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ORIGINAL: FenderBean

Im planning to change that but I will not be back in the south till after my deployment. Moving to New York soon and hope to go back to Savannah after I get back, but will still be about 2 years total.
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Dub,
Very few F-18's out this way on the South/East Coast...unlike CA. Not one F-18 flying in either of the clubs I have been affiliated with right now. Kind of weird since they do fly well.

Either airframe is a good one, IMO.

Rex




@Rex: Interesting that they are not as common in the south. The Hawk is like that on the west coast.

@Fender: By the time you finish the F-14, F-15, and then a F-18, FEJ will release a 1/4 F-18.

@Craig: that is my experience as well. Raf says the F model rotates much better with max flap. My C model was fairly smooth as you stated.





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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/6/2013 10:42 PM   
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My opinion: F-18 is like the Honda Civic of jets. Everyone has/had one. T-38 is more interesting because you don't see them very often. Really impossible to compare these two as it comes down to personal preference and they fly very different.



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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/7/2013 3:17 PM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/7/2013 3:19 PM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/7/2013 8:42 PM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/7/2013 9:45 PM   
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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/7/2013 10:09 PM   
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My opinion: F-18 is like the Honda Civic of jets. Everyone has/had one. T-38 is more interesting because you don't see them very often. Really impossible to compare these two as it comes down to personal preference and they fly very different.


OK, I think you have to feel it. What is the right jet for me ? It doesn't matter how many Honda Civic a jet has ;-)



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RE: Skymaster T-38 or FEJ F-18F Cant decide - 1/8/2013 8:52 AM   
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wer wohnt denn da in Obertalhausen?

I just build up a FeiBao T-33 with the new electrric LG and brake.
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Will make some pics if anyone interested.

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